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Our Community / Re: Picking up the pieces of my broken heart
« Latest by forthetrees on Today at 05:29:56 AM »
You might be able to get him to sign an additional document with the clause protecting your ownership rights while he is still in the phase of feeling some guilt and not wanting to look like the bad guy. Realistically why would he want to come to the cabin if you are separated and he would have to be the ultimate $h!te to make you buy him out or sell to give him "his share." BUT... I never stopped being surprised by the next new low that came my way.

If the trigger for filing for a D is after he buys the expensive car, that is too late. I get it, I truly get it, you don´t want to be the one to rock the boat or do anything to jeopardize the reconciliation. Unfortunately he has already put it all in jeopardy and at this point you are trying to safeguard what is left. The track record on this site is that those who acted sooner got better deals than those who waited it out longer. Usually that is due to an OW pressuring the MLCer to short the LBS so that she can benefit from the deal.
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Our Community / Picking up the pieces of my broken heart
« Latest by Arcticfox on Today at 04:13:43 AM »
The cabin thing is kind of stupid.

My parents gifted half to me and half to my sister as they are getting older and the upkeep was too much for them so it was stressing them out. This gift giving and signing the papers happened 9/2024. So H had already fallen head over heels forWW! I discussed with him is it okay that my parents gift me half of the cottage and H okeyed it. Had I known of his infatuation I would have adviced my parents differently!

In their testaments, spousal rights to inherited property are denied from spouses of daughters. But as they gifted me my half of the cabin they left that clause out of the papers, as H has helped fix and build things at the cabin and he was supposed to be the worlds’ most trustworthy man and the guy who would do most of the repairs there in the future (my sister’s spouse is no good). And also my parents wanted to show H they appreciate everything he did there while they still owned the cabin.

Well stupid is an understatement in this case but I cannot think of a better word.
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Our Community / Picking up the pieces of my broken heart
« Latest by Arcticfox on Today at 03:45:53 AM »
Hi Ursa,

I got a genuine belly laugh out of your explanation! That was good for me. And in addition it makes perfect sense  ::)

Me and H are both MiB fans btw, we rewatched the movies this spring. Funny, how we like the same things. Same taste in music and films, and we both like board games, nature trails, crosswords and sudokus. But at the marriage counselor he said, he has been thinking what it would be like to do those things we do together, with somebody else. Now where is the exploding brain smiley when I NEED it?!

Uh oh when he predicted that he will drink himself to depression and total ruin I just thought that in addition to being sad in itself, that would also mean he can’t support me and the kids financially. But it never crossed my mind that I might end up supporting him. But it is true if he spends down all he has he will be entitled to half of my half of what we own atm. And I could indeed from what I read, be obligated to support him even after divorce, if he is unable to make a living , even if the kids do not stay with him. (But only if he was already that way before D)I do not actually think he will let himself go that way but then again I remember being surprised by him before.

So I guess I need to discuss with the lawyer, and probably have the divorce paper ready and discuss which triggers should make me actually file. Like maybe, buying an expensive Audi would cause me to file immediately (before he totals the car). Something like that. Only it will be difficult to know what he is doing as we don’t live together and have little contact.

This is difficult.

As for today, we were eating breakfast and I saw him chatting on his cellphone in their workplace chat and WW was there. Didn’t want to appear interested at all so I couldn’t crane my head so I would have seen what was discussed. I just started doing a crossword puzzle and he leaned over to do that with me. I also just now got a compliment on looking sexy. None of this has any meaning to me.
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Our Community / There can be an XW or XH, but never ex-children
« Latest by MadLuv on July 14, 2025, 08:44:20 PM »
So true Offroad. Thank you for the reflections and insights. I do think D34 should be in a more mature place. It’s funny because she can be very mature, but if it is upsetting or emotions are involved she looses all rationale. What I have noticed is that in the past year I have not buckled to it and it does seem that she does circle back around and each time it does seem that she can handle a little more and is starting to realize that maybe, just maybe she is starting to push me to no return.

