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My Story 9 years later....
OP: April 24, 2023, 07:24:59 AM
Would someone mind attaching my posts.  I tried, but it didn't work.  Thank you

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H:56, I am 54
BD: March 2014, Left Sept 2014, Back Nov 2014
Left again in February 2015.  Asked for D on 9/22/15
Said he was "sure" he wanted a D in Dec 2015; 
Admitted long term affair - May 14, 2017 - says he is in love with the "symptom" but wants to build a relationship with me with "clear expectations" WHATEVER THAT MEANS!  Settlement Agreement signed 9/20/17.
Divorce final 3/14/18.
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#1: April 24, 2023, 07:40:12 AM
Saw him this weekend after many years.  We both attended a family function.  He brought OW.  Has been with her since it all started in 2014.  He divorced me, after clinging for several years in 2018.  No contact or very little contact other than financial matters since the separation agreement in 2017.

For a man who cried and told me how much he loved me (Fall 2017), he basically ignored me during the event.  I went up to him and said hello.  He kissed me and said I looked beautiful.  A few short sentences later, he was off and never even said goodbye when the event was over.  Same type of contact with my family - not even a goodbye.

I am exhausted - can barely type.  So disappointed.  It had nothing to do with her.  He is, and will always be, a guy who does what he wants.  If he had wanted to catch up, he would have approached me, we would have found some chairs, and spent time together.  Obviously not on his agenda.

I don't want him back.  Too much damage.  I did want a baseline relationship that makes it easier for the kids and for me.  Does he hate me after I literally held his hand and loved him throughout his entire divorce.  Am I dead to him?  He didn't seem nervous, or have shame.  He seemed small and disassociated.  Lifeless.

I sent him a short text afterwards just saying that I got busy cleaning up and was sorry I didn't get a chance to say goodbye.  That is was so nice to see him - blah, blah, blah!  Total bull but didn't want to say anything negative.  I got two words:  "Safe Travels."

He got EVERYTHING:  The girl, the money, the lifestyle.  I am the one that was reduced to ashes.  I am the one that is still alone.  How in the world could this man who adored and loved me for over 2 decades be so cold and disinterested in giving me 15 minutes of his time.  It is very sad and hurts my feelings.
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BD: March 2014, Left Sept 2014, Back Nov 2014
Left again in February 2015.  Asked for D on 9/22/15
Said he was "sure" he wanted a D in Dec 2015; 
Admitted long term affair - May 14, 2017 - says he is in love with the "symptom" but wants to build a relationship with me with "clear expectations" WHATEVER THAT MEANS!  Settlement Agreement signed 9/20/17.
Divorce final 3/14/18.
NC - by choice - 1/2018

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#2: April 24, 2023, 08:46:21 AM
I am sorry that contact with him shook you. Seeing them though does give us some insight into who they are now.

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Am I dead to him?  He didn't seem nervous, or have shame.  He seemed small and disassociated.  Lifeless.

Something happened to them that changed who they are. I don't really understand how that could happen but as you know, we see the same story over and over again. A switch went off and they went after a very different life then they had with us.
 
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How in the world could this man who adored and loved me for over 2 decades be so cold and disinterested in giving me 15 minutes of his time


This is something that is so incomprehensible. To not show any kindness or concern for us makes no sense at all. No apologizes, no attempt to explain and no willingness to build some kind of relationship with us...it doesn't make any sense ...but it all fits the changes that occur when they leave their lives behind and take on a completely different persona.

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He got EVERYTHING:  The girl, the money, the lifestyle.  I am the one that was reduced to ashes.  I am the one that is still alone...............  It is very sad and hurts my feelings.

It is very sad and it was not supposed to be this way. I hate being alone, and although I have plenty of friends it doesn't replace my longing for an intimate partner. It is the way I am hardwired. Sometimes my life feels very much like groundhog day. Get up, turn on my computer, eat breakfast....stuff to do in the day, generally eat dinner alone, watch tv, go to bed. I like to travel but most of my friends are couples and travel with their spouse or their kids, or they cannot afford to travel. I found traveling alone less than satisfactory.

The contact we have now is beneficial for our daughter but it is very superficial between us....I don't ask him for anything, I don't contact him but still respond to his texts..which are usually "jokes".

