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Our Community / What am I dealing with here?
« Latest by Hopeful5 on Today at 04:25:42 PM »
I know I keep ranting here, I'm sorry. It's been awhile since I've posted and I just need to blow off some steam as I wait forever for my W to file her inevitable D.

One part of this whole thing that's really coming to the forefront...  My W and I have always been in business together. for over 20 years we've built and ran business together. She has the good ideas, and I build the business. We've been around each other 24/7 since the time we've met,  (along with our kids who've been homeschooled).  We used to always joke about how we each have half a brain and together we make a complete brain of 1 person.  There's probably some codependency involved in each of us. Whatever...

So, the inevitable D means I'll be on my own in so many ways. D will most likely mean the sale of our business, which needs to be sold regardless. The fact is, being on my own, and starting over in my late 40's is extra scary.  I may need to get a "job" (??). I've actually applied to over 80 positions with no interviews. Come to find out, being a business owner doesn't translate well to the job market.

If the settlement from a D is decent, I might be able to start a new biz on my own or with another partner. But sheesh, it's not only the relationship disaster, there's an entire career + life start over ahead.  I built my entire life around this woman - career and all. Stupid, stupid, stupid...
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Our Community / Help Please 5
« Latest by Hopeful5 on Today at 04:02:24 PM »
It is so strange to think of your wife having a boyfriend. And to hear from them that you did not love them or care for them when they are alone in that view. It is as though 13 years of love from you did not exist.

And yes, I understand there is blame projection and it is easier to blame someone else for your unhappiness. But all those happy photos and moments were not a lie.

The death of our dog was a rare moment where something pierced through and she seemed genuinely sad. But not sad enough to leave her secret boyfriends home.

I have made the hard decision to not go to my daughter’s 10th birthday. I know I am not strong enough. I decided not to lie to her and explained I just can’t be that close to mum at the moment. They said it is because you love her and want to hug her. I said yes, and they my eldest said have you told her? I said she knows.

But the total destruction of a person and remaking of a story is something to behold. It is interesting how you regain your footing and do realise that while you were not perfect, this explosion is not about you. But there is nothing you can do.


Nearly 2 years in and I still can’t quite believe it. It is just so odd.

So many similarities in our stories. I also have a most likely STBxW who rewrote our entire history over night. What was in the eyes of me and my 4 kids a GOOD marriage of 23 years, has been rewritten in the most absurd way.  Neither me or my kids buy it. And the childish, passive aggressive behavior -- neglect, witholding, stonewalling etc, is infuriating to no end.  But the worst is the parental alienation, and talking sh%$ about you to the kids behind your back, which is the nastiest trick in the book.

I really is the twilight zone. Keep hanging in there, I know there are better years ahead for all of us who are in the middle of this. 
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I think as the 'LBS' or non-crisis spouse we suffer a lot of injustice, manipulation, gaslighting, deception and cruelty - to varying degrees. And for the most part I've done a really good job of handling it, if I do say so myself. But today was not my finest hour.

I was downstairs watching the Chelsea match and my H was outside vacuuming my car when his phone rang and his sister - younger sister- the silly, flighty one who is obsessed with shopping and her IG (despite being 38 years old)  called. I yelled out to him, your phone rang and he came back inside and called her. The first thing he said to her was "I'm with (my name)' and the conversation got really stilted. I then stood up and said hi and she looked absolutely stricken to see me - the way a child looks who has been caught with a hand in the cookie jar. She could barely speak to me and he took the phone to the garage and hung up ab 30 seconds later. I knew this bc he started up the vacuum again. So, what one could reasonably assume is that they did not speak, because I was at home. She is not someone he would call to confide in (the way I do my sister) so would have been something connected to his AP. He did not deny this later btw. I have no idea if they were together, or she was calling to discuss an upcoming trip to her or anything else, but it was connected to her. 