 It was my birthday last week and I stated to a few close friends that it would be the opportunity for her to break the silence. She unblocked  me on social media ( that alone was immature and controlling) and I think she thought I would reach out, but I did not. The day after my birthday she messaged me and  and said Happy Birthday. We were so sorry we missed it, but with the baby days role into each other.  Etc etc.

We have her cousins coming in 2 weeks for 4 days and I knew she would need to mend things with me. She continued to message me throughout the day with light chatter. I think she needed the awkwardness to not be there. I do know that O am now not willing to discuss what happened as that door is closed. She shut things down and I just want to move forward. I will also shut down any talks on her father. Thats their relationship or non relationship and he and I have none. I am no longer willing to be the therapist in the situation.

So we shall see how next week goes. At least she broke the silence. That is a first. I felt I needed to stand firm on the disrespect and I am glad for what ever reason I didn't have to be the peace maker again. Im looking forward to a nice family weekend. A full house.  It’s a rarity since the MLC bomb blew up our world.

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Our Community / Should I go on vacation with my MLCer?
« Latest by TheShore on July 14, 2025, 08:22:35 AM »
I had a feeling come over me…almost like the clock is ticking.  Or a realization that there probably won’t be enough time for her to get through her MLC before D.  Sure there is time, probably will take 9-12 months if I had to guess if it all goes down.  And I’ve heard stories of people dismissing on the day of. W could pause/dismiss at any time, but I guess I’ve come to accept that fate.  I’ve realized it’s never been a need and only a want.  I just hope that with detaching that the want doesn’t dwindle to a point where then I don’t want to R. 

First off.....


Second, MLC is an ultra-marathon slog through mud that has the consistency of Tar.... This is not a "9-12 months) time span..... If the circumstantial evidence here is any indication, the "normal MLC" runs in the area of 5-9 YEARS. so if the D is coming in less than a year, there is virtually NO way in Hades that she's going to be even close to getting through the first stages in a year, let alone returning to realty from Schmoopie-land.

Is "Zit popping" really part of your duties now that she has decided that you are 2nd cousin to Beelzebub? Married partners might do this for one another but, if she has decided to end the marriage... well... You have been fired (or relieved) relieved from duties as Zit Popper in Chief.... whether she is casting an eye on your junk or not is irrelevant, as is having her girls hanging out there on display.... This could be nothing more than an attempt to see if she can still get a rise out of you after treating you like a 5-week old dead fish....

Thanks for the reply Ursa... always good to get a bonk to get the brain back on track.  It just gets confusing sometimes... W is completely distant/don't even know her during part of the day... then a switch will flip in her and it's like back to enjoying life together as H+W/as a family.  So strange.

Sunday birthday activities concluded with Top Golf... W reached out an joined us?!?
Then I hit the pool at the athletic club with the kiddoz... W went on a FB Marketplace run to buy a piece of wall art (looks like something a 17 year old would like, whatever), but then she sent me a text and joined us at the pool?!?
Came back home and later that night D10 played happy birthday on the piano and we ate cookies and cupcakes.  Kiddoz gave me their cards and the gift they bought me.  W did actually get me something and got me a hat that she just handed to me (definitely not her typical gift giving where it would be in a bag along with a bunch of other stuff like clothes, candy, thoughtful message, etc...).  Felt very last minute.

I really enjoy everyone's comments - all are welcomed, thanks in advance.
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Our Community / Should I go on vacation with my MLCer?
« Latest by UrsaMajor on July 14, 2025, 07:18:15 AM »
I had a feeling come over me…almost like the clock is ticking.  Or a realization that there probably won’t be enough time for her to get through her MLC before D.  Sure there is time, probably will take 9-12 months if I had to guess if it all goes down.  And I’ve heard stories of people dismissing on the day of. W could pause/dismiss at any time, but I guess I’ve come to accept that fate.  I’ve realized it’s never been a need and only a want.  I just hope that with detaching that the want doesn’t dwindle to a point where then I don’t want to R. 

First off.....


Second, MLC is an ultra-marathon slog through mud that has the consistency of Tar.... This is not a "9-12 months) time span..... If the circumstantial evidence here is any indication, the "normal MLC" runs in the area of 5-9 YEARS. so if the D is coming in less than a year, there is virtually NO way in Hades that she's going to be even close to getting through the first stages in a year, let alone returning to realty from Schmoopie-land.

