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Our Community / I Had a Midlife Crisis
« Latest by jmnab on Today at 04:45:35 PM »
“How do you know for sure that what has happened to your spouse is indeed a midlife crisis? What makes you believe that?”
I love this question. My answer has definitely evolved. A little of both maybe?

I haven't posted to this forum for a couple of months. I've had over four months to think since my H left, and I wholeheartedly believe NPD or some other personality disorder played a role in his behavior.

At first I believed he was just going through MLC due to his age and how emotional he was, and this may still be true to an extent, but due to his devalue and discard behavior and the lack of any sort of remorse/empathy and his will to just erase me from his existence, I believe a large component of his issues could be NPD. I'm no therapist, but have learned quite a bit and the patterns are pretty easy to recognize. The fact is, many of the signs were there from the beginning - they just manifested in a way I couldn't recognize. Unfortunately I ignored them for decades.

Sam Vaknin's videos have been a great resource to me. The episode on "switching" describes in great detail exactly what happened to him after bomb drop and through monster. I was blown away.

The good news for me is that I've healed quite a bit with this realization, and will be divorced in the coming weeks. (My choice, my action)
All this said, I still plan on engaging if anything happens or changes with him. This group has been a great comfort to me during a difficult time.

Thank you for sharing your story.  :)
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Our Community / I Had a Midlife Crisis
« Latest by Happylight on Today at 12:43:44 PM »

When did it start: Mine started shortly before I turned 50. It hit me in an instant, like I just hit a wall. Suddenly I was in a mind that was not mine. Looking back, I think there were signs for several weeks prior, like isolation.

How many years?: I was in it for about 4.5 years, with the first 3 years in the thick of it. Like unable to understand other people's pain and why society frowns on certain behaviors. Certainly, I was doing things I would never have done in my prior life. I spent those years on a journey of getting to know the person that hijacked my mind, the new me I suppose. 


Do you have any idea of when people around you became aware that something was off?  Did you try to hide it from others for a while?  Did you hide it from some people while letting others see the truth?  The same question applies to the end, did it take a while to build new relationships or let others know that things had changed again? 


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The key sentence is that you reported that he is ok with it being all about him. Take that as your starting point in deciding how to deal with the situation. His POV is not realistic on so many levels and if you are dealing with someone not being realistic it allows you to make the adult responsible decisions. His selfishness has the consequence of relinquishing control over the custody arrangement rather than dictating it. It´s not your job to facilitate the scheduling of his time with the Gf. It´s a common MLCer attitude that you should want him to be happy and do whatever to make that happen.

Isn’t it just wild how self centered they are, I have childcare for a Monday night I should of wrote that - it makes no odds whether he does it or not - I just offered it to him as it’s the only day that I see realistically working. But it’s not enough.

He’s still crying infront of the kids, and said to me the other day that my son told him that he’s found the last 3 months the hardest they have ever been (he’s 8) he has AuDHD and has really struggled from the beginning and has been having meltdowns at school after a weekend with him or before in the build up I guess but MLCer didn’t seem to care when introducing the gf and have them stay with him etc - because as you all say - he wants what he wants - then said to me this is all my fault, he will never know how much I hate myself.

When I asked my son and said that it’s really positive that he felt he could tell his dad how he felt - he told me he didn’t say that.. and that he thinks dad is finding it hard etc..

Honestly it is such a up and down thing - I’ve been good and not letting it affect me but this morning those messages did give me the rage. But after I said what I said earlier I cut the convo dead. 🙄
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Our Community / I Had a Midlife Crisis
« Latest by gman242 on Today at 07:14:16 AM »


As a final note, I have the misfortune of knowing two people with NPD, and in my experience, their patterns of behaviour become obvious relatively quickly. Lots of failed relationships (friends, professional, as well as romantic) in their rear view mirror. I personally think it unusual, but not impossible, that someone has a personality disorder that goes undetected by their significant other for decades. JMO.

That's why I've been advocating for looking at your own FOO and attachment issues. I think in a lot of ways, many of us equally created the situation we were in. 

My ex is a covert narcissist, 100%. I don't think it went undetected by me, it's just that it was excused, ignored, rationalized away and in many regards, I was just too immature, naïve and lacked enough experience to see any of it for what it was because of my own FOO issues and attachment style.
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The key sentence is that you reported that he is ok with it being all about him. Take that as your starting point in deciding how to deal with the situation. His POV is not realistic on so many levels and if you are dealing with someone not being realistic it allows you to make the adult responsible decisions. His selfishness has the consequence of relinquishing control over the custody arrangement rather than dictating it. It´s not your job to facilitate the scheduling of his time with the Gf. It´s a common MLCer attitude that you should want him to be happy and do whatever to make that happen.
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Our Community / I Had a Midlife Crisis
« Latest by KayDee on Today at 05:18:47 AM »
Dear MLC50,

Thank you for offering to share your journey, especially as it must have been a very painful period for you. I am happy to read that you have navigated these choppy waters and have come through with a such a positive and giving spirit.


