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Title: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Mermaid on July 16, 2010, 02:37:18 AM
As many people here know, the psychologist Carl Jung held that ML was part natural development and the key to individuation.

What people may not know is that he was very spiritual, religious, and he also used the I Ching to help him find the answers that he needed. This ancient Chinese oracle works on the basis of synchronity (meaningful coincidences) in psychic treatment.

The I Ching, or book or changes, consists of 64 texts representing the stages of life, each with advice on how a wise person would negotiate the challenges of each stage. A text is chosen by 3 throwing coins together, or yarrow stalks, and the combination of Heads and tails builds up male, female or changing lines. For example, heads, heads, tails is an unbroken, male line = _______ . Tails, tails heads is a broken (female) line: ____  _____. 3 heads or 3 tails are changing lines. The coins are thrown 6 times, while asking a question ("What is the best attitude to take to my situation") and a set of 6 lines, or a hexagram, is built. (Alternatively, this can be done online, for example at http://www.ichingonline.net/)

We gain insight by reading the text indicated by the hexagram, and looking in at ourselves to see the truth of our situation. I have found it to be invaluable over the years, especially at points of change in my life.  (see also http://www.carl-jung.net/iching.html; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Ching)

Today I asked: How can I deal with my current situation with H: I gotthe answer Hexagram 21: biting through /reform" The merciless, searing judgement of Lightning fulfils the warning prophecies of distant Thunder. Sage rulers preserved Justice by clearly defining the laws, and by delivering the penalties decreed. Though unpleasant, it is best to let justice have its due. SITUATION ANALYSIS: A terrible reckoning is due. A wrong will be righted -- and even if it has been you who has been wronged, you will tremble at the terrible power of Justice untempered by Mercy. Pray for your oppressor, that his punishment will fit his crime."
So this is about justice, standing up for oneself, overcoming an injustice that forms a barrier between individuals.

From my Iching workbook, it suggests a further interpretation. "There could not be a more appropriate time to examine your character and to determine the extent to which any delusions, rationalizations, or habits have usurped control of your judgement. Know what you want, know what makes you feel good about yourself, an what brings you into harmony with others."
Good advice.
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: LifeGoesOn on July 18, 2010, 10:58:20 PM
Thanks for posting this M!
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Voyager on July 18, 2010, 11:06:39 PM
Hi Mermaid
I used I Ching in the past, but I haven't used it for a long time, so your post may be a timely prompt for me to use it again. I found when using it that specific questions were better than very vague or long term ones. Would you agree?xx
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Mermaid on July 19, 2010, 02:12:28 AM
Exactly. Our questions should be as immediate and as specific as possible. It works better if we ask questions about the best attitude to take or best thing to do for specific situations.

I often do this daily, and look for the truth if what it says within myself, rather than treating this as a game or a horoscope. The interesting thing is how very wise it seems.

Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: MarkedandHealed on July 19, 2010, 04:08:57 AM
The problem I have with the Iching and tarot is that it changes each time you do it. In other words, if you draw a card or do the geometry twice in a row, you get different results. I know it's supporters have an answer for this and that they say fate changes from moment to moment, yet how can it be so radically different in just a moment?

I strongly believe in intuition and psychic abilities, I have always had them myself to some degree or other, more strongly as a child than now. However, these two methods just seem unreliable to me.
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Mermaid on July 19, 2010, 04:28:26 AM
It's not really about fate. It's about synchronicity, meaningful coincidences.  If we play with it, we get nonsensical answers. Most importantly, it's about the way we read into the texts, how we reflect on ourselves and our behaviour.

The Iching gives sage advice about all the stages of life, like seasons of a year. The answers we get are different ways of looking at the same thing from different angles (in time/space). We know the truth of these answers from looking inside ourselves. The symbolism of the Iching can draw insights from our unconscious mind; if we reflect on these symbols, ideas float to the surface and we become aware of aspects that we may not have considered, or not to give more importance too.
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Rollercoasterider on July 19, 2010, 04:53:50 AM
Quote from: MarkedandHealed
The problem I have with the Iching and tarot is that it changes each   time you do it.
Given your intuitive experience, perhaps this is not the stumbling block but as a student of Science are you trying to apply Scientific method in which something must be testable, repeatable, observable and falsifiable?I understand your issue, but it seems that it is only a problem when those tools are used in certain ways. I feel they are beneficial tools for breaking through analysis paralysis and thus tapping into one's own intuition. In that way different cards will give me different ways of thinking the same situation and thus have the benefit of broadening my perspective. As Mermaid said...
Quote from: Mermaid
It's about the way we read into the texts, how we reflect on ourselves   and our behaviour.
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: MarkedandHealed on July 19, 2010, 09:09:57 AM
Hmm, interesting perceptions. I'll have to play around with that some more.
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Mermaid on July 21, 2010, 07:30:08 AM
I asked the oracle today what attitude I should take to H and his refusal to give up OW at the moment. This is the answer that I got, which I think is important for us all at the moment:

61 - Sixty-One Chung Fu / Inner Truth
The gentle Wind ripples the Lake's surface:
The Superior Person finds common ground between points of contention, wearing away rigid perspectives that would lead to fatal error. Pigs and fishes. You may cross to the far shore. Great fortune if you stay on course.
SITUATION ANALYSIS:
The subject of this hexagram discovers a key to Tranquillity by first gaining insight into his own nature, then turning that vision outward. By resolving inner conflicts and being at peace with himself, he learns to gain insight into others. In effect, he enters another, sees with the other's eyes, listens with the other's ears, feels with the other's heart.
He then returns to his own centre, with new perspective and understanding.
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Trustandlove on July 21, 2010, 08:02:39 AM
That's interesting -- I may have to investigate this...

So it says that empathy is the thing to do, if I read it correctly?
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Mermaid on July 21, 2010, 10:37:35 AM
First.......... we have to understand ourselves, resolve our own inner conflicts,

then... understand the other (empathy),

finally return to your own centre with this new insight.

I've been given this reading many times in the past three months. I've taken it seriously and the result has been less conflict.
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Rollercoasterider on July 21, 2010, 01:27:34 PM
I would say that it is saying Self-Focus.
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Mermaid on July 22, 2010, 04:45:10 AM
The Superior Person finds common ground between points of contention, wearing away rigid perspectives that would lead to fatal error. Pigs and fishes. You may cross to the far shore. Great fortune if you stay on course.
My I Ching book says the following:
The image is of a gentle wind over a lake, stirring the surface of the water, indicating a heart free of prejudice and open to the truth. Self focus is vital, but here it also seemed to be asking me to look again at H's perspective as well as my own. "Pigs and Fishes" are difficult to influence, so the force of influence must grow before action is taken. And who is more difficult to influence than a MLCer? The whole secret of success is finding the right approach.

I arrived home, and H came to talk. I was feeling angry about OW, who H says is just a friend, and wondering whether I should now force him into a choice. It would not be right yet. Instead of feeling my  love, which I think I have given unconditionally, he feels pressured from all sides, even by me, even when I think I am not. OW gives him space, freedom, no pressure.

Here is my focus; less pressure on H, more understanding, as well as  taking more responsibility for my own happiness.
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Mermaid on August 12, 2010, 12:27:37 PM
Here's an I ching that could be for all of us. I asked about what attitude I should take to H, who has gone away for a few days. I need to transcend to a new existence... there is no going back, only forward.

6 – Six Sung / Conflict
 The high Heavens over a yawning Deep chasm: An expansive void where nothing can dwell. Even though he sincerely knows he is right, the Superior Person anticipates opposition and carefully prepares for any incident.  Good fortune if your conflict results in compromise. Misfortune if your conflict escalates to confrontation. Seek advice. Postpone your crossing to the far shore.
SITUATION ANALYSIS:
 Conflict is a necessary part of life. Tension upon the strings of a violin can make majestic music. The critical mass of two hydrogen atoms trying to occupy the same space fuel the sun that nourishes our solar system. Most conflicts you face in life are the result of your Path converging with another's. Your Path is not his, and one Path is not necessarily more right than the other. Can you work together to remove the blockage? Compassion should be used to heal any rifts within your relationship. Listen very carefully to anything your partner has to say.

This changes to:
47 - Forty-Seven K'un / Exhaustion
 A Dead Sea, its Waters spent eons ago, more deadly than the desert surrounding it: The Superior Person will stake his life and fortune on what he deeply believes.  Triumph belongs to those who endure. Trial and tribulation can hone exceptional character to a razor edge that slices deftly through every challenge. Action prevails where words will fail.
SITUATION ANALYSIS:
 This is the realm of the Shaman. You have exhausted every alternative, spent yourself completely, taxed body and mind beyond your former limits. Survival and salvation lie beyond your reach now. Only transcendence to a new existence -- a higher plane of being -- will see you through. The Old You is just a dry husk. You can't return to it. Metamorphosis is the only grace offered. You can only return to your homeland as a New You.
Overview: K'un appears when times are difficult as regards to your endeavors. It is a particularly dangerous time as you run the risk of falling into despair or getting depressed no matter how much you yearn for success. This can happen at any time and as issues are hard to deal with at such a time, K'un recommends that in future times like this should be prepared for well in advance.  
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Courageous wife on August 12, 2010, 05:49:07 PM
You are right...it does apply to all of us!
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: dawnlight on August 12, 2010, 11:07:53 PM
Mermaid, I followed your advice and tried the I Ching a few times. Every time I was amazed by the results!
Today I asked: "how should I behave when he comes back?" (H on holiday with ow)
Cast Hexagram:
26 - Twenty-Six Ta Ch'u / Recharging Power

Heaven's motherlode waits within the Mountain:
The Superior Person mines deep into history's wealth of wisdom and deeds, charging his character with timeless strength.

Persevere.
Drawing sustenance from these sources creates good fortune.
Then you may cross to the far shore.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:

There are important precedents in this situation.
Others have trodden this Path before you, overcoming the same obstacles facing you now, and making crucial decisions at the same crossroads.
Study their journals, watch for their trail markings.
Gain inspiration and wisdom from the heroes and learn from the mistakes of those who chose a sidepath.
All were Seekers, explorers whose daring mapped a course you can follow.
The words and deeds of the finest can imbue you with the courage necessary to face what lies before you.

Needless to say I’m already gaining inspiration from you all!!!! :)
Hugs
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Mermaid on August 13, 2010, 02:08:04 AM
Yes, that's quite amazing!

I've also found that the iChing repeats itself several times when I'm in the same situation.

The biggest advantage it has is that it gets us to reflect on our own behaviour. The philosophy beheind it is Taoist, so it is concerned with the harmony of the universe, and the natural process of change. This is what we have to face and accept; life is change, we have to adapt to it and use our energies appropriately in order to be in harmony with the cosmos.
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: LIVINSTRONG on August 13, 2010, 08:59:14 AM
This is fun.

my question: What should my attitude be toward  my husband who is living with a other woman.

Hex 15   ch'en/ modesty

The mountain does not overshadow the plain surrounding it: Such modest consideration in a superior person creates a channel through which excess flows to the needy.
            Success if you carry things through.

situation a.

The cosmos is moving toward equilibrium. Extremes are being tempered excess is begining to shift toward the empty.  You can use these moderating influences to strike a balance in the world around you.
Remember though that this leveling will not come about through an arrogant confiscation of excess, but through subtler persuasions.
                Modesty and moderation are the keys.

wow what do you think of that.
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Mermaid on August 13, 2010, 11:45:34 AM
I think the iChing seems like it is in tune with the philosophy of this forum!
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Love being on higher grounds on August 13, 2010, 12:14:17 PM
here is another...why do I have such a hard time understanding it??? someone help me out please???

question...will h move home soon

Cast Hexagram:

18 - Eighteen
Ku / Repairing the Damage

Winds sweep through the Mountain valley:
The Superior Person sweeps away corruption and stagnation by stirring up the people and strengthening their spirit.