I accept that the memories are still there of what we used to have, which was a life I loved with a person I loved..I accept that this is gone. In the singles groups I belong to, 90% of the participants are women so even if I could think that another partner would be a possibility (and there are many reasons I don't think that is a good idea for me) the pickings are quite slim.   ;D

I am happier than I once was but growing old alone isn't a whole lot of fun. I think there is a difference when your spouse dies, because as long as they are alive, for me anyway, his rejection of me is a problem for me. Even though I know it wasn't me it touches areas deep within, the wounding is still in our hearts.

It sounds like you have a good relationship with your family....I don't think they retain much if any relationship with family members, even their children and so I wonder, how good is that? I would rather be involved with my blood family than strangers that I met post crisis but that's my need not his.

Shining, you are not alone in your thoughts. Thanks for sharing.  I hope that your find your peace again quickly...as Heartsblessing always used to say "let him blow in the wind and crack his head" or something like that.

Have a good day!

Just thought of something, several of my married friends actually seen to envy my "freedom"....some of my girl friends are finding that their husbands are in their words "becoming crabby old men" and not interested in doing things., yet they want their wives at home with them all the time..of course I remember one women complaining because her husband slurps his coffee and it drives her crazy.....if she only knew!
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#3: April 24, 2023, 02:46:24 PM
Hello,

So sorry about the family function. I remember for years that I hoped that she would do something, some sign that we would get back together-never occurred.

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Does he hate me after I literally held his hand and loved him throughout his entire divorce.  Am I dead to him?  He didn't seem nervous, or have shame.  He seemed small and disassociated.  Lifeless.

No, I don't think hate fits the frame. Hate would have been bringing OW over to meet. Hate would have been complete avoidance. Instead, he demonstrated compartmentalization. You are just another box in the attic of his brain. Packed away. Doesn't want to or need to open.

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I sent him a short text afterwards just saying that I got busy cleaning up and was sorry I didn't get a chance to say goodbye.  That is was so nice to see him - blah, blah, blah!  Total bull but didn't want to say anything negative.  I got two words:  "Safe Travels."

I get the desire, but NC is better. He didn't engage with you and you don't need to engage back-even lies.

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He got EVERYTHING:  The girl, the money, the lifestyle.

No one gets everything. My ex got a lot, but she didn't get everything. What lifestyle? He's a cheater. You know it and he knows it too. That's another reason why he compartmentalizes, to push the bad away and not confront.

So, start living for you. Start building your life. If you want to lie, the next family function, get a beefy fireman to be your eye candy. LOL This isn't a competition, it is about recovering from a huge trauma that you endured. Look back at everything you have done without him. There may be a lot of losses  but there are triumphs. Pan for your own gold of success and use those little nuggets to affirm your importance and value.

Be and make your own agenda,

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#4: April 24, 2023, 02:53:03 PM
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Instead, he demonstrated compartmentalization. You are just another box in the attic of his brain. Packed away. Doesn't want to or need to open.

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"You enrich my life and are a source of joy and consolation to me. But if I lose you, I will not, I must not spend the rest of my life in unhappiness."

" The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it". Flannery O'Connor

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#5: April 24, 2023, 03:33:56 PM
All words of wisdom.  Thank you for reminding me of the meaning of MLC.  I expected him to act as I do, which is to miss him, but you both are 100 percent correct - expectations can knock you down every time. 

I did realize a valuable lesson by seeing him:  he has moved on and created a whole new life, and although I have done a lot, I never gave up the idea of him coming home.  It has lived in the back of my head for 9 years.  Only the people on this forum can understand.  The world would tell me I am crazy.  I have only been out on two dozen dates since he left.  None were right for me, but my heart was still full with H, so I wouldn't have found the room even if Mr. Wonderful came by.

I have been under the covers all day feeling sorry for myself and a bit of shell shock.  However, I can see areas I have held back on in order to "unofficially" wait for him.  I don't want that any more.  I want to create a new interesting life and I want to get married again.

Unlike the beginning of the bomb drop, I only get today to be under the covers.  Tomorrow is a brand new day!
 
