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Our Community / What am I dealing with here?
« Latest by Hopeful5 on May 16, 2024, 04:12:41 PM »
Hi hopeful5,

The big question is how are you reacting? How are you making sure your and kids wellbeing is not compromised in this abusive enviroment. 


The best I can do right now is no contact. The most peace our family can have is for us to not communicate at all, which is still incredibly broken and dysfunctional. As far as boundaries, I've told her and the kids that her behavior is unacceptable, but she doesn't give a sh%$.  I've tried communicating important info via text/email, but she won't even answer those.  She literally acts like I don't exist. I've been waiting for her to serve the D papers but nothing yet. She paid a legal retainer in Feb.  If at all possible, I want her to be the one to file for the divorce and take the angry fallout from the kids. This is ALL her deal. I do have my limits though, and I won't let things drag on forever like this...

It's not healthy for this type of abuse to go on.
The kids will either take abuse like this when they are older or dish it out thinking it's love.
Abuse isn't love.
Emotional abuse might be common but you do not have to put up with it. MLC or whatever her issue is there is no excuse for abuse.
You didn't do anything to cause it. No one deserves to be abused

I completely agree. This is the most absurd thing I've ever experienced. The kids are so confused right now, because they see how she treats me, but then she blames me for it all. They love their mom and me. It's all a total mindfu$% for them.

Omfg Hopeful do you know my wife?   You just described her to her core.  It’s scary accurate. 

I’ve been dealing with this mental torture for over 2 years.   I have more good days than bad these days, but every now and again she still manages to get her claws in me. 

Sadly this seems to be all too common with MLC'ers.  The mental damaged caused by this is unreal, and at times its all so subtle -- rude and disrespectful behavior just picking away at your soul. The saddest part is the kids. My W used to be an amazing mother, and she still thinks she is.  Garbage like this is destroying the kids idea of marriage and her relationship with them. It's already completely destroyed her relationship with our oldest.

I think I've come to terms with the fact that this is the way it is. She's changed and most likely will never return to the sweet, loving W that I was married to for 23 years. I'm also accepting that her behavior is ABUSE, highly toxic and has created a terrible environment to live in. My kids are being taught that this is normal, and it's not okay.
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It's also pretty normal to remember good times and romanticize the relationship at this point for you.

What you need to come to terms with now is you want someone more honest than he is. Someone who has some morals and character. Raise your standards.
And no this was not a mature normal break up.

I've read that at the end of a relationship is who they really are.
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We are all very sorry that this has happened to you. Right now, you are still in love with the man you knew and nothing we can say can ease that heartbreak. If we could, we would, bc we have all been there.

You don’t say how old you are? In your 30s? Without diminishing how you feel right now, or the seriousness of your commitment to the relationship, there are some blessings. As in it said, you are not navigating this through the rubble of children or decades of a legally entwined life. Right now, that’s not going to feel like much comfort but in time you will see that it is.

I don’t know if your partner is an MLC situation or just an unfolding of poor character. Hell, I’m not even sure about my own xh, so I’m in no position to judge your situation lol! Each LBS here tends to need a good chunk of time to work that out for themselves. What I will say though is, regardless of that, the medicine is much the same…..accept current realities as they are, lick your wounds, step far away from things that cause you any more damage and step towards things that make you feel even 1% better as long as they don’t create more chaos for you or anyone else. Breathe. Take your time. Do nothing reactively bc feelings are not fixed. Be kind to yourself. And let yourself get to the point when you can get in your bones two simple things….that his actions, MLC or not, are about who he is not who you are….and that there are limits to what any of us can control or influence wrt others, and thus what we should hold ourselves responsible for.
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Well it sounds like all that cockiness and arrogance got magnified.
We all have flaws and toxic traits
However there needs to be a limit of what you put up with. You can only be so kind, caring, go -with- the- flow and patient. You teach people how to treat you.
Boundaries

I think you dodged a bullet not marrying him.
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Our Community / I Had a Midlife Crisis
« Latest by KayDee on May 16, 2024, 09:15:30 AM »
Thank you MLC50.
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Our Community / living is an opportunity
« Latest by UrsaMajor on May 16, 2024, 08:32:41 AM »
Rack another vote for Option 5 -

In the words of a great philosopher ho was attending an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting in 1981 (it is often incorrectly attributed to Albert Einstein),
"Insanity is doing the same thing over again and expecting a different result."

You have been there, done that, gotten the T-Shirt and it didn't even fit. Why do it again?

 These things have a way of coming back to haunt the person doing them so I'd recommend sitting back, grabbing some pop corn and wait for karma to do the work God has given it to do. It will all come out at some point. Given your Bishop's recalcitrance at actually DOING anything anyway aside from waggling his finger at the priest, I'm not sure if it would do any good anyway to expose them further.