Supreme success.
Before crossing to the far shore, consider the move for three days.
After crossing, devote three days of hard labor to damage control.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:

You are blessed with an opportunity to resuscitate that which others have abandoned as beyond repair.
This ruin wasn't caused by evil intention, but by indifference to decay.
Just by addressing yourself to the problem, you exhibit a new awareness, a fresh perspective.
This is a time of recovery, renewal, regeneration.
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Mermaid on August 13, 2010, 12:31:25 PM
Hi Lost,

To get the greatest benefit from the iChing, try to ask questions which help you reflect on your own attitudes and behaviour. (how can I... what attitude should I... What is the best...) The iChing is about balance within ourselves and our world. It can help us understand it as it is, and show us where it is going, but will not answer "yes" or "no". The answers are symbolic, so it's best to read them and then let your subconscious mind process them. If you need help understanding, go to this site:
http://www.psychic-revelation.com/reference/i_l/i_ching/hexagrams.html

Nevertheless, the image you have, of repairing what has been damaged, is one I have had several times. You R is damaged, and you need to understand the nature of the conflicts which undermined it. It gives you a clue: "This ruin wasn't caused by evil intention, but by indifference to decay." So things were going wrong that you hadn't noticed. There are obstacles to overcome so that the destructive cycle doesn't continue. You can only deal with those in yourself.

But you are standing, so " you are blessed with an opportunity to resuscitate that which others have abandoned as beyond repair." That means there is hope. You need to understand what attitudes YOU need in yourself "This is a time of recovery, renewal, regeneration"

I hope this helps, Lost! :)
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: StillStanding on August 13, 2010, 12:40:18 PM
SITUATION ANALYSIS:

You are blessed with an opportunity to resuscitate that which others have abandoned as beyond repair.
This ruin wasn't caused by evil intention, but by indifference to decay.
Just by addressing yourself to the problem, you exhibit a new awareness, a fresh perspective.
This is a time of recovery, renewal, regeneration.

My impression:
Line 1: Pretty straightforward -- you have a chance to fix something (your R) that others (your H) have given up on.
Line 2: Your R was not maliciously damaged, but problems were neglected.
Line 3: Attempting to deal with the issues is a positive step.

There should be a section of the I Ching that deals with future events. What does that say?

Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: StillStanding on August 13, 2010, 12:57:36 PM
Question: How can I deal with waiting for reconciliation?

Cast Hexagram:
25 - Twenty-Five
Wu Wang / Remaining Blameless

Thunder rolls beneath Heaven, as is its nature and place:
Sage rulers aligned themselves with the changing seasons, nurturing and guiding their subjects to do the same.

Exceptional Progress if you are mindful to keep out of the way of the natural Flow.
It would be a fatal error to try to alter its course.
This is a time of Being, not Doing.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:

This is thoroughly a matter of the heart.
If everything you attempt, no matter how carefully planned, ends in disarray, then examine your motives.
They are the cause of your predicament.
It isn't that your motives aren't pure -- even the best intentions will fail under these circumstances.
What stymies you in this situation is that you have a motive at all.
Free yourself of all expectations, release any tenuous grip you may have, and roll with it.
This is totally out of your control.
There are higher powers and more elements affecting the outcome of this situation than you can imagine.
Get out of their way.

Changing Lines:
There are Two Changing Lines.
An Old Yang for Line 1
An Old Yin for Line 2
The Old Yin prevails.

Hexagram Twenty-Five/Line Two:

Plow your field for a field well-plowed, not for possible harvests.
Clear the wasteland for land well-cleared, not for potential rich fields.

Such guileless enterprise can't help but succeed.

Transformed Hexagram:
6 - Six
Sung / Conflict

The high Heavens over a yawning Deep chasm:
An expansive void where nothing can dwell.
Even though he sincerely knows he is right, the Superior Person anticipates opposition and carefully prepares for any incident.

Good fortune if your conflict results in compromise.
Misfortune if your conflict escalates to confrontation.
Seek advice.
Postpone your crossing to the far shore.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:

Conflict is a necessary part of life.
Tension upon the strings of a violin can make majestic music.
The critical mass of two hydrogen atoms trying to occupy the same space fuel the sun that nourishes our solar system.
Most conflicts you face in life are the result of your Path converging with another's.
Your Path is not his, and one Path is not necessarily more right than the other.
Can you work together to remove the blockage?
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Love being on higher grounds on August 13, 2010, 01:32:19 PM
ss...that is pretty good!
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Courageous wife on August 14, 2010, 07:39:57 AM
Ok...I had to try this after reading all of yours...of course I dove right in there and asked if my H would return home...here is what I got

Cast Hexagram:

24 - Twenty-Four

Fu / Return

Thunder regenerates deep within Earth's womb:
Sage rulers recognized that the end of Earth's seasonal cycle was also the starting point of a new year and a time for dormancy.
They closed the passes at the Solstice to enforce a rest from commerce and activity.
The ruler himself did not travel.

You have passed this way before but you are not regressing.
This is progress, for the cycle now repeats itself, and this time you are aware that it truly is a cycle.
The return of old familiars is welcome.
You can be as sure of this cycle as you are that seven days bring the start of a new week.
Use this dormancy phase to plan which direction you will grow.


SITUATION ANALYSIS:

You are about to experience a rebirth -- about to be given another chance, a new lease on life.
You have persevered, gone the distance through an entire cycle -- through the Spring of hope or new passion, through a Summer of growth and building, only to be sacrificed like the archetypal Harvest King at the Autumn reaping.
You lie dormant like seed beneath Winter snows now, healing and absorbing new energies in preparation for the new young Spring coming shortly to your life.

The word cycling is what caught my eye!  H and I have been doing that since 2001.  Mermaid, SS..any thoughts????
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Still on August 14, 2010, 07:56:31 AM
I decided to give this a try.

Will my husband return to our marriage?

Cast Hexagram:

25 - Twenty-Five

Wu Wang / Remaining Blameless

Thunder rolls beneath Heaven, as is its nature and place:
Sage rulers aligned themselves with the changing seasons, nurturing and guiding their subjects to do the same.

Exceptional Progress if you are mindful to keep out of the way of the natural Flow.
It would be a fatal error to try to alter its course.
This is a time of Being, not Doing.


SITUATION ANALYSIS:

This is thoroughly a matter of the heart.
If everything you attempt, no matter how carefully planned, ends in disarray, then examine your motives.
They are the cause of your predicament.
It isn't that your motives aren't pure -- even the best intentions will fail under these circumstances.
What stymies you in this situation is that you have a motive at all.
Free yourself of all expectations, release any tenuous grip you may have, and roll with it.
This is totally out of your control.
There are higher powers and more elements affecting the outcome of this situation than you can imagine.
Get out of their way.


*******************

What I find interesting is that I, too, have felt that it is a time of just "being".
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Storm Rider on August 14, 2010, 09:24:17 AM
I asked

Is H in a fog?

Yü / Enthusiasm

Thunder comes resounding out of the Earth:
Similar thunder roars up from the masses when the Superior Person strikes a chord in their hearts.

Whip up enthusiasm, rally your forces, and move boldly forward.


SITUATION ANALYSIS:

There is a rhythmic force, a world music, that lives deep in the Unconscious of each of us.
It's a primitive drumbeat, a shaking rattle, a tribal chant that invokes the primal self to rise up and join the dance.
This is the enthusiasm that is generated now.
Not rhetorical persuasion, not a play on the emotions, but a charismatic, irresistible Call of the Wild.
Confucius said that the person who could comprehend this could 'rule the world as though it were spinning in his hand.'
This is a time for instinct, not intellect -- the Thunder from Beneath.
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Mermaid on August 14, 2010, 09:34:45 AM
SR, does this make sense to you? I think your question makes this answer hard to understand.
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Storm Rider on August 14, 2010, 09:42:40 AM
Mermaid,

To me it does. My question was, is H in a fog, is he seeing what he really wants to do now or not.

I read it as he could be following a charismatic, irresistible Call of the Wild, that's kind of MLC stuff to me. But of course we take out the bits that suit us to make our case!

I have not used I Ching before, but do enjoy reading ancient Chinese wisdom and have used Tarot etc quite a bit. Any system that relies on ancient well intended wisdom is always very helpful to meditate on.
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Mermaid on August 14, 2010, 02:59:14 PM
I'm glad it means something to you; the person asking the question is the one who should understand the answer!!
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Mermaid on August 14, 2010, 03:01:20 PM
I asked: "What do I need to do for H to come back?" The iChing told me this:
Pi / Grace
 Fire illuminates the base of the Mountain: The Superior Person realizes he has not the wisdom to move the course of the world, except by attending to each day's affairs as they come.  Success in small matters. This is a good time to begin something.
SITUATION ANALYSIS:
 The emphasis now is on form, not function -- on the sizzle and not the steak. The environment around you is not one of depth, and you are appreciated now for your image, not your essence. You perfectly fill a role, and no one is seeing the genuine you. Still, you are being listened to and watched. Use this influence to further your goals as much as possible. Even if you don't feel understood, you can perhaps connect with a few isolated hearts. Relax and enjoy the attention.
There are Four Changing Lines. Read the Upper NON-changing Line. Hexagram Twenty-Two/Line Six: Faultless grace is simple and pure.
64 - Sixty-Four Wei Chi / The End In Sight
 Fire ascends above the Water: The Superior Person examines the nature of things and keeps each in its proper place.  Too anxious the young fox gets his tail wet, just as he completes his crossing. To attain success, be like the man and not like the fox.
SITUATION ANALYSIS:
Resist the rush to completion. Anticipation of fulfilment may callous you before you have fully absorbed the lessons of the journey. The endpoint of this Quest will only prove to be the threshold for another. You are short steps from Mastery on this plane, yet you stride toward Ignorance of the challenges lying beyond. Savour this accomplishment. Fully Become. Take full possession of your world before embarking to discover the next one. That voyage begins soon enough, and you will reminisce about this one. These are the Good Old Days.
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: justasking on August 14, 2010, 03:42:14 PM
Well I couldn't resist this any longer and finally succumbed. I had never heard of this previously. I asked other questions but the inevitable!

Question
Will my husband and I be reconciled?

Answer

Hexogram 13 Social Mechanism

Heaven reflects the flame of clarity:
The superior person analyzes the various levels and working parts of
The social structure and uses them to advantage.
Success if you keep to your course.
You may pass to the other shore.

Situation analysis;

This is a matter of positioning … not only yourself, but others as well.
There are niches to be filled, potentials to be realised, right livelihoods to be found.
You are not building a new organisation, but shoring up an existing infrastructure.
It’s worth the effort, because it will provide union, community, and an ironclad alliance.

Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: StillStanding on August 14, 2010, 04:26:30 PM
I found this interesting on the I Ching Online site:
Quote
Decision-Making
The great Chinese warrior, Sun Tzu was heavily influenced by the I Ching when he wrote his brilliant Art of War, 2500 years ago.
Yet he would not let his officers consult the oracle when mapping strategy.
Why?
Because his lieutenants had fallen into the same trap that threatens anyone who uses the I Ching -- they began to use it for fortune-telling.
They would look for omens.
They would cast the coins to ask what direction to march, and read only the symbolic direction.
They were not tapping their own deeper knowledge with the tool.

Do not fall into this trap.
This is not a Ouija board.
There is no magic here.
This is a great psychological tool, if properly used.
Don't get lazy and ask it to lead you.
Hope that it keeps challenging you to reach for the grain of truth within the ambiguity of its symbols.
After a long consultation with the I Ching Online, you will emerge confident in the decision you have reached.
When trying to reach a decision, ask the oracle hard questions.
Are you right in your position?
What are the most likely consequences of each direction that might be taken?
What is the ethical choice?
What might be lost besides the obvious?
Where is your adversary most vulnerable?
What is the path of least resistance?
Is the prize worth the pain?
Are there unconsidered alternatives?

Mermaid said it before; this is better used as a tool for helping to discern the proper mindset or attitude to have approaching an issue, rather than for fortune telling, i.e., you'll get more meaningful results if you ask "how should I act around my spouse to improve interaction between us?" rather than "when will my spouse come out of MLC?"
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: StillStanding on August 14, 2010, 04:31:36 PM
My question for today is: "How should I feel about the rough times we've had this morning?" (We got into an argument over petty stuff earlier.)