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BD: March 2014, Left Sept 2014, Back Nov 2014
Left again in February 2015.  Asked for D on 9/22/15
Said he was "sure" he wanted a D in Dec 2015; 
Admitted long term affair - May 14, 2017 - says he is in love with the "symptom" but wants to build a relationship with me with "clear expectations" WHATEVER THAT MEANS!  Settlement Agreement signed 9/20/17.
Divorce final 3/14/18.
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#6: April 25, 2023, 12:06:35 AM
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Instead, he demonstrated compartmentalization. You are just another box in the attic of his brain. Packed away. Doesn't want to or need to open.

Pure gold ready :)

That makes a great deal of sense to me too. As does your feeling that he seemed somewhat disassociated and lifeless. It must be a pretty strange circle to square off, the erasure of an old life in the way these folks seem to do it. I still find a lot of this mindset incomprehensible but compartmentalisation makes sense to me as a way of adapting after it.

All of which, of course, says zip about you or your value.
I’m sorry that seeing him in this way was a hurtful blip. But i’m not at all surprised, bc it seems to be how the universe often works, that it turned into a productive shift for you too.
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#7: April 25, 2023, 01:18:49 AM
The compartmentalisation resonated with me as well....
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#8: April 25, 2023, 07:40:55 PM
Compartmentalizing is foreign to me.  I don't have that ability nor understand how to do it.  I didn't have a light switch that clicked off without warning and the interest to toss my lifetime love in the garbage can.  My brain - after all these years - still doesn't understand how he cut the ties, and with such aggressiveness and finality.  I have learned that not understanding is an actual answer.  After 9 years, it is my truth - I will never understand! 

Felt a bit better today.  Tomorrow I am busy all day so won't have the time to wallow.  This will be very healthy for my brain.  Also will start exercising and eating well.  I had a break for a few days. 

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BD: March 2014, Left Sept 2014, Back Nov 2014
Left again in February 2015.  Asked for D on 9/22/15
Said he was "sure" he wanted a D in Dec 2015; 
Admitted long term affair - May 14, 2017 - says he is in love with the "symptom" but wants to build a relationship with me with "clear expectations" WHATEVER THAT MEANS!  Settlement Agreement signed 9/20/17.
Divorce final 3/14/18.
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#9: April 25, 2023, 10:14:27 PM
Sorry, Shining Star -- I didn't mean that it resonated with me because I can do it, I meant that I have experienced the same from my MLCer!  It's so easy for things to come out wrong when I write them.

I am like you -- I can't do that either. 
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#10: April 26, 2023, 12:05:58 AM
I agree, Shining, that not understanding is also a kind of answer. Simply, perhaps, bc it tells you what kind of people are your ‘tribe’ or not, and what kind of people you have boundaries with that mean they are not welcome to play in your garden. Learning to accept the reality of behaviour and choices you find incomprehensible AND to feel deeply comfortable staying away from it without needing to appease or excuse or doubt one’s own assessment of it is a pretty good general life skill, isn’t it?

There are lots of things that humans do that I find incomprehensible. And horrific. Every day I can read stories in a newspaper that make no sense to me at all....even if I try to imagine what it is like to stand in those incomprehensible shoes. But I don’t need to understand it, I just need to decide what is ok with me and how I respond in real life if I encounter these kinds of folks. At a simple level imho, we humans mostly do things bc - from our POV at the time - they move us towards things that feel good and away from things that feel bad. As sane adults, our impulses are tempered by our values and how we balance short term vs long term and our needs vs others. But that’s not how some folks work....or they have fundamentally different values from us. I think what gets tricky in dealing with our former spouses is bc we observe certain behaviours but also expect something different bc we had an often long and very different experience of them as a person? It’s not easy to reconcile those two experiences imho.

I found it easier to wrap my head around some of the behaviour of my xh and his ow when I started telling myself that they either believed I deserved it or, more likely perhaps, they simply did not care about the effects as lng as they got whatever it was they wanted. They were just not my sort of human. True though that I have never quite, in the light of some of the truly awful things my h did and seemed to be ok with doing, been able to figure out how much of him and our previous shared twenty years was as I believed it to be at the time. I simply don’t know....but I do know, rationally, that it can’t all have been as I thought or my then h could not have done much of what he did.  ::) that’s not an easy or comfortable thing to adjust to, is it? It’s quite a big loss of part of one’s own life experience and why imho, even years later, we can find ourselves mentally wrestling with it. And I think, with time, different LBS here reach a different narrative for themselves which feels close enough to live with which others here who see it differently try to respect.