“How do you know for sure that what has happened to your spouse is indeed a midlife crisis? What makes you believe that?”


Because:
  • he pretty much told me so. He said he was broken, that he hated himself, and that he did not enjoy any of the things he used to do.
    he was obviously depressed (and angry) the year previously
    his FOO issues had come to ahead and this was what he was initially angry about
    he wildly swung back and forth, and round and round with his emotions.
    his behaviour has been akin to bi-polar. Madly running, spending etc and then deep depths of despair
    he was never like this at any time in our 25 plus years together

I believe he had a crisis that hit at midlife. A breakdown.

My understanding of narcissism, when it hits the level of NPD, is that it is all about power and control. There is a lot of talk now about covert/inverted narcissists. The mechanisms may be different but the drivers are still the same.  My relationship with my H was never based on power or control, from either of us. Therefore I know he is not a narcissist. But he was brought up by one, and this is a theme I see on this forum a lot.

As a final note, I have the misfortune of knowing two people with NPD, and in my experience, their patterns of behaviour become obvious relatively quickly. Lots of failed relationships (friends, professional, as well as romantic) in their rear view mirror. I personally think it unusual, but not impossible, that someone has a personality disorder that goes undetected by their significant other for decades. JMO.


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Omg I’m literally rolling over with laughter I can ALWAYS rely on you to give me the perspective I need Thankyou for being so awesome as always ❤️
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Ok, so first of all, take 500 wise points for being smart enough to post here before you vent there.
And welcome to your season ticket to the Land of F**kwittery where up is down, and a drama can be created from a teacup. It gets easier. Largely perhaps bc we eventually hand in our ticket although usually don’t get a refund lol.

Now, take a breath….
Take another one while I remind you - bc I know you already know - about some basics.

He wants what he wants when he wants it. (And the reasons a) don’t matter and b)usually involve some version of attempted charm, sadz or blame when he doesn’t get it)

You are no longer obliged to care what he wants beyond your basic legal and sane  adult human obligations. Or indeed listen more than once to any of the blah blah.

You are no longer obliged to care how he feels or place weight on his opinion about anything from your choices to the price of fish. (Beyond same obligations as above)

No is a complete sentence. If you want to be polite, some embroidered superficial version of No is also fine…..No, sorry you feel that way…No, that doesn’t work for me or my personal favourite….having thought about it, I’d prefer not to. You offered him some options; they didn’t work for him and his remaining Monday option doesn’t work for you. (You may find this gets easier the more you find childcare support options that do not require his involvement. Bc until then, it’s a control lever for him. He gets the kids in his legally mandated time full stop. And he doesn’t get any of you at all. Nothing less than a life threatening emergency should change that imho. No chicken pox or your understandable exhaustion should change that. He will be, at best, a pop up Disney Dad. And by leaving two small kids and a pregnant wife, imho the list of things he now gets no vote on or future involvement in is looooong. Ditto tbh you and the list of things in his life unless they affect your kids safety or your bank account. Exotic holidays? Meh. Boils on his head, meh. Has the sadz, meh.

He most probably won’t/doesn’t like it when you say No. or even better when you act No. Hence some spin around charm (flowers ‘from the kids’), self pity (this is so unfair) or rage (you say I can’t come to the house when I please so I’ll tell you are horrible, file for divorce or do some other passive-aggressive nonsense that pops into my mind. Bc….see first point lol. You can expect more of the same bc well, that’s just what these folks do. As you climb off the rollercoaster and lose your fear about his reactions, it gets pretty predictable and can even be quite funny. Say/Do No anyway if that’s what is best for you.

Don’t feel the need to explain, defend or justify your choices. Or indeed try to persuade him to think or act differently. Waste of breath. Bc….see first point. And he does not care what you think, feel or need….me me me is all there is….if he did, he would be behaving differently.

I can’t imagine how overwhelming, and incredibly unfair, it must feel to be the lone adult responsible for three small humans. Or how alone you must feel with it sometimes or how thinly spread. But others here do. And what they will probably say is that, right now, you are also dealing with an additional virtual teenage f**kwit. And that everything - even the really hard things - get easier once you remove the f**kwit element or find ways to severely reduce it. And that others have crafted a way to do solo parenting that are doable and even mostly enjoyable.