Cast Hexagram:
20 - Twenty  Kuan / Contemplation

The gentle Wind roams the Earth:
The Superior Person expands his sphere of influence as he expands his awareness.
Deeply devoted to his pursuit of clarity and wisdom, he is unconscious of the inspiring, positive example he is setting for others to emulate.

You have cleansed yourself; now stand ready to make your humble, devout offering.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:
The situation marks a rising to new heights.
As you climb for a better view of the panorama, you make yourself more conspicuous to those below.
This hexagram is also known as the Watchtower, because the shape formed by its lines resembles the ancient guardposts manned by Chinese soldiers.
These towers were placed on mountainsides to give a better vantage point.
To those below, the watchtowers served as landmarks to help them find their way.
The quality of your search for clarity in this situation serves as such a guidepost for others along the Way.

Changing Lines:
There are Three Changing Lines.
The Middle Line applies.

Hexagram Twenty/Line Four:
Observe the leader firsthand to decide the worthiness of the cause.

Transformed Hexagram:
47 - Forty-Seven  K'un / Exhaustion

A Dead Sea, its Waters spent eons ago, more deadly than the desert surrounding it:
The Superior Person will stake his life and fortune on what he deeply believes.

Triumph belongs to those who endure.
Trial and tribulation can hone exceptional character to a razor edge that slices deftly through every challenge.
Action prevails where words will fail.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:
This is the realm of the Shaman.
You have exhausted every alternative, spent yourself completely, taxed body and mind beyond your former limits.
Survival and salvation lie beyond your reach now.
Only transcendence to a new existence -- a higher plane of being -- will see you through.
The Old You is just a dry husk.
You can't return to it.
Metamorphosis is the only grace offered.
You can only return to your homeland as a New You.
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Love being on higher grounds on August 15, 2010, 04:15:57 AM
Thanks Mermaid!

for the advice with this...is much more useful now!

hugs,
L
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Storm Rider on August 15, 2010, 09:18:10 AM
Still Standing,

Interesting that Sun Tzu was into I Ching, although I guess not unexpected! I love The Art of War, it is such an insightful book about how people deal with conflict. Its lessons apply just as much to working through every day life events, as well as battle strategies. I can definitely see the similarities between both teachings.

Very interesting that Sun Tzu banned I Ching before battles for those reasons.
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Mermaid on August 29, 2010, 05:18:41 PM
What is the best attitude to take to my H this week?

Walls meant to protect have instead separated and isolated.
Your defences have kept you apart from those whom you most need to touch.
Whatever the reason for discord between you, it is time to lay down your arms.
Dispel the inflexible demands and fears of the Mind so that you may reunite in the Heart.
If you have begrudged, forgive.
If you have torn down, repair.
If you have injured, heal.
If you have judged, pardon.
If you have grasped, let go.
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Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Trustandlove on August 29, 2010, 11:14:34 PM
OK, I finally investigated....

I asked "Can I influence his decision?"

I got:

Cast Hexagram:

7 - Seven

Shih / Recruiting Allies

Deep Water beneath the Earth's surface:
Untapped resources are available.
The Superior Person nourishes and instructs the people, building a loyal, disciplined following.
Good fortune.
No mistakes if you follow a course led by experience.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:

You must gain support from others.
Find a way to make others want to see your objectives met as badly as you want it.
How can they profit from the attainment of this goal?
Can you command confidence that you are just the person that can bring this plan to fruition?




Transformed Hexagram:

31 - Thirty-One
Hsien / Attraction

The joyous Lake is cradled by the tranquil Mountain:
The Superior Person takes great satisfaction in encouraging others along their journey.
He draws them to him with his welcoming nature and genuine interest.

Supreme success.
This course leads to marriage.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:

There is no greater natural law in the Cosmos than Attraction.
From the magnetic pull of an atom's nucleus to the centrifugal force that spirals a galaxy, the face of the universe is shaped by Attraction.
On a human scale, it is Attraction that fuels procreation and furthers our species.
Yet it is also Attraction that spawns greed and covetousness, threatening our extinction.
Attraction is the underlying force of the situation in question.
You are refined or debased by the objects of your desire.
What gravitational pull are you now under?
Around what sphere of influence do you circle?
Can you use your own ability to attract?

and the transformed hexagram:

Transformed Hexagram:

31 - Thirty-One
Hsien / Attraction

The joyous Lake is cradled by the tranquil Mountain:
The Superior Person takes great satisfaction in encouraging others along their journey.
He draws them to him with his welcoming nature and genuine interest.

Supreme success.
This course leads to marriage.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:

There is no greater natural law in the Cosmos than Attraction.
From the magnetic pull of an atom's nucleus to the centrifugal force that spirals a galaxy, the face of the universe is shaped by Attraction.
On a human scale, it is Attraction that fuels procreation and furthers our species.
Yet it is also Attraction that spawns greed and covetousness, threatening our extinction.
Attraction is the underlying force of the situation in question.
You are refined or debased by the objects of your desire.
What gravitational pull are you now under?
Around what sphere of influence do you circle?
Can you use your own ability to attract?


Trouble is, I didn't read the changing lines, then looked at the instructions again, and then of course the original bit was gone -- it doesn't get saved online.   so I don't know what those were or weren't. 

I then made what was probably a mistake, and asked the question again.  I got a different answer, which I didn't copy and save, but it was sort of along the same lines, saying that I had to nurture another along his journey; and the transformed hex said that it wasn't my journey, but another's, and that I had to "take comfort in becoming a fond memory"; to grasp, but not possess -- to let go. 

The changing lines said that a strong person helps another on his horse (or with his horse?).  So again, nurturing another. 

so similar, but contradictory at the same time. 

I know asking the same question twice  isn't a good idea. 

Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Trustandlove on August 30, 2010, 12:58:31 AM
Goodness, I hope this isn't going to become a new obsession.....  I've been reading more, understand that one shouldn't "test" the IChing, so I asked a question that was suggested; I realise also that it may apply to all of us:

I asked "Am I right in my position?"

This is what I got: 

Cast Hexagram:

39 - Thirty-Nine
Chien / Obstacle

Ominous roiling in the Crater Lake atop the Volcano:
When meeting an impasse, the Superior Person turns his gaze within, and views the obstacle from a new perspective.

Offer your opponent nothing to resist.
Let a sage guide you in this.
Good fortune lies along this course.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:

The Obstacle lies in obstinance.
An insistence on only one way of proceeding has brought things to an impasse.
You may either continue banging your head with irresistible force against this immovable object, or you might step back and survey this situation from a fresh perspective.
Which is immobile here -- the obstruction or your attitude?


Changing Lines:

There is One Changing Line.

Hexagram Thirty-Nine/Line Four:

Advance alone against insurmountable odds, or remain in place, gathering strength and allies.


Transformed Hexagram:

31 - Thirty-One
Hsien / Attraction

The joyous Lake is cradled by the tranquil Mountain:
The Superior Person takes great satisfaction in encouraging others along their journey.
He draws them to him with his welcoming nature and genuine interest.

Supreme success.
This course leads to marriage.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:

There is no greater natural law in the Cosmos than Attraction.
From the magnetic pull of an atom's nucleus to the centrifugal force that spirals a galaxy, the face of the universe is shaped by Attraction.
On a human scale, it is Attraction that fuels procreation and furthers our species.
Yet it is also Attraction that spawns greed and covetousness, threatening our extinction.
Attraction is the underlying force of the situation in question.
You are refined or debased by the objects of your desire.
What gravitational pull are you now under?
Around what sphere of influence do you circle?
Can you use your own ability to attract?


Upper Trigram:
K'an / Water
Image: Water, Clouds, Rain, Spring, Pit, Chasm.
Qualities: Dangerous, Difficult, Profound, Anxious, Deep, Mysterious, Damned, Persistent, Persevering, Flexible, Melancholy, Pervasive, Protean, Mobile, Fluid, Driving.
Direction: North.
Family Member: Middle Son.
Body Part: Ear.
Season: Midwinter.
Time of Day: Midnight.
Animal: Pig.
Color: Scarlet.
Element: Wood.
Miscellaneous: Ditches, Ambush, Bent and Straightened, Bow, Wheel, Sick Heart, Earache, Blood, Stumbling Horse, Wrecked Chariot, Moon, Thieves, Hardwood, Toil.

Lower Trigram:
Kên / Mountain
Image: Mountain.
Qualities: Tranquil, Immobile, Still, Perverse, Waiting, Patient, Calm, Stubborn, Inert, Methodical, Eternal.
Direction: Northeast.
Family Member: Youngest Son.
Body Part: Hand.
Season: Late Winter.
Time of Day: Dawn.
Animal: Dog.
Color: Emerald Green.
Element: Stone.
Miscellaneous: Byway, Mountain Path, Pebbles, Doorway, Opening, Gateway, Seed of Fruit, Eunuch, Watchman, Doorkeeper, Fingers, Rat, Black-billed Bird, Gnarled Tree.

I copied all the trigram things as well, although I don't understand those particularly -- perhaps others here with more experience do. 

At any rate, I thought the lines about viewing the obstacle from a new perspective, and is it the obstacle or the attitude that is immobile were particularly worth pondering on. 

Any thoughts?  Mermaid and Voyager, I know you use these more....
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Mermaid on August 30, 2010, 01:16:57 AM
Your first question seemed to have such a clear answer.
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"Can I influence his decision?"
The answer: recruiting allies with more experience. Your forum, perhaps? This changes to "attraction". This is where you become a magnet to draw your H back. It doesn't need to be immediate, but what you do should attract him naturally. It's another way of saying "pave the way".

Your second question seems clear, but needs some thinking about.
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  "Am I right in my position?"
It told you that there is an obstacle, something within you that needs to change; some stubborness in your attitude about only doing things one way. Again, it is suggesting a wise person can help you see what it is. Your changing lines talk about recruiting allies (this forum again??) If you remove this it will lead to attraction.
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Voyager on August 30, 2010, 01:35:27 AM
Hi T&L
As I understand it there are 3 elements to a reading.
The first hexagram is a description of your current or previous situation, if you have a changing line, that is the iChing advice. The transformed hex following the changing line gives a description of what could happen if you follow the iChing advice in the changing line.
If you don't have a changing line then the hex stands for both current and future.

The iChing is about proper conduct to a situation, but also asks tough questions, which provoke further thought from the enquirer. It can set off trains of thought you may otherwise not have considered. Sometimes the danger is that we gloss over some of the hidden meanings because they aren't the bits we want to see. (I'm guilty of that) So in your transformed hex, it talks about attraction, but asks you whether you are refined or debased by desire?

Sometimes it is a good idea to take the reading and ask further questions based on it, to get a deeper insight.
It can be very meditative but it can point out things you don't want to see. I can only speak for myself here, but it's those bits I now tend to ask questions about!!xx
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Trustandlove on August 30, 2010, 03:27:16 AM
Yes, I was wondering about that wise person....  I wonder what other questions I could ask? 

The time I asked the first question the second time it gave me something about "the pheasant has a broken wing", i.e. H is still broken, and the wise person helps him with his horse. 

So I wonder what the obstacle within me is?  I did wonder about the allies; this forum?  I'm all ears if anyone has a view on this. 

But the allies aren't necessarily others here; I took it more as finding allies who would also benefit from me 'bringing my plan to fruition'.  My children would benefit; who else?  Still thinking.

I found it interesting that I got the "attraction" hexagram twice as the tranformed hex. 

And the bit about continuing to bang my head against an immovable force..... 

I guess it would indicate doing a 180, as DB principles would say. 