I don’t know what your narrative is or will be, but I hope you find one that brings you some level of peace that this awful life altering experience happened to you and around you but largely not because of you. 
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#11: April 26, 2023, 06:48:38 AM
"Compartmentalization is a defense mechanism in which people mentally separate conflicting thoughts, emotions, or experiences to avoid the discomfort of contradiction.

That uncomfortable state is called cognitive dissonance, and it’s one that humans try to avoid, by modifying certain beliefs or behaviors or through strategies like compartmentalization.

Defense mechanisms are unconscious strategies whereby people protect themselves from anxious thoughts or feelings. Other prominent defense mechanisms include denial, repression, and projection, among others."
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/compartmentalization

Compartmentalization is often a defense mechanism that is used by people who have experienced trauma as a way to protect themselves from conflicting emotions and thoughts. Trauma, which may have occurred in infancy and childhood, such as sexual abuse, can become compartmentalized, indeed, the victim  may not be consciously aware of the trauma that had occurred in their early years.

And so, this defense mechanism is used to prevent the person from feeling pain. Like most defense mechanisms, it works to a degree.


I do believe that MLC occurs due to a multitude of triggers, childhood issues, hormonal changes, physical changes and fear of growing older, stress..things that are affecting our loved spouse ....and eventually comes to a head by them breaking away from us and our lives to find something that will decrease their pain.

Some MLCers have actually told the LBSer "I had to leave or I would die".

We see it in their actions, we see it in their empty eyes and in their destructive behavior. The suddenness of their departure, their total change in their moral values and lifestyle show us clearly that this is not a marriage or relationship problem.

What we had for the many years we were together was real. The examples that we see over and over are of good parents, good spouses and decades of strong and loving marriages.....this was real.

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after all these years - still doesn't understand how he cut the ties, and with such aggressiveness and finality.  I have learned that not understanding is an actual answer.  After 9 years, it is my truth - I will never understand!

My head can understand whereas my heart will never understand. I often have said that if this had not happened in my life, I would find it fascinating to study the psychology of it.

Other who knew my husband well also see the difference in him. They too find it difficult to "understand" as does our daughter...which brings me back to my belief that this crisis is not about them trying to hurt us or purposely causing us harm.....we are the collateral damage in an immense crisis that they face, often one that doesn't end up well for them.

Perhaps because I don't typically use compartmentalization as a defense mechanism, the love I still have for my husband, the memories of who he was will always remain with me. Shining, I am 13 1/2 years post BD and I still think about him every day. Therapy helped me to heal and find myself and there are lots of good things in my life, but there is still sadness for the loss of this love we had, this life we shared,.

In my heart, he is and always will be my husband. Not an "ex husband" as many often refer to him as, but a husband who unfortunately suffered something, some trauma in his past that led to this.

I have often said that I see MLC as a "dis-ease" and that allows me to see him through a different lens. I am not alone in seeing him this way...as I said, others who also loved this man are as confused as I am as to why he has done what he did.

Living with the loss of our marriage, of the love we shared, of our family is huge. It was the life I always wanted and I had it for many years. I don't "understand" why he prefers the life he is living but I do accept this to be our lives....once joined together and taken for granted  that we would share our lives together for life, is not my reality anymore.



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#12: April 26, 2023, 09:15:46 AM
What you wrote xyzcf moved me very much. It reminded me of this song which even now can bring me to tears
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rtOvBOTyX00

I imagine I come across nowadays as rather meh here about my former husband....which is part but not the whole picture. I do not think of him as my husband any longer, unlike you....for me I think that word brings a kind of sense of partnership and We which no longer exists.