Is "Zit popping" really part of your duties now that she has decided that you are 2nd cousin to Beelzebub? Married partners might do this for one another but, if she has decided to end the marriage... well... You have been fired (or relieved) relieved from duties as Zit Popper in Chief.... whether she is casting an eye on your junk or not is irrelevant, as is having her girls hanging out there on display.... This could be nothing more than an attempt to see if she can still get a rise out of you after treating you like a 5-week old dead fish....
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Our Community / Picking up the pieces of my broken heart
« Latest by UrsaMajor on July 14, 2025, 07:03:34 AM »
@ things struck me....

First - Your MLCH is now inhabited by this guy (you have to be a "Men In Black" fan here)


Or, if you aren't familiar with that movie, this guy ("Invasion of the Body Snatchers")


He is no longer your H. Like you noted., the body walks and talks like H and, while the lights are on, there is no one home....

Second, the math thing...
His brain has....


If at all possible, you need to get things legally separated, especially if he's talking about a new car. An Audi (In Germany, we say that an Audi is a car with 5 zeros - 4 on the grill and one behind the wheel) or Benz will set him back 30K+ for a used one that is less than 3 years old - They are NOT cheap.

While not discussing finances with him is akin to not poking the bear, at some point, the rubber needs to meet the road and he will have to be made painfully aware of the consequences of the actions that he is taking - those include supporting his kids, ensuring that he can support himself (once he moves out, you need to make sure that if he DOES drink himself into a depression that YOU don't end up getting stuck paying for him..... )

Like Treasur said, the meeting with a lawyer is for info only. You do not need to retain them or even start a process but you NEED to know where you stand and what rights you have. Just because he is going off into la la land fantasizing about doing the Mattress Mambo with Fantasy OW, doesn't mean that he gets  "Get out of all responsibilities " Free card ( you know, like the "Get Out of Jail Free" card in Monopoly).  This is real life now and not some fantasy land where the clouds are all made of cotton candy, there are little fluffy  puppy dogs with waggely tails everywhere and unicorns running around farting clouds of rainbow glitter.

He can demand all he wants but knowing what he can actually get is going to be , for you, VERY important information. The cabin thing is a perfect example. If your parents built it and have given you a 50% share, does that share really need to be split? Did you have that before the marriage? There are LOTS of questions that need to be answered. Things like his "secret Investment Stash of Cash" for example. Likely there may be (or will be when the investments are sold) taxes due. Who pays them? Since you didn't know about the secret stash, you shouldn't be on the hook unless you are going to reap the benefits....
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Our Community / Picking up the pieces of my broken heart
« Latest by Arcticfox on July 14, 2025, 05:34:10 AM »
Thank you again Treasur and forthetrees!

All the comments on this thread are so good, I keep going back and rereading them.

I guess I need to be a grown woman and lawyer up. I will schedule a meeting with the second lawyer that was recommended to me. Very good points and ideas for what to discuss with the lawyer. Will write them up and take notepaper and pen with me. And I will also stare the beast in the eye and calculate a monthly budget for me and the kids living in our house.

I have been feeling so overwhelmed and bewildered (and frankly beaten and stomped on even though there has been NO physical violence) that it is hard to function but this is something that needs to be done soon. I have been concentrating on my feelings and emotional survival but this Forum has helped me so much you don´t believe it (or maybe you do) and I realize it is time to think of finances going forward. (The biggest impact this charade has on the boys, but I cannot even let those thougts enter my consciousness or I become so mad that *I* want to divorce immediately and break things and scream! But seeing the lawyer is also helping the kids.)

H does not indeed have any written or verbal plan, originally after BD he was like: i will rent a cheap small studio and go there to think about my life and probably drink awful lot and become so depressed I can´t work. (BD was after WW had the same day told H that she doesn´t want PA and she has repeated that at a later date).