So who would the sage be?  All of you here?  Someone in particular?  I'm listening.....
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: SpecialK on August 30, 2010, 03:37:45 AM
The question I ask was:  Will my ex eventually return home - this is what the answer was.  I don't understand, can anyone interpret it for me


Cast Hexagram:

51 - Fifty-One

Chên / Thunder

Thunder echoes upon Thunder, commanding reverence for its father Heaven:
In awe of Heaven's majestic power, the Superior Person looks within and sets his life in order.
Thunder mingles with startled screams of terror for a hundred miles around.
As the people nervously laugh at their own fright, the devout presents the sacrificial chalice with nary a drop of wine spilt.
Deliverance


SITUATION ANALYSIS:

A thunderbolt of Cosmic judgement crashes to earth.
For the common person, it's just a momentary fright soon forgotten, its warning unfathomed and unheeded.
But to one who understands its significance, this thunder is a signal to repent.
Centering the Self, seeking balance, the enlightened person will respect and align himself with this Higher Power, while his fellows remain subject to the whims of every passing storm
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Voyager on August 30, 2010, 04:16:28 AM
Hi T&L and SK
T&L - the allies could indeed be people on here, friends or anyone you consider a force for the good in this sitch. Word of warning though, mainly the iChing's words are about you and your inner consciousness, so it may be that the Pheasant with the broken wing could also refer to yourself. IChing works best when referencing yourself and your thoughts rather than anothers. You could ask further questions about the nature of the obstacle and how to overcome it. The answer will definitely give you some insight into what you need to do. Sometimes longer sessions can be very fruitful if you follow the flow of the answers and ask the questions that arise from each hexagram.
SK
What the iChing is not really used best for is as a predictive tool. It can give you insight into possibilities, that if you follow courses of action it advises could arise. But free will is a given in iChing, it does not base itself on a predetermined outcome. If you use it to look within at changes in yourself to help bring desired outcomes about then it has real relevance. But as i said sometimes we gloss over the bits we don't think we understand because it's telling us what we don't want to hear.!!
So in this instance, your reading is talking to you about what you can work on inside yourself to help bring about change. IMHO!! :)
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: SpecialK on August 30, 2010, 04:40:17 AM
Ah now it makes sense!

Thanks

SPx
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Trustandlove on August 30, 2010, 05:33:08 AM
Thank you, V -- like I said, I'm not experienced in these things.  I'll look at it again.  I wish I had copied that second one before it disappeared!

In any case it is telling me something about the obstacles; I'll revisit that in a bit.  So what would be a good question -- I need to understand more about how to word those? 

Can I ask what the nature of the obstacle is?  How should that be worded? 
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Voyager on August 30, 2010, 05:44:08 AM
Hi T&L
That's the problem with these things, it's an art form to do the interpretation! I would suggest specifics, like what is the nature etc, or how may I best remove the obstacle in my path?. Recognising that it is likely to reference a self generated obstacle within you, occasionally I have found it to be referencing external things, but I tend to look at the internal meaning first before I feel it is talking about something else.
IMHO IChing always looks at how you can best conduct yourself in a given situation, i'd be interested to know what you get from it. xx
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Mermaid on August 30, 2010, 05:46:15 AM
Well, you could ask something like that, but I'm not sure you would get an answer that makes sense until you can find part of it yourself.

I find that we need to give these things time. You are now consciously looking for some obstacle, but you can't see it yet. It may come to you in a sudden moment of realisation, it may come in a dream. Wait, reflect, observe.
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Trustandlove on August 30, 2010, 08:46:15 AM
I know what you mean about things not making sense.  I asked what would happen if I asked H to come stay while I went away, and got:

Cast Hexagram:

43 - Forty-Three
Kuai / Breakthrough

A Deluge from Heaven:
The Superior Person rains fortune upon those in need, then moves on with no thought of the good he does.

The issue must be raised before an impartial authority.
Be sincere and earnest, despite the danger.
Do not try to force the outcome, but seek support where needed.
Set a clear goal.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:

Your iron will must come to the forefront now.
It will take great personal determination to resolve the situation in question.
Your adversary would love to force you into an angry display.
That would legitimize his opposition to you.
Such a berserker rage would drag you down to his level.
You must resolutely take a public stand against what he represents, but refuse to engage him.
Without compromise, you show others the way to higher ground.



Changing Lines:

There is One Changing Line.

Hexagram Forty-Three/Line One:

Though you feel confident, you are not equal to the overwhelming odds you face.
One step forward will set you back a mile.

Transformed Hexagram:

28 - Twenty-Eight
Ta Kuo / Critical Mass

The Flood rises above the tallest Tree:
Amidst a rising tide of human folly, the Superior Person retires to higher ground, renouncing his world without looking back.

Any direction is better than where you now stand.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:

Several high-priority concerns demand immediate attention.
All are crucial.
None will be denied.
Yet some demand the denial of others.
Like two atoms seeking to occupy the same space, these irresistible forces and immovable objects threaten to ignite a cataclysm that could irreversibly alter your world.
This is no time for fatal heroics.
You are at Ground Point Zero.
Remove yourself from this situation without delay.
Find sanctuary.
Later you may deal with these concerns on your own terms, from a position of strength.

This really seemed like a sledgehammer to kill a fly --"It will take great personal determination to resolve the situation", and  "Remove yourself from this situation without delay" seem a bit extreme -- as does "these irresisitble forces threaten to ignite a cataclysm that could irreversibly alter your world". 

And "you are not equal to the overwhelming odds you face" also seems extreme for this....  are there overwhelming odds within me???

Either that, or I really don't know how to use it. 

I am of course thinking of the internal obstacles within me rather than external forces, but I didn't think this was so drastic.....

Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Voyager on August 30, 2010, 09:37:25 AM
T&L
it is obscure and furstrating. Mermaid and I may disagree on this, but I would suggest you phrase it slightly differently, it is a highly personal experience.
Firstly I don't ask what will happen, because I personally try not to use it as a prediction tool. But i have weakned at times!!!
So the question I asked it today was...
How can I make positive changes to my situation with my h
For some reason I can't get my computer to cut and paste the answer direct from the website, but the answer was hex 64 Before Completion.

I would phrase the question like " Should i ask my h to ? etc rather than a What will question. Or "what is the best way to...? Or what COULD happen if.... Or what is the likely consequence if...
However regardless of how the question is phrased, the language is arcane, and the meanings not always as apparant or as literal as it might seem, IChing is not so useful for the here and now questions requiring immediate answers, but for contemplation over a longer period. It can take a period of time for it's meaning to settle within you and make sense.

That is why it's meditative and contemplative, it asks questions of your unconscious which sows seeds for later understanding.
Sometimes you recognise it straightaway and understand what it is trying to show you.

There is a lot of symbolism in it which can be confusing, and sometimes unnerving to you, but using it over a period of time, sort of gets you into a rhythm of understanding it. Often a pattern emerges in the answers that definitely tell you something.
 The website gives some good advice, especially on the Instruction page. And tips on further reading.
Hope this helps, as i  say everyone has a slightly different approach to using it, this is just my way. Good luck and if you try again and want some help just let us know. xxxx
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Mermaid on August 30, 2010, 10:11:09 AM
I agree with voyager. The best questions are those which direct your thoughts inside yourself, rather than outside.

Sometimes it takes a few days for the answer to come to you.

That is why it's meditative and contemplative, it asks questions of your unconscious which sows seeds for later understanding.
Sometimes you recognise it straightaway and understand what it is trying to show you.

Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Trustandlove on August 30, 2010, 10:13:48 AM
V --

I tried the "should I"; in the instructions it actually says NOT to phrase questions that way....   it says that you can ask "what will happen...."    so I continue to be confused.  I don't mean to use it as a prediction tool; I've had it with looking for oracles.

 ... the first questions I asked gave me more sensible answers, i.e. ones to comtemplate. 

 anyway, to the "should I" one I got:

Cast Hexagram:

4 - Four
Mêng / Inexperience

A fresh Spring at the foot of the Mountain:
The Superior Person refines his character by being thorough in every activity.
The Sage does not recruit students; the students seek him.
He asks nothing but a sincere desire to learn.
If the student doubts or challenges his authority, the Sage regretfully cuts his losses.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:

This is a time of interchange between a mentor and pupil.
Whether you are the teacher or the student, it is a time of companionship along a mutual path.
This hexagram also emphasizes the eternal, cyclical nature of the mentor/student relationship -- a mentor is merely a more seasoned pupil, further along on the journey.
A pupil holds within himself the seed of a future Master.

Changing Lines:

There are Three Changing Lines.
The Middle Line applies.

Hexagram Four/Line Four

You are so terrified of being wrong, you leave no room for learning what is right.

Transformed Hexagram:

12 - Twelve
P'i / Stagnation

Heaven and Earth move away from each other.
In the ensuing void, the small invade where the great have departed.
There is no common meeting ground, so the Superior Person must fall back on his inner worth and decline the rewards offered by the inferior invaders.

Difficult trials as you hold to your course.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:

It is natural to assume that, if Earth above Heaven forms the hexagram for Peace and Paradise, then the opposite configuration, with Heaven over Earth would represent the antithesis of Paradise, Hell.
Not so.
This hexagram is actually the Dark side of Peace, its unsavory byproduct, Stagnation.
In a time when most of our wants are provided, there is little need for the heroes, the artists, the great thinkers and innovators.
As they recede into the shadows, Idleness, Apathy, and Lassitude come to the forefront.
Peace has become boring, bland, unchallenging -- Stagnant.
Now our attention turns to the quick fix, the instant celebrity, the fad, the one-nighter, the current buzz.
There is no room for depth.
If you are a passionate soul, you must wait for a better time to find kindred spirits.
In these times, they are only curious legends, bas-relief, dead poets.

The only bit that made sense was the changing lines!  That I'm so terrified of getting it wrong that I don't learn to do it right. 

so I don't think asking such questions is particularly helpful...  The hexagram messages by themselves lend themselves to contemplation, just not necessarily in relation to this particular question right now.

I'd welcome thought from more experienced users!
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Storm Rider on August 30, 2010, 10:14:33 AM
Another thing with the interpretation is that you do not have to understand the entire message as a solution to what it was you asked.

Maybe it is just one line in the six line situation analysis that leaps out out you, as that is one of your current issues, and something that may impact on how you deal with that situation. Maybe that is enough to get you thinking of a different way to deal with your situation than how you have been seeing it.

When we cannot see the answers, sometimes it is because we ask the same question over and over. By doing or assuming the opposite can help us look at it differently. Sometimes, a word, phrase or passage can help with this.
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Trustandlove on August 30, 2010, 10:23:12 AM
Now that makes more sense!
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Voyager on August 30, 2010, 10:24:26 AM
Have to agree with SR on that one, it's the changing line which carries the import of it all.
 To be honest I think should in my questions seems to bring me to the answers that help, but it's getting the question out there in a way which is meaningful to you which is important.
 Only you know the deep essence to your question and what the phrasing means to you.
Sometimes I've strayed from my own advice and asked very direct questions, which it answers with no problem in interpretation. And sometimes I've got a very firm shut up and stop asking me the same question response, it always seems to know when you've gone too far.!! xx
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: StillStanding on August 30, 2010, 10:34:40 AM
Question: "How should I proceed now that my wife has moved out?"

Cast Hexagram:
51 - Fifty-One
Chên / Thunder

Thunder echoes upon Thunder, commanding reverence for its father Heaven:
In awe of Heaven's majestic power, the Superior Person looks within and sets his life in order.
Thunder mingles with startled screams of terror for a hundred miles around.
As the people nervously laugh at their own fright, the devout presents the sacrificial chalice with nary a drop of wine spilt.
Deliverance

SITUATION ANALYSIS:

A thunderbolt of Cosmic judgement crashes to earth.
For the common person, it's just a momentary fright soon forgotten, its warning unfathomed and unheeded.
But to one who understands its significance, this thunder is a signal to repent.
Centering the Self, seeking balance, the enlightened person will respect and align himself with this Higher Power, while his fellows remain subject to the whims of every passing storm.

Changing Lines:

There are Two Changing Lines (line 2 and line 5).
The Upper Line applies.

Hexagram Fifty-One/Line Five:

Others run in confusion and terror from the violent thunderstorm.
Fully aware of the danger, you keep to the task that must be done.

Transformed Hexagram:

58 - Fifty-Eight
Tui / Empowering
The joyous Lake spans on and on to the horizon:
The Superior Person renews and expands his Spirit through heart-to-heart exchanges with others.

Success if you stay on course.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:

This is the sign of true companionship.
The principals in this situation exchange energy, ideas and feelings, constantly invigorating and encouraging each other to new heights of Spiritual achievement and Self-discovery.
This exchange is not for the glory of the Team, but for furthering the process of each individual's 'Te', or pure potentiality.