So, imho, say No to Mondays unless you are legally obliged (as informed by your lawyer not an MLCer) and then go about your day. Don’t waste your breath or feed the drama by telling him how you feel or trying to persuade him to behave with more consideration. Bc, well, see point one lol. And think of all the infinitely nicer things you could do with that time and energy….go for a walk, call a chum, clean the toilet, watch a video of a cat with a funny face……

And a PS in case it helps. He has filed and that puts you on a different path. Think of your choices now as building a template for how life will work when he is an ex husband rather than a husband.  Even if that isn’t by your choice, it obviously brings different boundaries, expectations and ways of doing things in your life and in your home. Pause a moment when these situations arise and ask yourself ‘is this what I want or think divorce should look like in 5/10 years time? Is this how I want it to work? Or see my role as an ex-wife? If not, don’t do it. Bc you’d prefer not to. Bc it’s the sane healthy choice. And unless you are legally obliged, you don’t have to.
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Our Community / Help me calm down before I lose my $h!te
« Latest by Hollie220423 on Today at 12:43:15 AM »
Omg I feel like I’m Loosing my mind - it’s what should of been our 10 year wedding anniversary this week and to say that my MLC’er behaviour has been confusing is an understatement - but I feel like a bit of a switch has flipped - acceptance I guess.

I was strong about the whole him booking a holiday on his weekend with the kids and going off to Mexico with the Gf, but then I realised that my kids wouldn’t see him for 16 days - my plans have changed so I’ve said he can take them for an overnight  on my weekend before but after I made the point of saying to him he needed to organise childcare for them as I have plans on what should of been his weekend and that in future I think it would be courteous to check with me and me with him if we have plans not just assuming that I’ll pick up the slack as the default parent..

Yesterday I received a message asking to request more access he used to come on a Monday and a Wednesday but when I mentioned he needed to not come into the house anymore he threw his toys out of the pram and stopped coming on a Monday (to help me out)

As I mentioned before I teach dance twice a week in the evening I have a really successful dance school and have done it for 28 years and have done since we met - I work at home because he wanted my job to be more flexible with the kids (hairdresser) so I have a salon at home which is great but means I don’t leave the house - dancing is my only outlet - he maintained he wanted me to give this up as he only wants to come home to me not someone else (took the pressure off him trying to get back on time)

So three out of 5 evenings a week are free for him - he has the kids in the house on a Wednesday as the gf lives to far away.

All the other days apart from a Monday he says are tricky with work but Monday I dance - told him he can have them then but will have to wait until I’m back put them to bed etc - o don’t want to spend another evening with him in the house as a family - it’s hard enough for me on a weds.

He saying that he doesn’t want to give the kids false hope by putting them to bed etc and doesn’t want to do a Monday will give my theory below that I’ll never know how it feels to go a whole week as i don’t have too and its unfair on him and im not doing it.

I had to try so hard to not give it to him - I said to him whilst I understand I feel it’s a bit unfair to make this all about him - I’ve been nothing but compassionate and whilst I don’t understand it must be hard correct but  he chose this life for us all - he chose to leave (no1 held a gun to his head and we were not unhappy for it to come to this)  -  that  me and the kids have felt like we have been thrown out of an aeroplane - and I’ve had to parent them 100% of the time whilst dealing with my emotions and theres - not to forget raising a newborn baby single handedly on my own.!

I don’t understand what more I can do - he has three days to choose from - he then came back and said that I’m unfair and that he feels that its ok for it to all be about him..

Its taking me so much restraint to not go back to him and say all the things he has done and that he still wants me give up my commitments because it doesn’t work for him.

So essentially I think - the Gf doesn’t want him to do Mondays because he will be in our marital home once the kids are asleep and although I’ll be at dancing she won’t know that for certain. I just don’t see why I should give him another day and spend more time in the house with him and the kids that’s what is confusing for them - me however being out of the house carrying on with my normal life isn’t confusing for them he is just doing the job that their nanny usually would!

Grrrrr please help me from stopping to send him a full on rage message
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Our Community / I Had a Midlife Crisis
« Latest by Treasur on Today at 12:04:18 AM »
To your original question….

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“How do you know for sure that what has happened to your spouse is indeed a midlife crisis? What makes you believe that?”

Well, my most honest answer is I don’t know bc I can’t know what is in someone else’s head. And now, years later, it matters less than I thought it did at the time. So I don’t know but I think being able to call it something like MLC helped me feel that I had not gone insane and that what was happening felt extreme and weird bc it WAS extreme and weird.

At the time, I thought so because he became virtually unrecognisable. Just not normal for him. And then he became increasingly just not normal for normal people. Perhaps unusually here, to my knowledge he was under psychiatric care for a couple of years, so objectively speaking, something had gone seriously awry in him and people other than me with no skin in the game evidentally thought so. But I don’t know if it was MLC per se or something else or indeed if he got ‘better’. And neither a label or what happened to him down the road changed any of the practical reality of the effect on me, my life and my well-being.

Out of interest, if you are happy to share, a lot of folks here might be interested in your perspective now and then on those who were significantly affected by your MLC behaviour. Making some kind of sense of that tends to be a rather gnawing issue for most LBS.

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