But I do think of him still as my Beloved. It was our affectionate name for each other and, perhaps strangely, although I am no longer his Beloved, he is still somehow mine quietly in my heart. I don’t often say that out loud bc it usually makes no sense to others. Tbh I don’t usually say it out loud to myself lol...but it is my unspoken truth. I’m not sure I always like that it is but on the flip side, if I can let myself say it sometimes it allows me to hold a lot of lovely memories which i’m not sure I would like to have erased along with our marriage. It allows me to feel gratitude for what I had, perhaps, rather than focusing on what was lost.

It is good to remember that different LBS find their own version of peace on the other side of this and that it is rarely a simple all or nothing, is it?
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#13: April 26, 2023, 10:01:50 AM
Trust and Love:  I knew exactly what you meant and I am very sorry to hear that you are feeling the same pain.

X and T:  My head understands all your words.  I lived it and I spent a lot of time for several years on the forum reading MLC stories.  My ex is a walking definition of it.  What is hard for me is that we have lived such different roads.  According to him, (he said it in a text after the function) he is in a fulfilling relationship and has created a family with the OW and her children.  For me, I spent the same years trying to breathe and get a life together.  I don't know what he thought the other day when he saw me, but I looked at him and saw my husband.  It seemed weird that he walked into the function with the OW.  It seemed wrong.  I still love him.  That said, it did make me realize, as I said before, he doesn't "appear" to be upset that he left me and doesn't "appear" to have any plans to come home.  I guess, at this point, he doesn't consider me home any more.  In my face reality because he is still home for me.  I feel as if I sound a bit pathetic after so many years.  I have built a full life and have lots of new friends.  I have a wonderful life with lots of love.  What I have been writing about is the fact that I had a secret desire for him to come home, and it kept me from forming a relationship with another.  I know that the dream is over and it is unlikely that he will turn around.  I have been very down the last few days because I know I have to put him in a compartment of my own.  I loved being married, and if I am to meet the right guy, I need to open my heart to another.  The idea is not as shocking as it was a few years ago.  Time does soften the bluntness of the pain.  X is right.  He needs to be my love - "quietly in my heart."
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Said he was "sure" he wanted a D in Dec 2015; 
Admitted long term affair - May 14, 2017 - says he is in love with the "symptom" but wants to build a relationship with me with "clear expectations" WHATEVER THAT MEANS!  Settlement Agreement signed 9/20/17.
Divorce final 3/14/18.
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#14: April 27, 2023, 09:19:02 AM
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My head understands all your words.


Yes, and even the most rational explanation still can't change your heart. Yes, you lived it and so did I. I maintain NC with my ex because I don't want to revisit the love and hope I had for her, for us. The other day, while we were waiting for our table for my birthday crunch, I received a call from my ex. Almost brought on an anxiety attack. Why is she calling? Did something happen to my daughter? How do I respond? Thankfully, it was my youngest wishing me a happy birthday and she had forgot her phone and her mom let her use her phone. Please send me a warning text in the future. The entire incident brought back a back a flood of memories and it still shows even with my rational brain, my heart can still throw everything out of whack. 

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I looked at him and saw my husband.

I still see my ex. I still remember seeing her when she enrolled her nephew at my school over a year before we first dated and she took my breath away. That was just one passing moment and I still remember. So, I get where you are coming from.

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I still love him.

Nothing wrong with that at all. You can't turn off an aspect of you that makes you special. Don't deny the essence of your core because of the actions of your husband.

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I feel as if I sound a bit pathetic after so many years.

You are not pathetic. You are simply a very loving and kind person who has extraordinary attachment bonds. I would love to have you as a friend. You would be a friend for life.  Just remember, our greatest strengths can be our greatest weaknesses.

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What I have been writing about is the fact that I had a secret desire for him to come home, and it kept me from forming a relationship with another.

I agree. Why are you denying someone else from benefiting from a wonderful relationship with you. I thought no one could replace my ex. My new wife is completely different. I love her with all my heart. My ex on the outside is all kindness, sweetness, and fluff. Her voice is so sweet and almost angelic. Inside is a much different person. Deceitful, conniving and in constant internal conflict. She deals with a lot of trauma that she has not truly confronted or ever even tried to resolve. Even my oldest daughter, who for years had no relationship with her mother, realized the same problems. She said, "I used to hate her, but now I feel sorry for her. She is just a really damaged person and hides it well." My new wife, she comes off as tough and rough, no nonsense personality, but inside she is a very kind and giving person. She truly gives her all for me and I appreciate all of her efforts.