EDIT:
If I read this right, i should respect and align myself with my Higher Power -- continue to Stand? -- while my wife "remain(s) subject to the whims of every passing storm." The changing lines also say "Others run in confusion and terror from the violent thunderstorm. Fully aware of the danger, you keep to the task that must be done." That sounds like my wife's state of mind right now...

As for the transformed hexagram, I should "exchange energy, ideas and feelings, constantly invigorating and encouraging (...) to new heights of Spiritual achievement and Self-discovery". Do you think this refers to our little community, or to my wife?
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Mermaid on August 30, 2010, 10:35:39 AM
I have had the same experience as V; if you ask it a silly question, or insist too much, you get a telling off. You can, carefully, ask a direct question (will...) and the answers will be there. Sometimes they are so amazing, I remember them for years!

On the other hand, not all the focus is in the changing lines. Sometimes we don't get a changing line. This line links two hexagrams, the second following from the advice of the first. The meat is in the hexagrams.
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Voyager on August 30, 2010, 10:40:56 AM
general question
How do you get your readings onto here? i've tried to do it from the website and it won't let me copy and paste??
PS Mermaid.....fight you on the changing lines...(except when there isn't one!!)  10 rounds, loser gets to buy all the drinks!!xxx
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Trustandlove on August 30, 2010, 10:43:03 AM
I copied mine onto a word processing document first, then from there to here.  It sounds convoluted, but that way I get a copy to look at when I need to as well. 

And I do think that I may have got a telling-off with that last round, as in "don't use this for such trivial things, this really doesn't matter in the scheme of things..."
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: StillStanding on August 30, 2010, 11:15:58 AM
general question
How do you get your readings onto here? i've tried to do it from the website and it won't let me copy and paste??
PS Mermaid.....fight you on the changing lines...(except when there isn't one!!)  10 rounds, loser gets to buy all the drinks!!xxx

I haven't had any problems with copying and pasting from the website. Maybe it's a browser issue? I'm using Firefox...
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Mermaid on August 30, 2010, 11:29:11 AM
If you go to the edit menu on the tool bar, you can select and copy. You can right click to paste on this site, or press Ctrl V

Hmm, V, can't find anything online to say that the changing lines are more important than the hexagram.
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Trustandlove on August 30, 2010, 02:04:43 PM
OK, I tried this -- I tried asking "How should I use the IChing?"

I got: 

Cast Hexagram:

23 - Twenty-Three
Po / Splitting Apart

The weight of the Mountain presses down upon a weak foundation of Earth:
The Superior Person will use this time of oppression to attend to the needs of those less fortunate.

Any action would be ill-timed.
Stand fast.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:

This is a situation easily mistaken for Stagnation (Hexagram 12) or Revolution (Hexagram 49).
It just depends on which side you're on.
During a time of Stagnation, human worms invade to feed on the decay.
During a time of Revolution, oppression is being overthrown.
But in this situation, oppressors are violently seizing power.
Pay special heed when you receive this hexagram, because the oracle is often warning you of a situation of which you are totally unaware.
You are about to be blindsided.

No changing lines, so no transformed hex. 

The "original text" reads: 

THE JUDGEMENT

SPLITTING APART. It does not further one
To go anywhere.

This pictures a time when inferior people are pushing forward and are about to crowd out the few remaining strong and superior men. Under these circumstances, which are due to the time, it is not favourable for the superior man to undertake anything.
The right behaviour in such adverse times is to be deduced from the images and their attributes. The lower trigram stands for the earth, whose attributes are docility and devotion. The upper trigram stands for the mountain, whose attribute is stillness. This suggests that one should submit to the bad time and remain quiet. For it is a question not of man's doing but of time conditions, which, according to the laws of heaven, show an alternation of increase and decrease, fullness and emptiness. It is impossible to counteract these conditions of the time. Hence it is not cowardice but wisdom to submit and avoid action.

Mermaid, Voyager, others -- your interpretation?  Did I just get told off for using this in the wrong way?  Or does it mean not to use it?   Or what???

I don't like the "you are about to be blindsided" bit; but as I asked how I should use this, how does that apply?  It would all seem to apply to the general MLC situation, but in this case I didn't mean to ask about that. 


I think this is why I've avoided things like this; it gets me worrying and over-analysing; both the things that get in my way most (the obstacle???) in this mlc mess and elsewhere. 

I feel like I've been warned several times to "do nothing"; now I'm wondering if that meant not having any interaction with my H at all, that I shouldn't have asked him to stay with the kids, all sorts of things.   

I also seem to be being warned of facing "overwhelming odds" to which I'm not equal, that kind of thing.  As this should be internal rather than external, what on earth can that mean??


Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: StillStanding on August 30, 2010, 03:40:18 PM
It's very likely that phrasing a question in a difficult manner will yield a difficult-to-interpret result. I don't know how useful of an answer you will get from "what color shirt should I wear today?"

You might look at your response along these lines:

"Being blindsided" and "Hence it is not cowardice but wisdom to submit and avoid action" could mean that you may receive an unexpected response from consulting the I Ching, or maybe something unexpected will occur and the I Ching will be encourage you to do nothing when it seems that you should take some kind of action.

I try to phrase my questions along the lines of "What should I do to influence the chance of a particular outcome?" or "What should my attitude be about some development in my situation?" As silly as it sounds, it seems that the more general the question then the more useful the answer seems to be.
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: leftylulu on August 30, 2010, 04:17:26 PM
Here's mine for the question I asked: What should I do when I am angry with myself?
I felt this was a great reading.


26 - Twenty-Six

Ta Ch'u / Recharging Power

Heaven's motherlode waits within the Mountain:
The Superior Person mines deep into history's wealth of wisdom and deeds, charging his character with timeless strength.

Persevere.
Drawing sustenance from these sources creates good fortune.
Then you may cross to the far shore.


SITUATION ANALYSIS:

There are important precedents in this situation.
Others have trodden this Path before you, overcoming the same obstacles facing you now, and making crucial decisions at the same crossroads.
Study their journals, watch for their trail markings.
Gain inspiration and wisdom from the heroes and learn from the mistakes of those who chose a sidepath.
All were Seekers, explorers whose daring mapped a course you can follow.
The words and deeds of the finest can imbue you with the courage necessary to face what lies before you.

Changing Lines:

There is One Changing Line.

 
Hexagram Twenty-Six/Line Six:

In harmony with the will of Heaven, your strength is irresistible.
 
 
11 - Eleven

T'ai / Peace

Heaven and Earth embrace, giving birth to Peace.
The Superior Person serves as midwife, presenting the newborn gift to the people.

The small depart; the great approach.
Success.
Good fortune.


SITUATION ANALYSIS:

It doesn't get any better than this.
Everything is in harmony, all obstacles are cleared from your Path, anything you could ask for is right at hand.
This is the Elysian Fields, the Garden of Eden.
The only thing wrong with Peace is that it, too, must change.
Whether you are in this state of harmony now or it is predicted for your future, recognize it as your greatest opportunity to build your resources against less harmonious times.
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: StillStanding on August 30, 2010, 04:53:01 PM
I threw another one for the heck of it: "How should I act when dealing with my wife?"

Cast Hexagram:
28 - Twenty-Eight
Ta Kuo / Critical Mass

The Flood rises above the tallest Tree:
Amidst a rising tide of human folly, the Superior Person retires to higher ground, renouncing his world without looking back.

Any direction is better than where you now stand.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:
Several high-priority concerns demand immediate attention.
All are crucial.
None will be denied.
Yet some demand the denial of others.
Like two atoms seeking to occupy the same space, these irresistible forces and immovable objects threaten to ignite a cataclysm that could irreversibly alter your world.
This is no time for fatal heroics.
You are at Ground Point Zero.
Remove yourself from this situation without delay.
Find sanctuary.
Later you may deal with these concerns on your own terms, from a position of strength.

Changing Lines:
There are Two Changing Lines.
An Old Yang for Line 4
An Old Yin for Line 6
The Old Yin prevails.

Hexagram Twenty-Eight/Line Six:
Fording the flooded stream, he disappears beneath the rushing waters and never resurfaces.
Misfortune through no fault of his own.

Transformed Hexagram:
57 - Fifty-Seven
Sun / The Penetrating Wind

Wind follows upon wind, wandering the earth, penetrating gently but persistently:
The Superior Person expands his influence by reaffirming his decisions and carrying out his promises.

Small, persistent, focused effort brings success.
Seek advice from someone you respect.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:
Gentle persuasion is the key in this instance.
Though the words are soft, their speaker must be firm, calm and confident.
Gentle words are worthless if spoken with trepidation.
Wordless influence by example is also effective in this situation.
All persuasion should be almost unfelt, yet consistent and persistent.
Ask for feedback from someone you know to be an effective persuader.
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: StillStanding on August 30, 2010, 04:56:03 PM
Some more info from the website:

Quote
Changing Lines transform into their polar opposite during the course of your consultation.
When there are more than one lines changing, there is a problem in interpretation; if these lines are contradictory, which one to choose?
At IChingOnline we have chosen to apply a set of rules to determine the one changing line that prevails.
Although this set of rules is old and widespread, it is just one of many methods that can be found to handle this delicate issue.
Consider it a guideline, which is not 100% compelling.

So, no matter how many lines are changing (if any), according to our method, only ONE of them applies to your question.
The following rules determine which one.

There are seven possibilities for the number of changing lines:

0. There are no Changing Lines. Read only the Cast Hexagram.

1. There is one Changing Line. Consult this changing line.

2. There are two Changing Lines. If both lines are Six (Old Yin) or Nine (Old Yang), the Upper Line applies. If one is Six and the other Nine, the Six prevails.

3. There are three Changing Lines. The middle line counts.

4. There are four Changing Lines. Read the upper NON-changing line.

5. There are five Changing Lines. Read the only NON-changing line.

6. All lines are Changing. Only the Transformed Hexagram applies.
With two exceptions: If all lines are Six or all lines are Nine, read both Cast Hexagram and Transformed Hexagram.
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Trustandlove on August 30, 2010, 10:15:11 PM
Well, I like the possibility that "getting blindsided" could mean getting an unexpected response from the IChing -- that certainly was the case with that reply.  I was literally shocked to see what came up. 

I am a very literal person, so possibly have more trouble than most looking at obscure things like this where there are many interpretations.....  and I worry, so nebulous things can send my off on a worry/anxiety cycle. 
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Mermaid on August 31, 2010, 07:37:06 AM
The iChing should be used as a positive tool to reflect on our own behaviour. If you see it as a predictive tool, you are more likely to set off your anxiety cycle. I get anxious too, but I look at the iChing as a guide to MY behaviour. I find it comforting, because really it doesn't tell us what we don't know, just what we don't want to see.

The last thing to remember about the iChing is that it reflects the inevitable cycles of life. Everything changes; we need to embrace change in ourselves and others, come to tolerance and understanding, and it makes it easier then to face difficulties. These too shall pass.
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: StillStanding on September 01, 2010, 08:30:28 AM
My question: "What attitude should I adopt for the next couple of weeks?"

Cast Hexagram:
46 - Forty-Six
Shêng / Upward Mobility

Beneath the Soil, the Seedling pushes upward toward the light:
To preserve his integrity, the Superior Person contents himself with small gains that eventually lead to great accomplishment.

Supreme Success.
Have no doubts.
Seek guidance from someone you respect.
A constant move toward greater clarity will bring reward.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:
You are progressing, rising inch-by-inch toward certain success.
What makes this assured is your refusal to tilt headlong toward your goal, slamming into obstacles and going mad with frustration.
You have a clear map before you of the steps necessary to reach your objective.
With faithful patience and a careful conservation of personal energy and resources, you will run this long, slow distance.

No changing lines, so no transformed hex.
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Trustandlove on September 01, 2010, 09:26:11 AM
Now that really says it clearly!
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Mermaid on September 01, 2010, 09:27:46 AM
yup!
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: stillhere on September 02, 2010, 12:47:29 AM
I wanted to share this with all of you because it indicated to me that coming to this forum is a good thing to do and was dead-on considering his MLC.

I asked last night "How should I act towards my husband tomorrow?"  He will be stopping by today. 
Cast Hexagram 22 was the answer.

