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Our Community / Alvin's 8th: I'm the Bad Guy
« Latest by AlvinTheMaker on Today at 09:29:24 AM »
I have read some theories that hormonal changes probably do play into MLC for both men and women.  Men's levels tend to drop more slowly over time--I wonder if this means that they slide into MLC more slowly as well?  I don't have the answers for sure, just curious about the potential biological contributors to the "storm."

I have no doubt of hormones being a contributing factor. It is frightening how many "fell out of love for spouse/kids overnight" stories are on the site above even in their public section.

Of course not everyone in menopause decides to divorce and go grazy, which I think links to FOO. You either have or don't have the tools to navigate dark waters without totally nuking family around you.

As for men....I think it is highly individual, just like  with women. Some go slow and easy, some fast and hard, some crash and burn.

All in all would be interesting to know if any MLCr has started HRT treatment and what the effects were. At least I don't recall reading a single storyline here or other mlc forums where that would have been explored.

Alvin
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Our Community / 25 years and my wife walked out the door
« Latest by Treasur on Today at 08:14:53 AM »
Glad the walk helped.
Have you already taken legal advice about what a legal separation means in practice and requires from you? If not, that’s probably a priority. Getting the info gives you time to think about it and consider how you want to tackle that.
I’m sorry bc I know it wasn’t what you wanted to hear but you may find that it breaks the sense of limbo too. 

I wouldn’t ascribe too much into her tears or hugs tbh. MLC or not, these kinds of conversations are emotional for everyone involved to some degree, right? Keep reminding yourself to focus on her feet not her mouth.
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Our Community / 25 years and my wife walked out the door
« Latest by Atari25 on Today at 06:55:45 AM »
I’m sorry for that shot of anxiety. Horrible feeling, isn’t it? Never felt anything like it before BD but fortunately it’s a long time since I’ve felt anything like it since too.

Try to do something, ideally physical, to get the anxiety out of your body. Go for a run, a long walk, dance in the kitchen - doesn’t matter, just give your system a way to vent it. As my gran used to say, better out than in!

I took your advice and went for a walk in the mall before I came home to see her. It's definitely helped a little. Good idea!

So as expected she dropped the legal separation bomb.

She said this is what she wanted but I asked her if this is really what she wanted and that she was happy. She then said 3 times "I'm trying to be happy". A lot of strange things came out of her but that struck me,  She did expand on this thought and said "I'm happy sometimes and not happy other times - I'm trying". I said again she should go see a therapist - maybe I shouldn't have but she has a lot unresolved issues from childhood and beyond. A lot of tears.  She actually didn't have a ton to say, only that this separation "had been a long time coming" and that "she was sorry". I told her to do what she thought she had to and that while the door is open, she had to want to come back and I know she is not there.

When she left she was in full tears and she gave me the tightest hug I have had in years. I was really taken back. So hard to read her and so much confusion in her thoughts. I am 99% sure her single friends are prompting her to push forward with legal separation - then divorce but there is nothing I can do to stop it all if it's coming. You have to wait one year before filing for divorce in Canada. I just said ok to everything... I guess I now wait for the next shoe to drop.
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Our Community / Everything hurts.
« Latest by FrenchHusband on Today at 06:00:15 AM »
Quote from: Treasur
And tbh, if you were to believe what all of the MLC folks have said as they blew up our lives and ran out of the door, you are dealing with the most horrible, worthless, controlling, burdensome and plain mean set of LBS humans here. Awful people. Terrible partners. Not worth spit.  :) including me.  :)

Oh yes thanks for these words. I almost forgot it, here in this forum we are the worse gathering of villains that the world has ever seen, all of us are second cousins to the devil , and LBS actually means Loathsome Brothers & Sisters 8).
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Our Community / What am I dealing with here?
« Latest by OffRoad on April 17, 2024, 09:21:55 PM »
So, I got to a point where I just did all the divorce work myself. I had the advantage of having worked for a divorce attorney for 3 years, but in my case he didn't want to spend a small fortune either. I laid it all out on a spreadsheet, said you take this and I'll take that and it's about even and he agreed. I made him file first and I responded. Hardest part was getting his financials because he thought he was hiding money from me, but I knew it was there and preemptively  balanced the other bank accounts and he either didn't notice or was OK with it. Since mine spent 20000+ in one month, I wanted the finances settled. I was more than fair.