You could be doing the same thing for someone else. Just like you, I love being married as well. Be open and not be afraid to give again. You can be a difference maker in someone else's life.

Have a fantastic day,

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#15: April 27, 2023, 11:31:16 AM
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You are not pathetic. You are simply a very loving and kind person who has extraordinary attachment bonds. I would love to have you as a friend. You would be a friend for life.  Just remember, our greatest strengths can be our greatest weaknesses.

I teared up reading this. I recognize this wasn't for me but it hit me hard. Thank you for writing this.

Shining Star, I have no wise words for you. I can only say that I'm sorry. There's so much pain there and I can really feel it. It hurts.
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#16: April 27, 2023, 01:06:42 PM
I don't know where to start.  I opened up my computer and saw the beautiful words and support and it brought tears to my eyes.  It reminded me of the beginning when I lived inside this forum.  I had no contact beginning in January 2018, when I told him not to call me again and he moved out of state.  He went five years without reaching out - FIVE years.  That is from a man who told me during our last phone call that he would never give up trying to be connected to me.... and poof, five years goes by.  Today is five days since I saw him.  My brain is settling down.  After searching my soul, I think I actually believed that he did not come home because of shame, and that he was in pain that I was not in his life.  That is how I coped.  Seeing him and her together, and the fact that he held her hand right in front of me - and, I will say it again - didn't say good bye at the end of the event - is fairly good evidence that he doesn't spend the day in the fetal position because of me.  It is shocking to me that these thoughts were locked in my brain for so long.  Now I have this new information and its a big reality check and I MUST move forward, but WOW it hurts.... it too shall pass.

Ready: it is nice to hear that you are re-married and happy.  Sorry about the phone call.  That sounds traumatic.  I appreciate the time you spent writing out a response to me.  It is very good advice.

Zar: I appreciate the kind words.

T: One of your posts mentions the concept of was the marriage really that good if he could leave the way he did.  That was a question I asked my H before the divorce.  I always felt so loved by him.  I couldn't understand what was happening.  His answer was that it was like a light switch - it just turned off one day and he didn't want to be married to me and wasn't attracted to me any longer.  Obviously, the concept of the OW confuses the issue a bit, but I do believe that it was all real until it wasn't.  I didn't live in a cloud thinking that he loved me - he did love me and he stopped.  I don't know if this helps, but it's logical to think that your H did have a deep love for you, and then came the light switch.

X:  I, too, am unable to call him anything other than my H.  Whatever happens in the future, he will always be my H - even if I find a new H.  My feelings are very similar to yours.  A lot of your words resonate with me.
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9 years later....
#17: April 27, 2023, 04:47:26 PM
We all come to this forum with different situations. Children, childless, long term marriages, shorter ones, our values and belief systems and how our nervous and psychological pathways respond to this trauma. Whether or not we have abandonment issues from our past, if we have financial security or not after BD, so many things that make us different.

Few of the original HS members that I knew from 2010 post anymore, some I am still in contact with..so there isn't much information of how this impacts our lives many years later.

There is a discussion on another thread concerning whether we are better or worse without our MLCer.....there is no right or wrong answer but I would suggest it depends upon the stage of life you are at, your financial stability, whether or not you have another significant partner in your life, if you managed to find a therapist to help you, if you have any family support, who your close friends are...many many factors once again.

I also do see, as was mentioned in that thread, that the singles groups I belong to are 90 % or more female. Men do seem to marry again..and once again many reasons for that.

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His answer was that it was like a light switch - it just turned off one day and he didn't want to be married to me and wasn't attracted to me any longer.  Obviously, the concept of the OW confuses the issue a bit, but I do believe that it was all real until it wasn't.  I didn't live in a cloud thinking that he loved me - he did love me and he stopped.  I don't know if this helps, but it's logical to think that your H did have a deep love for you, and then came the light switch.

This is an excellent analogy and one that I have heard before....not just did that switch go off for us, but for many other people and activities that they enjoyed for years...a 180 degree change in their personality. We were once so close to them and now, it's really not possible to understand what is going on in their heads.