Cast Hexagram:

22 - Twenty-Two
Pi / Grace

Fire illuminates the base of the Mountain:
The Superior Person realizes he has not the wisdom to move the course of the world, except by attending to each day's affairs as they come.

Success in small matters.
This is a good time to begin something.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:

The emphasis now is on form, not function -- on the sizzle and not the steak.
The environment around you is not one of depth, and you are appreciated now for your image, not your essence.
You perfectly fill a role, and no one is seeing the genuine you.
Still, you are being listened to and watched.
Use this influence to further your goals as much as possible.
Even if you don't feel understood, you can perhaps connect with a few isolated hearts.
Relax and enjoy the attention.

And

Transformed Hexagram:

26 - Twenty-Six
Ta Ch'u / Recharging Power

Heaven's motherlode waits within the Mountain:
The Superior Person mines deep into history's wealth of wisdom and deeds, charging his character with timeless strength.

Persevere.
Drawing sustenance from these sources creates good fortune.
Then you may cross to the far shore.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:

There are important precedents in this situation.
Others have trodden this Path before you, overcoming the same obstacles facing you now, and making crucial decisions at the same crossroads.
Study their journals, watch for their trail markings.
Gain inspiration and wisdom from the heroes and learn from the mistakes of those who chose a sidepath.
All were Seekers, explorers whose daring mapped a course you can follow.
The words and deeds of the finest can imbue you with the courage necessary to face what lies before you.

The above told me that I need to keep coming here for advice and learning.  I also need to maintain my strengths. 
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Mermaid on September 02, 2010, 01:16:37 AM
SH, I've had this hexagram many times since starting on the forum. Coincidence? And it's good advice.
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: StillStanding on September 02, 2010, 03:22:41 PM
Question: What attitude would be best for maintaining detachment and calm right now?

Cast Hexagram:
46 - Forty-Six
Shêng / Upward Mobility

Beneath the Soil, the Seedling pushes upward toward the light:
To preserve his integrity, the Superior Person contents himself with small gains that eventually lead to great accomplishment.

Supreme Success.
Have no doubts.
Seek guidance from someone you respect.
A constant move toward greater clarity will bring reward.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:
You are progressing, rising inch-by-inch toward certain success.
What makes this assured is your refusal to tilt headlong toward your goal, slamming into obstacles and going mad with frustration.
You have a clear map before you of the steps necessary to reach your objective.
With faithful patience and a careful conservation of personal energy and resources, you will run this long, slow distance.

Changing Lines:
There is One Changing Line.
Hexagram Forty-Six/Line Four:
The king continues to faithfully climb Mount Chi and make humble offering.

Transformed Hexagram:
32 - Thirty-Two
Hêng / Durability

Arousing Thunder and penetrating Wind.
Close companions in any storm:
The Superior Person possesses a resiliency and durability that lets him remain firmly and faithfully on course.

Such constancy deserves success.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:
Endurance is the key to success in this situation.
However, durability is not synonymous with stone-like rigidity.
True resilience requires a flexibility that allows adaptation to any adverse condition, while still remaining true to the core.
Can you maintain your integrity under any circumstance?
Can you influence the situation without giving opposing forces anything to resist?
Then you will endure to reach your goal.
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: ForeverHopefulOne on September 02, 2010, 11:14:35 PM
Here is my latest I Ching reading:

Please advise how I should act towards my husband now

 The present is embodied in Hexagram 24 - Fu (Turning Point): There will be a free course and progress. He finds no one to distress him in his exits and entrances. Friends come to him, and no error is committed. He will return and repeat his proper course. In seven days comes his return. There will be advantage in whatever direction movement is made.

 The first (bottommost) line, undivided, shows its subject returning from an error of no great extent, which would not proceed to anything requiring repentance. There will be great good fortune.

 The second line, divided, shows the admirable return of its subject. There will be good fortune.
 The third line, divided, shows one who has made repeated returns. The position is perilous, but there will be no error.
 The fourth line, divided, shows its subject moving right in the centre among those represented by the other divided lines, and yet returning alone to his proper path.

 The situation is changing rapidly, and Yang (the active masculine force) is gaining ground.

 The future is embodied in Hexagram 32 - Heng (Duration): Successful progress and no error is indicated, but the advantage will come from being firm and correct. Any movement in any direction whatever will be advantageous.

 The things most apparent, those above and in front, are embodied by the upper trigram K'un (Earth), which is transforming into Chen (Thunder). As part of this process, docility and receptivity are giving way to movement, initiative, and action.

 The things least apparent, those below and behind, are embodied by the lower trigram Chen (Thunder), which is transforming into Sun (Wind). As part of this process, movement, initiative, and action are giving way to penetration and following.
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: hurt01 on September 03, 2010, 07:38:28 AM
Ive been doing the I Ching: Dont know hoe to move it over here. But I got Hexagram 53 today. Can anyone tell me what ( The maiden is given in marriage means? ) I have gotten this several times.

Thanks!  ((( HUGS )))
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Mermaid on September 03, 2010, 08:08:54 AM
It means you are probably too anxious to get to a quick solution. It's telling you to be patient, go slow, not to be anxious. Pay attention to the smaller details in life, and learn from them.
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: hurt01 on September 03, 2010, 09:49:57 AM
Thank you Mermaid. I NEVER would have gotten that from it. I really dont understand the I Ching: Maybe I just need to leave it alone. It really confuses me. Heck I was wondering who was getting married. LOL.

Again Thank You!
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Mermaid on September 03, 2010, 11:08:51 AM
Try looking at this site for simpler interpretations of the hexagrams

http://www.psychic-revelation.com/reference/i_l/i_ching/hexagram28.html

It's not so accurate, but will give you a general idea.
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: hurt01 on September 03, 2010, 12:02:05 PM
Thank you Mermaid!!!
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: StillStanding on September 03, 2010, 02:52:45 PM
Hmmm... very thought-provoking!

Question: "How should I behave this weekend if I happen to see my wife?"

Cast Hexagram:
41 - Forty-one
Sun / Decrease

The stoic Mountain drains its excess waters to the Lake below:
The Superior Person curbs his anger and sheds his desires.

To be frugal and content is to possess immeasurable wealth within.
Nothing of value could be refused such a person.
Make a portion of each meal a share of your offering.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:
This is an occasion for downsizing to fighting trim.
Simplicity and economy are strong defenses against the slings and arrows of Outrageous Fortune.
Whether this is a time of want or a time of plenty, it is an auspicious time to shed a dependency.

Changing Lines:
There are Two Changing Lines.
An Old Yin for Line 4
An Old Yang for Line 6
The Old Yin prevails.

Hexagram Forty-One/Line Four:
Once he recognizes and admits his wound, walls tumble down and others can get through to offer the balm he needs for healing.

Transformed Hexagram:
54 - Fifty-Four
Kuei Mei / A Loveless Marriage

The Thunderstorm inseminates the swelling Lake, then moves on where the Lake cannot follow:
The Superior Person views passing trials in the light of Eternal Truths.
Any action will prove unfortunate.
Nothing furthers.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:
This is at best a Marriage of Convenience.
You have found yourself in desperate straits, a position of weakness, and you are tempted to pay dearly for a remedy.
A drowning man isn't picky about who throws him a rope.
The rescue offered to you now is undesirable.
It may pull you out of this sticky situation, but it will cause even greater predicaments down the road.
Don't obligate yourself in this way.
You are selling your future for a quick fix today.
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: StillStanding on September 07, 2010, 04:18:48 PM
Question: "How should I proceed in the face of no contact from my wife?"

Cast Hexagram:
27 - Twenty-Seven
I / Providing Nourishment

Beneath the immobile Mountain the arousing Thunder stirs:
The Superior Person preserves his freedom under oppressive conditions by watching what comes out of his mouth, as well as what goes in.

Endure and good fortune will come.
Nurture others in need, as if you were feeding yourself.
Take care not to provide sustenance for those who feed off others.
Stay as high as possible on the food chain.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:
You are a conduit in this instance, able to provide the sustenance needed by others.
Position yourself to nourish the truly needy and worthy.
Avoid situations where you might be coerced into supporting the parasites and vermin who deprive your true charges.
Your own nourishment is an issue here, too.
Remember Lao Tzu's three Great Treasures:
Only the person possessed of Compassion, Modesty and Frugality can remain fit enough to stay free of desperation and keep control of the situation.

No changing lines, so no transformed hexagram.
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Trustandlove on September 07, 2010, 11:40:35 PM
That is so appropriate, SS.  I'm going to take it as mine as well, as my H isn't contacting me either. 

Endurance is the name of the game here....
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: ForeverHopefulOne on September 09, 2010, 11:17:29 AM
Here is my I Ching result to the question - Please advise how I should treat my H today:

The message of this hexagram is that even those who go through life with good-will and the best intentions will at times meet with hostility and powerful opposition. At this time it is advised that conflict be avoided, for conflict at this time (even if justified) will lead to more serious setbacks.  There are times when a "cautious halt" can be far more powerful than the most aggressive response.

The changes to line 5 indicate:  "Contend Before Him"- There are times when conflicts must be brought before a third party who will judge the merits of the case.  At this time you should have faith that a third party will judge fairly and (if you are in the right), this judgement carries "supreme good fortune".

THE FUTURE "Before Completion"
This hexagram implies that a huge transition is underway; however, it has not been completed yet. Chaos has not yet turned to order. Be patient. Spring time is near and soon new growth will sprout up. For a long time you have sought the end of confusion and a dawn of new clarity. This is your higher purpose, and the way to accomplish this task is to lead yourself out of confusion first. The world is a reflection of your state of mind and understandings. All outer change begins inside you. Oppositional forces stand no chance against those who are secure in their inner purpose. Step forward knowing that everything required for this mission is within you.
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Voyager on September 09, 2010, 11:24:41 AM
Interesting one FHO,
Just wanted to say I'm finding iChing incredibly helpful at the moment, I'm doing daily readings. There's something deeply soothing about getting into a rhythm of using it, it's helped me look at myself and realise that the important lessons are about me, not prediction.
It becomes almost like a sort of meditation or even prayer like.
Now this is when Mermaid comes in and says I'm doing it all wrong!!!! :o :o :o

Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: StillStanding on September 09, 2010, 11:30:53 AM
Dang!
"How should I act when my wife comes by the house?"

Cast Hexagram:
12 - Twelve
P'i / Stagnation

Heaven and Earth move away from each other.
In the ensuing void, the small invade where the great have departed.
There is no common meeting ground, so the Superior Person must fall back on his inner worth and decline the rewards offered by the inferior invaders.

Difficult trials as you hold to your course.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:
It is natural to assume that, if Earth above Heaven forms the hexagram for Peace and Paradise, then the opposite configuration, with Heaven over Earth would represent the antithesis of Paradise, Hell.
Not so.
This hexagram is actually the Dark side of Peace, its unsavory byproduct, Stagnation.
In a time when most of our wants are provided, there is little need for the heroes, the artists, the great thinkers and innovators.
As they recede into the shadows, Idleness, Apathy, and Lassitude come to the forefront.
Peace has become boring, bland, unchallenging -- Stagnant.
Now our attention turns to the quick fix, the instant celebrity, the fad, the one-nighter, the current buzz.
There is no room for depth.
If you are a passionate soul, you must wait for a better time to find kindred spirits.
In these times, they are only curious legends, bas-relief, dead poets.

Changing Lines:
There are Three Changing Lines.
The Middle Line applies.

Hexagram Twelve/Line Two
He knows better than the sycophants how to manipulate the petty rulers; but instead he keeps his integrity and remains among the oppressed.

Transformed Hexagram:
38 - Thirty-Eight
K'uei / Estrangement

Fire distances itself from its nemesis, the Lake:
No matter how large or diverse the group, the Superior Person remains uniquely himself.

Small accomplishments are possible.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:
You are working at cross-purposes with another.
The distance between you is very wide.
The gap can be closed, however, with no compromise of your integrity.
You are not adversaries in this case -- just two persons addressing individual needs.
Ask yourself: are these needs mutually exclusive?
Is there common ground here?
Must there be one winner and one loser?
Could you become partners in seeking a solution that would allow for two winners?
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: ForeverHopefulOne on September 09, 2010, 11:46:17 AM
Now this is when Mermaid comes in and says I'm doing it all wrong!!!! :o :o :o

Hahahahha!  That made me laugh out loud, Voyager!

