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#30: February 15, 2012, 08:25:34 PM
       After reading all of RCRs articles a year ago I decided that Standing was like most other things in life. You get out of things what you put into them. ??? ;D
       On my first day of pharmacy school the professor told us the attrition rate was 50% . That meant if I looked around the classroom half of us wouldn't make it.    ::)
       Then in rehab 11 years ago for alcoholism the counselors told us "60% of you won't make it through with your sobriety."
      If I based my ability to succeed at any endeavor in life by what the odds were of succeeding I probably wouldn't have tried at all!  :P
      It is true that your odds of winning the lottery are less than getting struck by lightning.  :o :o So if I ever win the lottery I'll probably walk outside and immediately be hit by a bolt! Zap!   ;D  Thanks RCR!


Right to the point! I love the way you said all of that, Mamma! :)
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Re: Hope, Expectations & Probability
#31: February 15, 2012, 08:28:30 PM
I agree.  Well said Mamma!
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Re: Hope, Expectations & Probability
#32: February 15, 2012, 09:22:44 PM
That's great and so true Mamma. One additional thing I'll add is that the reality nowadays is that few are actually choosing to stand in today's disposable society. So I like to think that just the fact that WE are choosing to stand for our marriages/relationships stacks the odds in OUR favor!! That's my opinion anyway. How many times have we all been told to just move on??
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Re: Hope, Expectations & Probability
#33: February 15, 2012, 09:48:48 PM
Dear Confused, Sands, and all,

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I am in limbo at the moment. I did not think that I would find myself in this place. Not wanting to Stand anymore. As of late, since no contact with H, I've felt anger of what he has done. I can't get it off my mind that he chose THAT over me, our children, our family, our future. THAT thing that was able to persuade him to an illicit affair. How dare he do this to me!!!!!   Now that I have had the time to think, reassess my marriage. It was never good. NEVER. Why would I want that back? He is incapable of being the man I want, the man I need. What has helped me through this from the beginning is the thought that we could have it better than ever. This is just fantasy now.
 

I relate to all that you have said. I am 20 months post BD. My H and I were together 25 years and now he has chosen alcohol, porn, cybersex, adultery with two women I believed to be "dear friends" and at least one other woman. He is still with my former friend whose divorce is now final and he is pressing to move forward legally. So, in a nutshell, I have surrendered. I am not helping the separation or divorce along except to respond appropriately as needed, but it is also no use to beg, cajole, or otherwise drag my feet. My H is a total vanisher from me and from D15. It is as if he has died, but without the service, the casseroles and the fellow mourners to help me through. Add to that the fact that all involved parties have the same mutual friends, as do our children, and well... it's a pretty ugly, dire sitch. 

My H has never been a strong man and I cannot imagine him having the commitment, the humility or the strength or desire to even try to fix this. D and I are merely collateral damage.  It's gutting, and devastating and cruel on so many fronts. BUT I now understand that the standing has been as much for me and D as it has been for H and my marriage. Not rushing the process has given me the "gift of time" as OP says.  It has allowed me to begin to get my brain around this (still a work in progress), give my D two more years in our family home and two more years of her beloved homeschooling. It has given me two more years of medical and dental coverage, etc., of counseling and coming to terms, and getting stronger and making some new friends...

It has not been ideal and I would not wish this on anyone, but I am glad that I did not respond in a knee-jerk fashion in the beginning. This time provided an odd sort of stability within which I could begin to get used to the changes and the truth of my life and marriage as it now is.  It gave me the time to stop romanticizing my H and my marriage and see them in their true light, and it gave my D the time to go from age 13 to age 15 so she may have more say if there is a custody or visitation agreement issue as we proceed. 

This is not to say that I have not stood for my marriage or that I don't hold out hope, but I am also saying that standing can have a more broad basis as well.  And sometimes I think it is only after we get to the place of knowing we can survive either way, that we can really choose to stand for the right reasons. In the early days, as much as I would say that I was standing for my marriage, I was also standing out of desperation, fear, shame, financial security and dependence, "only for the children," etc. I felt compelled to stand rather than completely choosing it from a place of calm and genuine freedom. I also had not yet come to the acceptance that the OW (as much as it hurts to have been also betrayed by a friend) could not have persuaded H into anything he did not want to do. I know it is tempting to put the blame there, but in terms of our marriages, our spouses betrayed us and if it was not this OW/OM, it would most likely have been another.  To give OW/OM the power to determine the course of our marriage, doesn't help us. The reality is that our partner chose something and/or someone over his/her family and we must look at that honestly and do the individual work around that truth whether we reconcile or not.  If our spouse is not strong enough, well enough, or committed enough to be faithful to our marriage and our family, that is something we have to face and make honest decisions about.

