[AlvinTheMaker]

Just sharing / bookmarking a topic on emotional detachment experiences some go through during menopause. Cannot help thinking how much some of it sounds like MLC minus the need for new partner. Hormones among other things can make people quite nuts, but I guess everyone here knows that😂

https://www.menopausematters.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=22543.0

Alvin

[Happylight]

I have read some theories that hormonal changes probably do play into MLC for both men and women.  Men's levels tend to drop more slowly over time--I wonder if this means that they slide into MLC more slowly as well?  I don't have the answers for sure, just curious about the potential biological contributors to the "storm."

[AlvinTheMaker]

I have read some theories that hormonal changes probably do play into MLC for both men and women.  Men's levels tend to drop more slowly over time--I wonder if this means that they slide into MLC more slowly as well?  I don't have the answers for sure, just curious about the potential biological contributors to the "storm."

I have no doubt of hormones being a contributing factor. It is frightening how many "fell out of love for spouse/kids overnight" stories are on the site above even in their public section.

Of course not everyone in menopause decides to divorce and go grazy, which I think links to FOO. You either have or don't have the tools to navigate dark waters without totally nuking family around you.

As for men....I think it is highly individual, just like  with women. Some go slow and easy, some fast and hard, some crash and burn.

All in all would be interesting to know if any MLCr has started HRT treatment and what the effects were. At least I don't recall reading a single storyline here or other mlc forums where that would have been explored.

Alvin

[WHY]

I have read some theories that hormonal changes probably do play into MLC for both men and women.  Men's levels tend to drop more slowly over time--I wonder if this means that they slide into MLC more slowly as well?  I don't have the answers for sure, just curious about the potential biological contributors to the "storm."

I have no doubt of hormones being a contributing factor. It is frightening how many "fell out of love for spouse/kids overnight" stories are on the site above even in their public section.

Of course not everyone in menopause decides to divorce and go grazy, which I think links to FOO. You either have or don't have the tools to navigate dark waters without totally nuking family around you.

As for men....I think it is highly individual, just like  with women. Some go slow and easy, some fast and hard, some crash and burn.

All in all would be interesting to know if any MLCr has started HRT treatment and what the effects were. At least I don't recall reading a single storyline here or other mlc forums where that would have been explored.

Alvin

If we could test every MLCer and measure hormone levels.   I don’t believe we’d find a pattern. Otherwise MLC would be easy to diagnose and even be treatable.

I also question chemical imbalance and affects on depression.  It’s highly complex.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/326475

All I know is that my MLC is living in an alternative universe.  It’s psychosis.  And I wish I knew would causes it.  Hopefully in 100 years someone will figure it out. 

[Ready2Transform]

All in all would be interesting to know if any MLCr has started HRT treatment and what the effects were. At least I don't recall reading a single storyline here or other mlc forums where that would have been explored.

Actually, there have been! We used to keep track of that better on some of the old research threads (some go back 10 years or more) that always seem to get buried. Off the top of my head, there was a member named Smitty (with some numbers after it) whose husband got T treatment and improved. They ended up reconciling I think. I'm not seeing her in the member list, but when I search for "Smitty" the name "Battlefield" comes up, so that may be the same person (I'm really not certain).

It's a strong belief of mine that my xH suffered a big andropausal T drop in his mid-30s that contributed to his situation. I remember reading from a reliable source that a drop in estrogen or testosterone doesn't equal an increase in the other, but rather for both it will elevate cortisol, which can cause a ton of problems like anxiety, mental fog, weight gain, etc. I had my 'crisis' right before my xH did, and it aligned with when hormonal birth control (and subsequently going off of it) did a huge number on me, which has taken me years to start to improve from (progesterone being the problem). I had a huge amount of swelling, hair loss, weight changes, and an identity crisis. Fun stuff. 

I'm not a huge fan of his books other than this one, but John Gray's "Venus on Fire, Mars on Ice" does a really good job of laying out some of the hormonal and neurotransmitter differences among the sexes and how to naturally improve both. It echoes a lot of our experiences (though most not as drastice) in the parables of the book, so it felt like good research to me years ago when I found it. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7849906-venus-on-fire-mars-on-ice