I get my readings from ifate.com - the readings are less cryptic and easier for me to understand.  I'm not that phylisophical.  So far, the have been right on.

Xoxo
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Mermaid on September 09, 2010, 11:51:56 AM
Now this is when Mermaid comes in and says I'm doing it all wrong!!!! :o :o :o

Au contraire, my dear Voyager. I think that's just how iChing works the best.
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: ForeverHopefulOne on September 09, 2010, 12:06:05 PM
Wow, I just asked the i Ching: Please advise on the status of my relationship with H:

Primary Judgement: "Stagnation"

This ominous hexagram symbolizes heaven and earth out of balance.  Creative energies are flowing the wrong way, and little is accomplished.  Ideas and projects stagnate, and enthusiasm disappears.  Those who are not worthy of accomplishment are on the rise.  Lesser men and women dominate the scene.  Wise men note that the situation is dangerous and withdraw into introspection, modesty and meditation.  Very little of value can be accomplished at this time.

The changes to line 2 indicate:  "They Suffer and Endure"- A change in this line suggests that the only course of action is to "stick it out".  Many will seek alternate paths, but they are equally dangerous.  Those who are both wise and great will give no outward sign of discomfort or duress.  They will walk bravely through this time and await a change in fortune.

The changes to line 4 indicate:  "Act With the Command of the Highest"- This changing line reminds us that the way to move forward from a period of stagnation is to stick to one's core beliefs and principles.  If one acts with the highest of intentions at all times, one will turn the course of the tide and begin to move forwards again.

The changes to line 5 indicate:  "Stagnation Gives Way"- All things must come to pass, and this fortunately true of times of stagnation as well.   This changing line suggests that an individual (a man or a woman) will break the stagnation, and bring about a period of positive change.

The changes to line 6 indicate:  "Motion Resumes"- After a long period of standstill there is new movement.  The ice is thawing and new life is emerging where there was none before.  A period of rejoicing as energy returns, creativity blossoms and relationships flourish.

The Future: "The Army"
Even with a powerful allies and armies, no success is possible if leadership wavers.  Good leadership requires public strength, but more importantly: private discipline. Remember to treat your allies well, and support the greater good.  Success at this time will be the result of strong interpersonal ties and dedicated personal discipline.  To indulge one's ego or one's own personal ambitions will fail. A unified force will succeed. The importance of clear communication is also referenced here.
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Mermaid on September 09, 2010, 12:14:35 PM
I've had "Stagnation" several times since BD, I think it adequately describes our lives with the MLCer.
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Voyager on September 09, 2010, 01:02:58 PM
oooooooooh Mermaid I love it when you speak French!! :o
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Mermaid on September 09, 2010, 01:46:45 PM
Oo lá lá Voyager. I sink what you lerve is life itself. Iz very good.
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Trustandlove on September 09, 2010, 03:56:28 PM
I like the readings that FHO has got....  I haven't done this for a while; I wonder if there is a difference if you use a website, or a book?  Will different websites give different info? 

I got the 'stagnation' one as well; can't remember now in response to which question....
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: ForeverHopefulOne on September 09, 2010, 04:38:43 PM
T&L, I got basically the same info for the same questions from different websites; I just like the way ifate.com words their responses.  As I stated, I am not really philisophical and the responses on the other site require me to think about it too much - haha!  Let me know if you use ifate and what kind of responses you get.

xoxox
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Courageous wife on September 09, 2010, 05:12:04 PM
Hi guys

FHO-I went to ifate.com and asked the same question you did "please advise on the status of my relationship with my husband"...I want to post the answer I got but it won't let me copy and paste.  Any ideas?
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: ForeverHopefulOne on September 09, 2010, 05:34:17 PM
CW, I usually highlight the text in the scroll and copy it.  You have to make sure you are on the text when you highlight it.  I ususally have to have 2 windows open at the same time (1 with ifate website and 1 with MLC website).  Let me know if that works.
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: leftylulu on September 09, 2010, 06:33:21 PM
 My question was about making contact with his son. This is a good reading for a reminder about the MLC process.


A transition from chaos to order is referenced by this hexagram. You have come a long way but the journey is not over. Like a traveler who has traversed a difficult and wide river, you appear to approach your destination. But the river bank is not the final stopping place. The most difficult work is over, but the wise person never stops moving onward in incremental steps. You are entering new territory and it will be smooth going at first. A new relationship or project will get off to the perfect beginning. But stay balanced internally and externally, or else the road ahead could become bumpy.  Completion and beginning are deeply connected. Only one part of your journey is ending.

Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Courageous wife on September 09, 2010, 06:46:24 PM

Ok...I finally got it copied...here is what I got to this question "Please advise on the status of my relationship with my husband"

A transition from chaos to order is referenced by this hexagram. You have come a long way but the journey is not over. Like a traveler who has traversed a difficult and wide river, you appear to approach your destination. But the river bank is not the final stopping place. The most difficult work is over, but the wise person never stops moving onward in incremental steps. You are entering new territory and it will be smooth going at first. A new relationship or project will get off to the perfect beginning. But stay balanced internally and externally, or else the road ahead could become bumpy.  Completion and beginning are deeply connected. Only one part of your journey is ending.

Below is the description of the changing lines:

The changes to line 1 indicate:  "Tail Dipping in Water"- As you cross a wide river, there will be some obstacles that slow you down and cause your "tail" to drag. Keep your focus. Don't let the obstacles distract you from what you sincerely want.

The changes to line 2 indicate:  "Losing One's Veil"- This is a time when you may feel vulnerable and unprotected. This line is a reminder to develop your own inner strength and to get your sense of protection from within your own heart.

The changes to line 3 indicate:  "Employing the Wise"- Gather the strongest team possible. In business, don't hire anyone who you think is unsuitable. In personal life, don't ask an unwise person to assist you.

Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Trustandlove on September 10, 2010, 09:11:58 AM
OK, I bit -- I asked the same question:  please advise on the state of my r with H:

I got: 

Cast Hexagram:

24 - Twenty-Four
Fu / Return

Thunder regenerates deep within Earth's womb:
Sage rulers recognized that the end of Earth's seasonal cycle was also the starting point of a new year and a time for dormancy.
They closed the passes at the Solstice to enforce a rest from commerce and activity.
The ruler himself did not travel.

You have passed this way before but you are not regressing.
This is progress, for the cycle now repeats itself, and this time you are aware that it truly is a cycle.
The return of old familiars is welcome.
You can be as sure of this cycle as you are that seven days bring the start of a new week.
Use this dormancy phase to plan which direction you will grow.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:

You are about to experience a rebirth -- about to be given another chance, a new lease on life.
You have persevered, gone the distance through an entire cycle -- through the Spring of hope or new passion, through a Summer of growth and building, only to be sacrificed like the archetypal Harvest King at the Autumn reaping.
You lie dormant like seed beneath Winter snows now, healing and absorbing new energies in preparation for the new young Spring coming shortly to your life.


No changing lines. 

Now, remembering that this isn't a predictive tool, it is about me in the present, it is confirming that yes, this is another cycle, all part of the process.  I have yet another opportunity to learn how to deal with it all. 
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: StillStanding on September 10, 2010, 11:18:31 AM
"How should I proceed this weekend if my wife comes by?"

Cast Hexagram:
52 - Fifty-Two
Kên / The Mountain

Above this Mountain's summit another more majestic rises:
The Superior Person is mindful to keep his thoughts in the here and now.

Stilling the sensations of the Ego, he roams his courtyard without moving a muscle, unencumbered by the fears and desires of his fellows.
This is no mistake.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:
There is a higher vantage point available to you, but it is obscured by the visible peak of personal ambition.
To climb to this higher plane, you must shake off the desires and fears of the conscious, visible world around you.
To make this journey you must quiet the Ego, empty your mind of past and future, and dwell totally in the moment at hand.
Thorough mindfulness of what is before you is the only tranquility.
Be. Here. Now.

No changing lines so no transformed hexagram.
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: StillStanding on September 10, 2010, 11:41:40 AM
As an experiment, I asked the same question of iFate: "How should I proceed this weekend if my wife comes by?"

No. 15: "Modesty and Progress"
This hexagram symbolizes the two concepts of modesty and progress.  The suggestion here is that progress at this time can best be accomplished through a modest approach.  Self promotion or boasting are seen as strong negatives here. Actions will speak far louder than self-serving words. If something is unknown, ask without shame.  Feigning knowledge brings misfortune.

NOTE: There is 1 changing-line in the hexagram above.  This specially marked line (#3,) reveals how the situation is changing and gives insight into the future of the situation.
The changes to line 3 indicate:  "Merit Acknowledged"- This changing line near the center of the hexagram is an indication that merit is being publicly acknowledged.  There is also a warning here against the temptations of fame, popularity and glamour.  Such things are the opposite of modesty and destroy one's ability to see things in perspective.  The acknowledgment of merit is good fortune.  To revel in this acknowledgment is to turn good luck into bad.

THE FUTURE: No. 2 "The Receptive"
The Receptive is the hexagram denoting "devotion" and the spirit of the Earth.  Fertile ground is required for creation. The hexagram of "the receptive" often has a strong female meaning, but can denote a powerful relationship between either a man and a woman, a father and son or between friends.  A conscious act of devotion and a willingness to stand by that person, principle or force which sustains us, guides us or fills us with energy.

(It's not a perfect test because my perspective and mood when I asked the question for the second time is not the same as when I asked for the first time, which will yield different results.)
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: StillStanding on September 13, 2010, 09:04:26 AM
Question: "How should I respond to my wife this week?"

Cast Hexagram:
49 - Forty-Nine
Ko / Revolution

Fire ignites within the Lake, defying conditions that would deny it birth or survival:
The Superior Person reads the Signs of the Times and makes the Season apparent to all.

The support you need will come only after the deed is done.
Renewed forces, however, will provide fresh energy for exceptional progress.
Persevere.
All differences vanish.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:
A revolutionary Change must be made forcibly.
There is no negotiating with the Established Order.
Perfect timing is essential.
Let the abuse of power become apparent and oppressive to those around you before making your move.
Lay the groundwork, sow the seeds for Revolution without tipping your hand prematurely.
You will need a strong foundation, because you will have to bring about this necessary change alone.
You cannot count on popular support, so you must wait until there is massive dissent.
Then the avenue for your assault will be cleared.

Changing Lines:
There are Two Changing Lines.
An Old Yang for Line 5
An Old Yin for Line 6
The Old Yin prevails.

Hexagram Forty-Nine/Line Six:
You dodge the snares and snatch victory with the lightning speed and agility of a panther.
The jackals lose their nerve and swear allegiance to you.
You have won your revolt.
Don't seek to climb higher.
Instead stabilize the new order for the good of all.

Transformed Hexagram:
30 - Thirty
Li / Igniting

Fire sparks more Flames:
The Superior Person holds an inner Fire that ignites passion in every heart it touches, until all the world is enlightened and aflame.

With so searing a flame, success will not be denied you.
Take care to be as peaceful and nurturing as the cow in the meadow; you are strong enough to be gentle.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:
A Promethean flame is delivering light and heat to the situation at hand.
This radiance will cause such an alchemical transformation of circumstances that the changes will seem magical, miraculous.
Yet they are only shifts of perspective and attitude that bring clarity.
The passions kindled by this fire must be harnessed and used judiciously, or they threaten to consume your hopes and dreams.
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Voyager on September 13, 2010, 10:26:30 AM
Hi SS,
what do you make of your readings so far? It would be interesting to see what has come out of earlier readings for people on here, not necessarily in a predictive sense, but does it help with insight.
I take readings everyday, not just about h but about myself, i've found it really calming and you do tend to get the same readings coming up which point to a general direction.
What's anyone else's experience??
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: StillStanding on September 13, 2010, 11:29:08 AM
Well, many of the questions I have been asking center around interaction with my wife, of which there has been little.