After some thought, I asked my husband, "your sister was so weird with me--where does she stand on all of this - is she my friend?" He knew what I was referencing bc his older sister has been supportive of our family. And he said, 'she's neutral' about you and the OW. NEUTRAL. because he said, she also cares for MY happiness.

I know, I know, don't expect anything from their families. But stupidly I guess, I felt hugely betrayed. Why? Because for years this sister had been estranged from the family (she ran off with a guy they didn't like and humiliated her family ab as much as you can imagine - invited all their relatives to her giant wedding apart from her immediate family who didn't know about it and was blindsided, put it all on FB etc etc) and I had lobbied on her behalf, to my husband for years. Even when she divorced a  year later they wouldn't talk to her, I kept saying, she's your sister! Once they reconciled, this SIL was in a car accident where she hit and killed a woman, a mother with 4 kids, who was illegally running across a freeway and my SIL was passing behind a truck and didn't see her. There were cameras and my SIL was found not at fault, but she had to pay a large amt in a civil case brought by the woman's family. Again, I encouraged my H to send her the money to help. I paid for her trip to the USA last summer etc etc etc.

The thing is, this new woman, she is v rich and she I guess can do more for her than I can. And that's what she sees now. It did not escape my attention that as soon as my H started going to Barcelona to stay in his AP's penthouse, this sister went out and got a visa for Europe.

And with my H, I can at least write this off to a MLC and that he's lost his mind and that he's crazy, but with her, with her it's a CALCULATED decision. Not based on emotion, or a depression - it's a calculated and cold choice to throw me, her 'sister' all these years, under the bus for someone more useful.

Anyway, here's the bad part. I fired off a whats' app to her and in a nutshell said that altho he told me she is neutral now, I had never been neutral to her, I had lobbied for her, and that altho her brother and I will end, and not because of her, but that in situations like these you see who your true friends are, and she is not mine. She is on the side of who can benefit her most. And I asked her, as much as possible when I'm over there with kids, to avoid me, as I don't want to pretend that we are still sisters."  I did not curse or anything, but still it was pretty strong and I should not have sent it. The thing is rationally, I was always going to lose my relationship with all of them anyway. And whether or not she accepts this new AP now, eventually they ALL WILL if they stay together, because he's their brother and son and they won't lose him.

It's not just losing my husband, my time is up in this family - all this despite the fact that I still have his name and we are still married. When we were talking about this btw, my H said to me, 'Where is all this coming from? you are never going to stop bringing this up! You will be triggered constantly, and even if I come back to you, you will constantly bring it up and constantly want to talk about it. Therefore, for the first time, I agree with you, we need to get divorced. I want my freedom from you.

He is STILL in a relationship and having an affair and he is living in this house and he is angry at me for not being over it and/or bringing it up. He has not apologized, he has not ended it, and he is blaming me for our inevitable divorce because I'm too easily triggered. I can rationally see this as a gross distortion and manipulation but at the time, when he said it, "for the first time I agree," it was so painful to for a second question if this is really my fault. The truth is, he made the decision to break up with me a long time ago. He just hasn't had the guts to do what needs to be done to really end it. I am still playing catch up.

If he suggests leaving early, I will encourage it. If I cannot bear another minute I will ask him to go. Unless this markedly improve in the next 24 hours I probably will.

In the meantime, I feel utterly and completely sad right now and am trying my best not to cry. I don't know how any of you live with your MLC spouse I really don't. You are better people than me!
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Our Community / What am I dealing with here?
« Latest by Hopeful5 on Today at 12:47:33 PM »
My reasons for not initiating a divorce are 3 things.

1 - I love my W. I believe in long suffering, and the commitment I made in marriage. What if several months or years after a D she comes back around? Unlikely I know...
2 - I've said over and over to my kids that I don't believe in divorce. I think they'd hate me and lose respect for me if I was the one that initiated it.
3 - I have some serious religious and moral beliefs around divorce. The whole Idea of it is a complete moral and spiritual failure in my mind...