As grief stricken as I am about my H, MLC, and this legal process, I also have to face the truth that he is not the man I need or deserve. He has a long way to go. He has never demonstrated the kind of strength that is needed to get through and beyond this. I have no idea how he, I or our D would/could ever move past this. AND he has opted to end the marriage. So, while I have not made a formal decision not to stand, it does seem rather futile in my sitch, so I am choosing to ride the waves. I am not paddling the boat or trying to go faster, but I am also not fighting the current. I am releasing, deferring to a higher wisdom and letting the decision to stand or not stand be fluid at this point.

It is not easy, but I know that much of the lesson that this experience is meant to teach me is that I cannot control everything, that I may not always know what is best or what is around the next corner, and that sometimes there is nothing left but hope/faith, grace, dignity, and letting go...

I wish you deep peace and healing.
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Re: Hope, Expectations & Probability
#34: February 15, 2012, 10:49:21 PM
Standing: It's not for everyone. Let yourself off the hook, if that's what you need. Those that stand, feel CALLED, I believe.... no special "purpose"... no special "reward". Perhaps it is ordained.... it is RIGHT for our time in our lives. For some that found our website... they are not standers... but needed a calm place to rest.

For me... I feel compelled to stand. I would never have imagined it.... I see glimpses of the possibility with my man.... it has EVERYTHING to do with HOW HE TREATS ME, and nothing to do with his flaws. He may be a drinker... a tv watcher... a non-traveler.... non-intellectual... conspiracy theorist....whatever..... but if he treats me like a QUEEN... admires me for who I am.... encourages me to be my own self....  that might be enough!  :)
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Re: Hope, Expectations & Probability
#35: February 15, 2012, 10:52:47 PM
Excellent post, Phoenix.  Just excellent.  A reminder that what we want may not be what's best for us.
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Re: Hope, Expectations & Probability
#36: February 16, 2012, 03:13:02 AM
Thank you for that post RCR.

Both your recent info and HBs was somehow something I needed to read right now, amazing eh! that you both should post something that I feel is so relevent to me at this present time.

Thanks again CrazyJ x
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Re: Hope, Expectations & Probability
#37: February 16, 2012, 05:34:04 AM
I loved readin your post Phoenix I felt that way exactly at one point. I let things take on that fluid state, I lived with that state for 6 months or so until I decided for me it WAS worth Standing. Thank you for reminding me of the time it was a healing place for me.
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Re: Hope, Expectations & Probability
#38: February 16, 2012, 06:32:23 AM
Fabulous thread.  Exactly what I needed to "see" right now.

RCR, thank you for the article.  It's an expansion on what you've written on this topic before and obviously based on all you've been learning running this site for the past two years.  Great addition to the MLC/LBS "literature"!

Confused, thank you for putting into words something I've so often puzzled over.  The "hope yet no expectations" conundrum.  You succinctly described the seeming contradiction/paradox of the choice to stand.

Phoenix, I'm right with you.  My emotional state is very similar to yours at this time, and I love your description of keeping the standing decision "fluid." 

Mamma Bear, thank you for sharing the "stats" from your pharmacy program and rehab.  What a powerful reminder we MUST accept we are first and foremost individuals and that "predictions" about our future based on the experiences of others needs to be kept in perspective.  Statistics aren't crystal balls that tell the future.  God has a plan for each of us that we cannot know in advance.  The longer I'm on my MLC journey, the more I've come to believe trust is closer to the truth than "facts."

Thank you all!

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Re: Hope, Expectations & Probability
#39: February 16, 2012, 07:58:46 AM
Letting Go,

 You never mentioned love, what about love. All those things that you mentioned I can get from my friends. But, what about love? Just asking............

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