I think that being totally honest with how I feel means a great deal. I have accepted the reality of his leaving, and I think we move forward whether we want to or not.  In all honesty, I am lonely and that is a problem. I want to travel, I want to go to concerts or out to dinner and I find it difficult to find people to do these things with. When I was married, our interests were so much alike that the things that I would enjoy doing now, we both enjoyed...so there is an emptiness in my life without him...thus my belief that I am not better now then when he was in my life. Financially, I am much worse off then when I was married.

As Acorn often says, a sample of one.  I have seen that in situations where the MLCer does return home, that with work, a new relationship can be created...some have actually said that their marriage is better than before.

Regardless, some people seem able to close the door and not look back, while others still find that they miss deeply the intimacy of the marriage they once had.

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T: One of your posts mentions the concept of was the marriage really that good if he could leave the way he did

I have heard this before. I think we do know when we had great marriages and that to deny that, or come up with reasons why maybe it was not as great as we remembered is rewriting history.

MLC is not a marriage problem..of that I am 100% convinced. I often see marriages that are quite dysfunctional and yet there is no breakup or separation, no infidelity or "monster".....yet somehow, in rather good marriages, it's totally blown apart...suddenly, without warning and without any effort to repair relationships that lasted decades.

So we are left confused and damaged and the loss and grief we feel is real, for those of us who feel this way.

After so many years, I do appreciate reading other's experiences.  Ready, your response to that phone call is a really good example of how even when we are doing very well in our lives, there are still triggers. The fact that we can recognize those triggers and "recover" from them is great....but I do wonder if those triggers will always be there and how draining they can be to us.
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#18: April 27, 2023, 06:46:55 PM
SS- I don’t know how I would have handled that situation, because 2 1/2 years in I have never seen OW in person or them together in person. I think if I would it would still be a gut punch with a gasp for breath, even if in my mind. I haven’t seen my XH in a year and a half and we went 10 month with no contact due to OW.  I found out 10 month after BD that they married 9 months after he left and only 4 months after our divorce. So, I understand that feeling or hope you had. Surely he will wake up? This is all insane!!! I recently saw a picture of him and he lost a lot more weight and looked so sad, but I have no idea truly how he is. I know I am in a pretty good place, but not a day goes by that I don't think what the F happened To my life!! I think when you don’t get a mature and rationale explanation with empathy and respect there will be moments forever that trigger back to that loss of just knowing you would never do that to them and it’s hard to ever truly understand how someone gets to a place to do this to someone they loved, even if they don’t anymore.
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#19: April 27, 2023, 09:58:19 PM
It’s so much easier not having to see them. 

My Ex married his 1st wife. They were married for a year or so when he was in his early 20s.  They now attempt to act like they are a “family” with my 3 kids.  It’s not very successful.

OW tries desperately to get my daughters to join her on an outing.  They have zero interest.  The two of them pretend like they’ve been together forever - and the 30+ years he was married to me never happened.

My son sums it up very succinctly.  He’s never met anyone more selfish and self centered in his life. 

Don’t take anything he says or does as a reflection of you.  It speaks volumes about him - truly nothing about you. 

Some people never get through their crisis.  It just becomes a way of life.  At least, that’s what happened to my Ex. 

Hang in there,

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#20: April 27, 2023, 11:01:57 PM
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Obviously, the concept of the OW confuses the issue a bit, but I do believe that it was all real until it wasn't.  I didn't live in a cloud thinking that he loved me - he did love me and he stopped.  I don't know if this helps, but it's logical to think that your H did have a deep love for you, and then came the light switch.

That was a sweet and timely reminder not to gaslight myself inadvertently, Shining.  :)
Strangely enough yesterday I was clearing up an old computer and running a programme that removes duplicated files. A lot of them were photo files.....photos of my parents, of my h, of dinners with old friends, houses we shared, places I had been or we had been. I had a few pangs of sadness, understandably, bc a lot of these people and places are lost to me now. At the same time, I counted it as a big win that I could do it without distress bc for a long time I couldn’t have. And tbh IMO PTSD did some very strange things to my ability to remember events and chronology, so it was reassuring to have less doubt about my own memory functioning now  :)

One thing that jumped out at me though was how many photos there were of my then h beaming at me vs one ohoto post BD when even the shape of his face looked completely different. Dark eyes, rigid posture, lifeless as you said. It was a pretty stark contrast and it surprised me to see it accidentally in amongst all these other photos bc the programme didn’t run chronologically but by file size. The photo just popped up amongst all the others. Something significant happened to him for sure....it was obvious to the eye. So, yes, much of what I experienced probably was real. Until it wasn’t.