But, on the other side, my W has said clearly that she's done, and she doesn't love me. And she backs it all up with treating my like dog sh%$ every day in front of our kids. On top of it, we have some serious business and financial issues that she's completely uncooperative with and leaving me to try to resolve them all alone without any help or input by her... 

This is seriously the toughest spot I've ever been in... 
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Still following along, my friend.  And still two months ahead of you, LOL ::)

Alvin

Alvin!!! HA!!!  ;D

Two months ahead of me!!! NO WAY!!!!  ;)
How are you doing? I really need to catch up on your thread. I've been away so much, I don't even know how far back to go anymore.

-SS

Living best of my life too (if excluding some health woes ). And still growing and evolving to become best version me, LOL.

For better or worse my XW is still out there, with zero/minimum contact.  I guess it just shows how individual the MLCr timelines can be... But I'm definitely keeping my thumbs up for you two

Alvin
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Our Community / Just Getting Started in this Journey 3
« Latest by Helpnewc on Today at 05:00:53 AM »
Hi Baxter,

You seem in a good place. They are just so odd.

My wife went back to not using my name again in communications. I gently said I still have a name and it would be nice if you used it.

We settled property the week before December and the agreement is still not filed. At the time, it had to be done in a week and then nothing. To use my brother in laws language they are cooked in the head.

My daughter is 10 on Sunday. She is having a party with her friends. I am invited but a bit like the Dixie Chicks I am not ready to play nice. I have explained to my eldest I can’t manage it emotionally and she was sad but understood.

My relationship with my kids is very much improved. There is still a bit of parental alienation going on but I find by taking the high road I am winning that one.

But mostly I just miss my family being together. And that’s ok.

Stay strong.
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Our Community / Just Getting Started in this Journey 3
« Latest by UrsaMajor on Today at 02:12:19 AM »
Quote from: Baxter1
A couple of days after she filed she came up to me and said she needed a hug.  (We haven’t had physical contact of any kind in about a year). We had the longest, tightest hug I think we’ve ever had, it was a 5 minute hug.
You are a bigger person than I am.... After I got served with her D papers, my MLCxW asked for something similar and my response was that, since her divorce was in process, we no longer had that kind of relationship and left it at that.
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Quote from: MourningDove
S answered and he had stopped by Xh's who decided to take him out for dinner and then asked him for a favor for the following night.
So, the patterns (do something nice and then ask for something in return) continues..... Nice to know MLCxH is consistent in at least that....

Quote from: MourningDove
Xh insisted he wanted to do this for me. That was at the time.
<...snip...> 
I even recall asking my SIL (the one I still talk to), who was there, if she remembered that and she laughed, saying they were the ones who orchestrated it and Xh was the ringleader.

Hmmmmmm Projection anyone? Since it couldn't be all about him.....

Quote from: MourningDove
It dawned on me that artwork is very much like my life. I have lost parts and recovered some. I have a history I can't just erase, and I don't want to forget it all. It happened. Yet, I can breathe new life into it and still hold on to some memories. The artwork won't go back into the wine cellar, as I think it needs to be somewhere that reminds of just that when life seems to kick me. I want to believe that piece ended up back in my possession for a reason.

That sounds like a) a plan (to put it somewhere visible as I do not expect that you are spending all THAT much time in the Wine Cellar) and b) GOOD karma that it found it's way back to you and that the original frame could be salvaged/repaired...
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Our Community / Links/Blogs/Articles for us all to share 10
« Latest by JohnnyBravo on May 01, 2024, 09:15:23 PM »
Interesting discussion on creating mental illnesses for character traits (reification, and I'm an engineer, not a writer, so this is a lousy summary) as a way to remove people's responsibility for their actions.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhoDnp2qA24
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What a wonderful post MD,

I love the idea of the artwork retaining some of it's original housing, much like when you see tastefully modernised buildings in the continent when a wing has been added to a really old church or similar . It feels totally right, new sitting next to old, as a nod to the past and a look to the future too.

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