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Our Community / Does the pain stop
« Latest by Atari25 on April 10, 2024, 06:50:03 AM »
This June would be 26 years of marriage. My husband started last year of saying I can’t cook or can’t do this or that and it progressively got worse. On Feb 3 he left the house. No contact for the who,e time he was gone until he came back to the house March 4. On March 16 he said he loves me but is not in love with me and doesn’t think he ever was. He then left and hasn’t been home since. He does not text or call. Needless to say like most everyone I am very hurt, sad depressed, and angry. I cry all the time and when I am working if someone asks about him I about cry. I go talk to my attorney next week about a separation or divorce just not sure which way to go yet but will figure it out when I speak with her. Does it get better, am I jumping the gun to soon with the attorney, so many unanswered questions.

Similarly my wife of 25 years walked out in early January so it's been 3 months now. It's just starting to feel a little less painful now but I'm still in shock and I feel sad a lot of the time.  I still lie in bed at night 2-3 times a week with tears.

Good idea seeing an attorney, I did the same just for a consultation, knowledge is key. I will not make any moves unless my wife does. I'm holding steady.

Protect your finances also.

My wife has actually rented an apartment. Where is your husband living? Or do you know?
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Our Community / Does the pain stop
« Latest by Reinventing on April 10, 2024, 04:13:29 AM »
Yes, it gets better and you won't always feel this way.

Taking care of the finances (talking to an attorney) and your emotional well being (developing a support system) is your priority now.
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Our Community / Does the pain stop
« Latest by Treasur on April 10, 2024, 04:06:29 AM »
How wise of you to gather some legal information early on. I hope that the meeting was useful. Imho, when a spouse pretty much vanishes and refuses to communicate about their intended next steps, they will avoid dealing with the adult practicalities leaving you in limbo and/or file out of the blue catching you off guard. In either situation, knowing your legal rights and obligations is useful. Sadly, you should also prepare yourself that there is an ow in the mix - it is incredibly unusual if there were not, and vanishers imho vanish off to someone/somewhere - and sometimes the ow’s agenda influences legal moves by a spouse. And of course ow does not care about your legal or financial needs or those of your kids if you have them. So you have to, and to find a decent lawyer who will help you to do that.

And to your main question. Yes, mostly. It takes longer than you (and others) might think. It is not a straight line. It changes your perspective on lots of things and sometimes in ways that surprise you. Again jmo, but I think it is like grieving a significant bereavement. Hard, messy, confusing, exhausting. But I agree with others that the pain ebbs and flows and, over time, eases into something different. It will not always feel like it does right now. And tbh stabilising the other parts of your life as much as you can helps tremendously.
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Our Community / Sheer indefatigability with learned perspicacity
« Latest by Reinventing on April 10, 2024, 03:36:17 AM »
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If that's the case, I would suspect OWife as the sender because it has a slight Machiavellian edge to it. Although, I may be over-estimating other people's skills ;)

I don't think we have the ability to imagine the depth of OW's Machiavellian skills :)

One of the things that rankles me is when OWs "sympathize" with the MLCer about how hard this is for the LBS to go through. That makes me gag.

Although I will say, the MLCer is the one who breaks their vows with the LBS. Not OW. However, OW's competitiveness can make it a lot worse for the LBS and the children.
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Our Community / Re: Does the pain stop
« Latest by Baxter1 on April 10, 2024, 02:24:09 AM »
So sorry you’re here, im  13 mo post BD and it does get better. Like everything else it takes time to heal. I(we) were all at the point of crying at work in the beginning. After all those years of being with someone how could you not be. In going to jump on and agree with the advice given: take care of you, take care of the kids. Shift your focus towards those two things to help you get through this. It helped me tremendously to have something else to focus on.
Speaking to a lawyer is great advice, it doesn’t hurt to know your options. It’s doesn’t mean you have to exercise the options now but knowing your rights isn’t the worst thing.

Good luck
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Our Community / living is an opportunity
« Latest by KayDee on April 10, 2024, 01:17:39 AM »
I love your honesty FH. Your self-reflection emanates from your journalling. I can imagine you feel some relief from losing the burden of 'holding' your W's secret from your Ds, but I guess this is a turning of a new page and will have its own challenges. It's movement though - better than bitter stagnation I suppose. I wish you luck with the Everything Conversation :-X
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Our Community / living is an opportunity
« Latest by FrenchHusband on April 10, 2024, 12:16:52 AM »
Hi B1, yes we could laugh of the similarities btwn our Ws if the story was not a destruction of our families. High energy vs low energy ? Same craziness, same timeline until now.