As for Option 4, unless God has given you the ability to either read minds or see into the future, you DON'T know what her plans are... You ASS-U-ME what her plans are (and you very well may be 100% correct) but it is still an assumption without proof so confronting her is about as useful as going outside into the path of a tornado, yelling at it, waving your arms at it, and expecting it to change is course.....
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Our Community / living is an opportunity
« Latest by KayDee on May 16, 2024, 08:23:44 AM »
I think No.5 is a winner! And actually, as the brilliant ForTheTrees often told me - doing nothing is often a form of doing something. Resisting the baser urges? Rising above it? But also, perhaps you redeploy the energies you would have expended skulking around the airport, or writing a letter to OM's boss, into something positive. A treat for the kids? Work out exactly how long 1) would take you and purposefully spend that time doing something wonderful. Just a suggestion.

Final point, documenting their affair will put you slap bang into a drama triangle. And drama triangles can crank up the excitement of the affair. Better to let it become vanilla on its own  8)
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Our Community / Please, help me…
« Latest by KayDee on May 16, 2024, 08:14:33 AM »

I don't understand it, still don't. Sometimes I wonder if I could have saved my relationship by doing things differently, because I also understand that a sad, insecure and distrustful girlfriend cannot win against a mistress. She won and I wasn't good enough… I don't know how to deal with this feeling. I find the loss of the children extremely difficult, because I am no longer part of a part of their lives.

He lives his life. He moved in with her quite quickly and looks happy and calm. He is satisfied with the (minimal) interaction with the children. I'm in sackcloth and ashes trying to get myself through the days. I'm afraid that she will take my place with the children and I will lose my children. These are his words... So far I haven't been able to let this go. I live in fear, every day.

She is everything I am not. I'm just normal. She is slim, always made up and her hair done, lots of tattoos. He also has a tattoo since last week, although he never liked it before.

I no longer exist for him. My feelings don't matter, he doesn't congratulate me on my birthday or wish me a happy Mother's Day. Why? I try to continue to act normal, to do the best I can for our children.


Hello Peg, I wonder if you can clarify something - reading this ^^ it seems like your children are with your spouse and OW?  If that is so, maybe you need some extra support regarding custody rights etc.

Regarding the looking happy and calm - that will projected outwards to begin with because they have staked so much on their fabulous choices. But usually it's a loada tosh and the dynamic with the Instant Replacement type OW/OM is usually dysfunctional and eventually falls apart. But, as Ready says 'who cares' - well, we do, to begin with, but a good way to overcome that is to not look at it or hear about it. Let it sink itself.

He doesn't observe your birthday or other occasions because he knows he has done a terrible thing, he feels guilty and not so deep down, ashamed. If he is like a lot of avoidant spouses described on this forum (mine included) he will just shut it all out. You know, like that junk cupboard at home that you can't face dealing with. Shut the door and don't go in there. Eventually, because you keep stuffing stuff in there, the door will bust open and it will all fall out. That's not for you to worry about. Make your own celebration plans - day out with friends, go to the beach with the kids. Whatever you enjoy. Have no expectations from your spouse. Drop all that for now. You do not need him to make you happy. I know that is so hard to hear when you feel so unhappy. You are grieving, and grieving is its own journey. Not generally linear, but mostly we progress forward and out eventually. Grab the moments of joy, they will increase with time. Hugs - KD
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Our Community / Please, help me…
« Latest by titleholder on May 16, 2024, 07:37:27 AM »
Hey Peg!

I can totally relate to everything ready has said to you (he has been a great help in my journey as LBS)! I also had a young MLC'er (33 at time of BD) and a 1 year old daughter.

The only advice I can give you from personal experience is that you make sure you take care of you and your childeren! With the help of Hero Spouse I've made decisions early on in my journey that benifited that. For me that was making him decide between fighting for our marriage or leave after 3 months post BD and eventually divorcing him 5 months after BD and with that most of the custody of my daughter and owning our home.

It's incredibly sad and I still mourn the loss of my marriage and my family. But my xH is still nowhere near the end of the tunnel and with the decisions I've made and the boundaries I've put me and my daughter have an incredible stable life, emotional and financial.

You can always read my topics, maybe they help you! And if you ever want to talk you can DM me!
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Our Community / Please, help me…
« Latest by readytofixmyselffirst on May 16, 2024, 06:46:51 AM »
Hello,

I am so sorry that you are here, but it is a great place to get advice and how to navigate a new norm. My best advice is to get your house in order. Take care of and protect your finances. MLCers are notorious about burning through money. You may have to seek legal advice.

Take the eye off of him and OW. Who cares? You need to focus on your self care and your children. Right now it is hard, but try to find moments of bliss, little tidbits of joy. That is what you build on. Sleep, eat, and a little exercise to get you out of your rut. Once again, this is about you reclaiming you and that no matter what happens, in the end, you will be fine.

Keep posting. Post at least one good moment you had today.

This is a long journey and it takes lots of time. So use it to be good to yourself and your children.

((((Ready))))

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