My advice? Don't wait. Get your financials settled and make her have to pay her attorney from her share. If your attorney is decent, they will do their best to speed up what they can. If you are ready for it, sometimes it's good to be done.

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Our Community / Re: What am I dealing with here?
« Latest by Ready2Transform on April 17, 2024, 08:38:44 PM »
Totally agree with Marvin. I spent years "studying" because, in hindsight, that was an active way for me to continue to participate in this process. But especially once you're going through the legal end of all of this, you absolutely have to take a position that is not about MLC. It puts you at a huge disadvantage in mitigating the damages and preparing yourself for the rest of your life (ask me how I know!  ;) ). To answer your question as to whether you have a right to stop the financial bleeding, that's something you and your attorney need to discuss. Sometimes instead of the tug-of-war of maintaining the living situation and status quo, we have to open our minds to what choices would we have if we were participating in our own best interests. There is no outcome that will be the total end of the world, so long as you believe that you will be able to rebuild your life and be happy again, no matter what. The thing that sucks the most has already happened, for all of us. Embrace the change.
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Our Community / Alvin's 8th: I'm the Bad Guy
« Latest by Happylight on April 17, 2024, 11:45:23 AM »
I have read some theories that hormonal changes probably do play into MLC for both men and women.  Men's levels tend to drop more slowly over time--I wonder if this means that they slide into MLC more slowly as well?  I don't have the answers for sure, just curious about the potential biological contributors to the "storm."
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Our Community / Everything hurts.
« Latest by Happylight on April 17, 2024, 11:41:09 AM »
I am so sorry you are going through this.  For my own experience, I missed the beginning signs and attributed them to stress and anger over what was happening with Covid.  I do wonder how that time period played into people's lives as a contributor or a mask. 
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Our Community / Re: What am I dealing with here?
« Latest by marvin4242 on April 17, 2024, 10:03:14 AM »
I am sorry you are dealing with this. My take has been, for a long time, that this is not something one can "understand." There are disorders that are, ironically, rather orderly and very very predictable. This one is one where there are so many conflicts and so much flux that the person is not stable and really has no discernible pattern or predictable rules. My analogy has been like a kaleidoscope the slightest rotation causes a massive change in landscape.

We by nature try to understand and find the pattern, and that only adds to the confusion, to hanging on, and more pain. We project how WE would behave onto something that doesn't lend itself to it. I believe that is why some hang on way past the expiry date, because the confusion of not understanding, the projection of thinking it can't be real, all lends to a kind of paralysis.
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Our Community / What am I dealing with here?
« Latest by WHY on April 17, 2024, 09:17:22 AM »
I’m living this nightmare right now.  She filed over a year ago.  But won’t leave.  We’ve spent ~$60k in legal fees and are no where close to this thing being resolved. 

She won’t stop either.  She can’t stop herself.  It’s war war war with the attorneys.  But she won’t actually leave. 

Like Ursa said.  She field a motion to request documents that I was supposed to share (more legal fees losses involving the lawyers). But we’re supposed to share the docs at the same time.  And I asked if she has done hers (keep in mind that was 10 months post filing, simple documents). Alas, she had not.  So while my docs had been ready since a month after filing.  Hers docs were not after 10 months.  And she filed a motion to force me to share docs when hers weren’t ready?   The docs ended up being exchanged a month or two later once she prepared hers.  Another $2k down the toilet.   I’m sorry but this behavior is absolutely insane. 

One theory is perhaps the legal battle is feeding her narcissistic supply, seeing as though she’s not getting any of it from me.  This could be her way of getting that sweet supply. 

Everyone here keeps talking about protecting themselves financially.   How am I supposed to do that when the losses are legal fees, where it’s perfectly legal to use marital resources to burn through???  And I am not legally allowed to cut her off?   This thing is soul destroying….

Some days I’m not sure how to carry on. Most days I’m living my life as if and actually doing pretty great. 

It’s just the entire process.   It’s mind blowing.  It’s the most bizarre thing I’ve ever seen in my entire life. 

At some level most people can bucket someone’s behavior.  2.5 years of studying MLC.  I just can’t figure it out.  It the strangest human behavior I’ve come across and it makes no sense.  Even a crazy persons behavior makes sense.  Because they’re crazy right!  But a MLCer?  Like what in gods name is that?


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