The bit i am less at ease with is inferring too much about what happened to him or what that means for me, if that makes sense. Bc there is such a lot I don’t know and don’t understand. At a basic level, I suppose I see that he had a switch that I didn’t, that the way we do love turned out to be rather different. And, just for me and about me, a sample of one I guess, once I knew that this switch existed, I am grateful that I was not given the opportunity to reconcile - bc I would have tried until it almost killed me probably - bc I never would have felt entirely safe and at ease again with him in the way one should in a close relationship. And having experienced PTSD I would never choose to live with that feeling of fear again or wish it on anyone else.....so, for me, it is better to live without the source of that fear or to have any contact with it.

But the photos did show me that I did not imagine my experience of life with my h, or that I was loved and respected. Until I wasn’t. And tbh that was a big thing to lose for both of us. He certainly looked like a happier, healthier kind of human before the switch flicked  :) which tbh was strangely helpful too bc, like most of us, I spent years feeling so very much less than and unsure of just how foolish I had been, what was true and what was lies.....it still bothers me a little that I don’t know if ow was an invisible player in my family’s life when my father was dying, for instance.  :) Lies are insidious and corrosive things,aren’t they? I think a lot of us have been struggling with that in our public and political domains in the last few years too....short-term lies really do carry quite significant long term effects once one starts to feel that you simply can’t assume someone is telling the truth based on facts they know.

I do still remember my uncle saying calmly over lunch when some of the s$itstorm got really bonkers and ow got super nutty, ‘I’m not sure he has really thought this through, has he.....’  :) If I were the kind of person who needed some kind of karmic revenge/justice, I have often mused that for both ow and my xh, marrying the other was a pretty good example of sowing and reaping and being careful what you wish for in case you get exactly that  :)....it just took me a while to see my own wood for my own trees bc I was so overwhelmed by my own losses. Now, it just seems like a sad and sorry thing all round and I am grateful that it was not created or chosen by me, even if being the collaterally damaged victim of others choices was awful to live through for longer than I might have wished.

So, thank you Shining for helping me to balance my lens now a little  :)
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T: 18  M: 12 (at BD) No kids.
H diagnosed with severe depression Oct 15. BD May 16. OW since April 16, maybe earlier. Silent vanisher mostly.
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#21: April 28, 2023, 03:58:48 AM
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If I were the kind of person who needed some kind of karmic revenge/justice, I have often mused that for both ow and my xh, marrying the other was a pretty good example of sowing and reaping and being careful what you wish for in case you get exactly that
There are so many relatable things I could pull from what you said Treasur, but I will pull this sample of one. This is what pulled me out of the poor me and also seeing “their life” as a fantasy. Once I could step back and realize that what they thought they were stepping into and what they are living is not at all what they bargained for it truly made all the difference. No marriage is perfect, but there is a HUGE difference in a marriage created from love and respect than one created from lies and temporary lust. You do get to a place where that realization brings back your self worth, self esteem, self love and some peace. At least it did for me.
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Oct 2018 moved back
Oct 2020 BD2
Feb 2021 Div-29 1/2 years
July 2021 Married OW
Feb 2022  XH fired
May 2023 went NC after telling XH we could not be friends
Aug 2023 XH moves w/o OWife

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9 years later....
#22: May 12, 2023, 04:33:06 PM
Hey SS. This is my first time on here in a long time. Popping in to say hi. I’m sorry seeing him was jarring. I can imagine it would be after so long. It sounds like he’s still very much vacant - which is sad. I do hope that as you noted seeing him allows you to finally close the door on him. Even if he miraculously came home he’s not who you knew and you my beautiful friend deserve so much more.
Sending you virtual hugs. 
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