Okay so I said that you are a father and that isn´t possible. He then thought he would come visit the kids ar our house. I told him he can´t just come and go as he pleases and date women or drink all the rest of the time. I suggested living in the house week/week and getting the studio for him for every other week and on his child weeks I could have stayed at my parents´. So the kids could live at home all the time. Of course this wasn´t what he wants as he could not then have made it appear to WW that we are divorced. So, he ended up getting a bigger flat and agreeing on a week/week arrangement. I agreed because at that point I was so mad and thought I need child-free time to date too. I have since changed my mind and would like to have the boys more, as him having them so much is only going to make running the everyday life more difficult and I know he is not up to doing half of the life admin. Oh well, i need to step back as much as possible and only intervene if it looks like one of the kids will truly suffer. A missed friend´s birthday or going to school at the wrong time and missing a field trip will not be my responsibility on dad week.

H has no plan for finances, car, dog, anything! If I try to discuss he will be demanding more and more to himself or accusing me of greediness so I have stopped discussing these things with him. I am kinda hoping that he will keep paying the mortgage and leave the car if we just don´t discuss things any more. (I know seeing a lawyer will help.) It seems he just needs to run away from me in some kind of panic? (Funny that he can spend time as family at the cabin however?)

Also at the cottage H is almost all the time like his old self, but his brain is NOT functioning normally. For example two days ago I was playing chess with S8 (now 9). H came to observe. H is better at chess than me or the kid, but as he would comment on our moves he couldn´t keep it in his mind for two moves who is playing white and who is playing black? Ok I don´t know is his brain is just this messed up, or if he is thinking of WW and/or the tinder women all the time, but that is not normal for him. He is normally very good at board games and math and can concentrate totally on stuff like that. There have been several instances when he cannot count a simple thing like 5+4+2 is more than 6+3? He practically did math for a living before his new position at work!
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Our Community / Re: Picking up the pieces of my broken heart
« Latest by forthetrees on July 13, 2025, 03:23:09 PM »
Some possible questions for the lawyer:

Is it worth documenting the back pain? I ask bc maybe that shows a limitation in the number of days you are expected to work or for how many more years

Is it worth documenting your current standard of living PRIOR to taking on more hours? I ask bc in the US it would factor into alimony and child support payments.

How can you secure the cabin? Does it matter if it was yours prior to marriage or received as inheritance after getting married?

How do you account for the monies that he kept hidden? Do you strike while the iron is hot and he hasn´t yet spent that on mid-life "must haves"?

Is there the ability to be legally separated but not yet divorced? Would that safeguard you from his debts and safeguard your monies?

As a stranger many miles away I beg of you to get the legal advice that will secure your financial future in the sturdiest way EVEN IF it means you being the one to file for separation or divorce. I know that the fear is that if you file he will interpret it as done forever but they are so frikin wishy washy in their thinking that you have to do what is best for you. If you do file, you could say that you did it in order to ensure that they kids have security and that if he makes his way back your door is open. I don´t know if this image helps or is even applicable but it is what has come to mind: Your marriage is a boat. For some reason he pulled the plug in the bottom of the boat. Water is pouring in. Do you wait for him to say put on life jackets since he´s the one who caused the crisis or do you act in your best interest to save yourself and the kids? It is time to deal with the reality of the now and that means doing whatever it takes to protect yourself.
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Our Community / Help Please 5
« Latest by TheShore on July 13, 2025, 05:54:23 AM »
It helped me to, repeatedly, say to myself 'why I am feeling bad for someone else's actions'.  I too was hoping (I gave up expectations really early into this festival) for some sort of apology, especially after my xH eventually realised it was him, and that he was, to quote him 'going through something'. He even told me he was ashamed and didn't know why he did certain things. But then he hardened his shell again, and did more bad. And this is the thing, we cannot hang our coats on anything a fractured person does or says alas. Because the are all over the place emotionally. If we are able, we can be kind. We can try to empathize, but we cannot expect anything from them. For me, keeping my values and integrity was important to my own healing. I did not want to pickle in my own bitter juices. :)

My second wave of peace came when I got an apology for myself. I know, as well as one can, what happened. I know that what happened was not my fault. I was a good wife and partner. Good enough, that is....

The only comment that I have is on the first part... I personally feel bad for my kids.  They didn't choose this but will feel the effects.  They are going from a great mom and family to idk what you want to call it...

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