So a bit of journaling for today
Last week W talked to D17 and D15 during my absence, and told them that I said they will come with me, said the lawyer. So they were upset at me and talked to me aggressively. They complained also that they were not informed about the divorce. So I told them that W talking without me knowing was unfair, then I told them about the OM. During 16 months I have been able to protect them about that shock, and I wanted to continue to protect them. But I am relieved I finally unloaded  the information, it was too heavy for me.
For D17, it was a shock and she did'nt want to believe me. D15, I think, was already aware of the situation.
 
Then W joined our discussion and the daughters blamed both of us. During this convo, the daughters behaved like adults ; W and I were more like teenagers.
D15 asked me about my position on divorce, I said we were free when I married, and W is free to leave the marriage : I will let her go.
I was blamed for snooping and I said I stopped and that makes me no good.
D17 and D15 blamed W for not talking at all, locking herself in the room and always phoning in Africa. W said she will make efforts.
I said then that the minimal politeness (hello, thanks) is important for me, and I don't want to be ignored as if I were a piece of furniture or an animal. W then said that she gave me the choice for the days with S6. I said I don't remember her giving me this choice. And she talked about the sale of the appartment.

The next days, W said hello to me, but made no effort for the daughter request ( :o) : she continues to lock herself in the bedroom and rarely talk to the girls. D17 and D15 are still very close to me after the big discussion : they come to me for their concerns and their daily needs.
I talked with my lawyer who said to me that he did'nt say to W's lawyer that the daughters will come with me. I don't know who lied in this story, I understand that W was afraid that I talked to the girls behind her back. Well I did'nt.

Yesterday W asked me for a talk today, I said : about what ? And W said "about everything". This is totally new since more than 1,5 year : W initiating a discussion and warning me before. So this evening I will do my best to be quiet and listening. I expect mainly a discussion about W's "projects".
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Our Community / Sometimes the finish line is just the start of somethin' new
« Latest by MadLuv on April 09, 2024, 05:40:28 PM »
I think that sounds very healing. I don’t really care to see any photos even of XH. He wants them all including our wedding photos and I was going to send them to him, but then I thought…..isn’t that what he is running from? Makes
No sense. I like you will keep the photos for the kids. I plan on putting things in a box for them for after I am gone to have and know at some point it was good :)
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Our Community / Let it go, for it was imperfect, and thank God that it can go
« Latest by Helpnewc on April 09, 2024, 06:06:16 AM »
For what it is worth, I agree with what is said by the others.

I have seen too often trouble when things blow up outside your country of residence. I recall acting in a case where a husband took the passports of the children and it took years for the wife to get them back to her country given the laws in the country they were in.

I would just think very carefully about the trip to Turkey. I do not know about the laws there but I would suspect things might be difficult for you if you are a non citizen and something happens.

And your husband is in the throes of the crisis. He is not who he was at the moment and I would urged caution about leaving your home jurisdiction with your kids.
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Our Community / Let it go, for it was imperfect, and thank God that it can go
« Latest by Nas on April 09, 2024, 05:48:01 AM »
I have started to see, through small,l I guess you could call them 'micro-aggressions" (altho i dislike the term) clear, unavoidable evidence that he is not willing to do the work that will be necessary to try and fix 'us'. Moreover I don't believe he is capable of it, even if he had the desire to.

I remember being in this place. For me, the second half of your sentence was the most important in my mind, the realization that even if he wanted to, he wasn’t capable of the type of change I would have needed to get me to a place where I felt valued, safe, secure. All the things I tried so hard to make sure he felt for so long but I had never felt. There was a very distinct moment where I realized (or more accurately, finally admitted to myself) that, with him, I never would. There would be no miraculous waking up, no epiphany, no road to Damascus type turnaround. So I packed myself up and moved away (more on that detail later…) Except it wasn’t as clean and straightforward as I just stated it. It was incredibly painful and messy and scary. And boy did I pay for the sin of choosing myself. If he could have stolen my beating heart from my chest, I think he would have, but he settled for literally everything else. But I was making it work, rebuilding slowly on my own. I had a little faith in myself, and I had so much hope. And with everything I did that showed me a little bit of what life could be, I had more faith in myself and more hope.

It sounds like this trip gave you a little taste of what it would be like to do it on your own, and it was kind of an empowering moment for you. I’m glad you’re going to take legal advice. I don’t know anything about the legalities of divorcing overseas as opposed to here but I hope you will be able to do whatever is most beneficial for you. Because as I said, I moved away. After he moved away. And the different jurisdictions and residency requirements definitely played a role in holding things up, confusing things, and giving him the opportunity to do things I never even thought of, let alone being proactive to prevent them from happening.

So, like Treasur, I wondered if there were benefits to divorcing in your home state as opposed to initiating it in a country where you don’t live but he is a citizen and has family. When it comes to protecting finances and custody issues, I would lean towards making it as simple for yourself as possible, and having the process take place where you already live *seems* like the simplest thing. So again, I hope you can get good legal advice about what is the best for you and the kids. if that turns out to be extremely inconvenient for him, well, too bad for him…

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