But I have noticed a common theme of patience, contemplation, and deliberate action in my answers.
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Trustandlove on September 13, 2010, 02:21:03 PM
I've found it interesting that what I get on the IChing seems to echo what is said to me here... i.e. do nothing, gather strength, gain allies.  Particularly the latest one on "this is a cycle, you now recognise it as such"....    and "use this dormancy phase to plan which direction you will grow". 

I don't know enough about all the hexagrams; perhaps they are all open to whatever interpretation we feel they need?    But the last one really did seem to hit the nail on the head.    As long as I take the "opportunity for another chance" to mean working on myself, rather than as a prediction of what will happen with H -- or that I don't read anything particular into the type of chance that is meant.....
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: StillStanding on September 13, 2010, 02:30:46 PM
The idea behind the I Ching is that it's not a fortune-telling device but rather it's a means of mediating on yourself.

There are only so many combinations of lines to make up hexagrams; Wikipedia has a list of all of the hexagrams and their basic interpretations:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Ching
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: ForeverHopefulOne on September 13, 2010, 02:36:55 PM
Here is the response I got from "Please give me insight on how to treat my H now"

The lesson of this hexagram is that good things come to those who wait.  Patience requires both inner strength and a commitment to resist the temptation of acting prematurely. Often hardships will arise in the course of one's time spent waiting.  The message here is that those who endure these hardships, and "cross great streams" will emerge victorious.  Do not be put off your path at this time.

Description of change: The changes to line 3 indicate:  "Waiting in the Marsh"- While waiting for events to happen, it is important to remain ready for action.  Changes in this line represent a warning that things are not "at the ready" and your response may be too slow when the situation calls for action.

Future: "Limitation" This hexagram is a reminder of boundaries and edges. It implies containment and conservation of funds and energies. Financially, this is a time to tighten your belt. Health wise, this is a time to respect the limits of health and safety. Romance wise, this is a time to recognize the boundaries and limits that others set. Discover your line in the sand. Be conservative in your affairs and the doors to success will stay open. Just as the shore gives shape to a lake, so also do limits and boundaries give shape to your life. Know these lines, and what is within them will grow in power and meaning.
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Trustandlove on September 14, 2010, 01:46:50 PM
I just tried another topic area:  what attitude should I take towards my children when they are acting up?  The response was apt:

Cast Hexagram:

37 - Thirty-Seven
Chia Jên / Family Duties

Warming Air Currents rise and spread from the Hearthfire:
The Superior Person weighs his words carefully and is consistent in his behavior.

Be as faithful as a good wife.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:

One in this situation must be keenly aware of his influence on others.
Maintain a healthy respect for the ripple effect of your words and deeds.
To some you serve as a role model.
You can either help shape their world or tilt them into chaos.
Show temperance and consideration to all.


Changing Lines:

There is One Changing Line.

Hexagram Thirty-Seven/Line Four:

She is the jewel of the home, the family's greatest blessing.
 
Transformed Hexagram:

13 - Thirteen
T'ung Jên / Social Mechanism

Heaven reflects the Flame of clarity:
The Superior Person analyzes the various levels and working parts of the social structure, and uses them to advantage.

Success if you keep to your course.
You may cross to the far shore.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:

This is a matter of Positioning -- not only yourself, but others as well.
There are niches to be filled, potentials to be realized, right livelihoods to be found.
You are not building a new organization, but shoring up an existing infrastructure.
It's worth the effort, because it will provide union, community, and an ironclad alliance.

It seemed exactly right. 
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: StillStanding on September 20, 2010, 12:19:35 PM
Question: "How should I proceed in the face of no contact with my wife?"

Cast Hexagram:
19 - Nineteen
Lin / Noble Calling

The rich, loamy Earth on the banks of the Marsh provides fertile soil for exceptional progress.
The Superior Person is inexhaustible in his willingness to teach, and without limit in his tolerance and support of others.

Supreme Success if you keep to your course.
But be aware that your time is limited; your power will wane, as Summer changes to Fall.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:
You are in a position to help another.
This is a temporary situation, because your power is cyclical, seasonal.
Knowing this, you must perform your good deed without hope of reward.
You are not furthering your own process, but another's.
Though you may cherish this other, you will never possess.
Touch without grasping.
Take comfort in becoming a fond memory.
Nurture, then let go.

No changing lines, so no transformed hexagram.

I'm not quite sure what this means. More of being willing to let her go and "[become] a fond memory"?
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Trustandlove on September 20, 2010, 11:36:18 PM
SS -- this is what the psychic-revelations site that mermaid referenced on page 6 of this thread says about that hexagram:

Interpreting The I Ching - Hexagram 19 Lin

I Ching Hexagram: 19
Name: Lin.

Keyphrase: Approach.

Formed By The Trigrams: Earth over Lake.

General: To make steady progress and advancement you need to learn to recognize favorable opportunities.

Love: Take the time to explore the depths of your relationship and deepen your insight into it.

Business: This is a time when expansion and success are possible.

Personal: Listen to those with more wisdom and experience than you.

Overview: Lin indicates that you have the opportunity to listen to and to learn from those with greater wisdom or experience than you. This opportunity should be welcomed and seized gratefully. As with anything circumstances will change so it is critical that the favorable circumstances currently presented are taken full advantage of. It is a good time to look at any possible future difficulties and to try to deal with them preemptively. Success at this time should be shared with those around you.


I find that site interesting; the explanations are simple, and give food for thought. 

I'm not the best at this, but I always remember that it is for ourselves to think about rather than an oracle about the future. 

But so much about MLC is about letting go....
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: StillStanding on September 21, 2010, 10:54:41 AM
"What attitude should I adopt at this stage of my journey?"

Cast Hexagram:
59 - Fifty-Nine
Huan / Dissolution

Wind carries the Mists aloft:
Sage rulers dedicated their lives to serving a Higher Power and built temples that still endure.

The King approaches his temple.
Success if you stay on course.
You may cross to the far shore.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:
Walls meant to protect have instead separated and isolated.
Your defenses have kept you apart from those whom you most need to touch.
Whatever the reason for discord between you, it is time to lay down your arms.
Dispel the inflexible demands and fears of the Mind so that you may reunite in the Heart.
If you have begrudged, forgive.
If you have torn down, repair.
If you have injured, heal.
If you have judged, pardon.
If you have grasped, let go.

Changing Lines:
There are Two Changing Lines.
The Upper Line applies.

Hexagram Fifty-Nine/Line Four:
He scatters his group far and wide.
Those who return will be of firmer resolve and leaner, stronger fibre.
An ingenious move.

Transformed Hexagram:
10 - Ten
Lü / Worrying the Tiger

Heaven shines down on the Marsh which reflects it back imperfectly:
Though the Superior Man carefully discriminates between high and low, and acts in accord with the flow of the Tao, there are still situations where a risk must be taken.

You tread upon the tail of the tiger.
Not perceiving you as a threat, the startled tiger does not bite.
Success.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:
You have reached a perilous point in your journey.
This is a real gamble -- not a maneuver, not a calculated risk.
The outcome is uncertain.
If it goes as you hope, you will gain -- but if it turns against you it will cause serious injury, at least to your plans.
The best tack is extreme caution and a healthy respect for the danger involved.
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: StillStanding on September 22, 2010, 09:08:17 PM
"How should I behave in the weeks to come?"

Cast Hexagram:
63 - Sixty-Three
Chi Chi / Aftermath

Boiling Water over open Flame, one might extinguish The other:
The Superior Person takes a 360 degree view of the situation and prepares for any contingency.

Success in small matters if you stay on course.
Early good fortune can end in disorder.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:
Victory at the expense of another is a merciless taskmaster.
The precarious balance here is reflected in the lines of the hexagram: each of the yin lines rests upon a strong yang line -- a seemingly perfect arrangement.
But the scales will be tipped with the change of any one line.
And there WILL be change.
Tireless vigilance and an answer to every challenge -- that is the uneasy Seat of Power occupied by the conqueror.

Changing Lines:
There is One Changing Line.

Hexagram Sixty-Three/Line Four:

The finest clothes can be shredded to rags.
Keep a sharp eye on the discontent.

Transformed Hexagram:
49 - Forty-Nine
Ko / Revolution

Fire ignites within the Lake, defying conditions that would deny it birth or survival:
The Superior Person reads the Signs of the Times and makes the Season apparent to all.

The support you need will come only after the deed is done.
Renewed forces, however, will provide fresh energy for exceptional progress.
Persevere.
All differences vanish.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:
A revolutionary Change must be made forcibly.
There is no negotiating with the Established Order.
Perfect timing is essential.
Let the abuse of power become apparent and oppressive to those around you before making your move.
Lay the groundwork, sow the seeds for Revolution without tipping your hand prematurely.
You will need a strong foundation, because you will have to bring about this necessary change alone.
You cannot count on popular support, so you must wait until there is massive dissent.
Then the avenue for your assault will be cleared.
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Mermaid on September 23, 2010, 06:32:27 AM
I've had three iChing readings in the past two days that seem to make no sense in my sitch. Given that H is out of the house, still in replay, these are wierd
1. What attitude would be best to take to H now? 11 Peace. New awakenings, end to animosities, new strength, peace of mind. Changing line 1: action's for other's welfare meet with good fortune. Changing to 7 Collective force; be generous and accomodating in your personal relationships, hold together with your loved ones and overcome difficiculties together.
I sort of understand this as having peace of mind, but part 2?
Today I asked: How can I get H to see how much he is damaging his family, and to return to us? 35 Aspiration. Do not despise easy progress with your love life. Cherish it instead. Changing line 6; Though politically perilous, it is wiser to put infidels within your own city walls to the sword, rather than lead a Crusade to convert faraway lands. (discipline yourself). Changes to 16, Enthusiasm. Thunder comes resounding out of the Earth: Similar thunder roars up from the masses when the Superior Person strikes a chord in their hearts.  Whip up enthusiasm, rally your forces, and move boldly forward.

These sound like everything should be moving forward, but it is not.

I asked Can I influence H's attitude to OW? and I got 18: Repairing the damage (caused by neglect/ decay) Any differences of opinion with your partner should be resolved at this time. Changing line 4: Tolerating the malpractices of the father will lead the son to ruin. (So I shouldn't put up with H's reaply behaviour?) Leading to 34 Awesome power.  Thunder fills the Heavens with its awful roar, not out of pride, but with integrity; if it did less, it would not be Thunder: Because of his Great Power, the Superior Person takes pains not to overstep his position, so that he will not seem intimidating or threatening to the Established Order.  Opportunity will arise along this course.

These are all very auspicious hexagrams, but I can't see what relevance they have to me. I'm stuck. Any ideas?
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: StillStanding on September 23, 2010, 08:51:37 AM
Those are fairly short interpretations of the hexagrams compared to what I've been seeing. Where did you get those from?

EDIT: Wow, I'm sorry -- I was responding to Mermaid and got her situation confused with Voyager's update!

I'll come back to this when I am actually able to pay attention to what I'm writing. :(
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Mermaid on September 23, 2010, 09:01:29 AM
They are summaries, not the whole thing. I get summaries online and also in an iChing workbook I have.
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: ForeverHopefulOne on September 23, 2010, 12:54:17 PM
I went to see my acupuncturist today and we talked about the iChing (pronounced ee-shing) a little bit.  He said that it is very complex and detailed; there are a lot of layers in it that most people have no idea how to interpret. 

I also found out that my constitution is wood-based; strong enough to push through the earth, but also flexible.  I totally see that in myself. 

I went to see him because my hair has been falling out due to the weight loss and stress; hair loss, in Chinese medicine, is connected to the blood; he gave me some herbs to take; we shall see what happens.  He has given me wonderful herbs in the past for shock (right after BD) that worked wonderfully!
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: StillStanding on September 23, 2010, 08:50:02 PM
"What attitude should I adopt in dealing with my own situation for the rest of the month?"

Cast Hexagram:
54 - Fifty-Four
Kuei Mei / A Loveless Marriage [Damn!]

The Thunderstorm inseminates the swelling Lake, then moves on where the Lake cannot follow:
The Superior Person views passing trials in the light of Eternal Truths.
Any action will prove unfortunate.
Nothing furthers.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:
This is at best a Marriage of Convenience.
You have found yourself in desperate straits, a position of weakness, and you are tempted to pay dearly for a remedy.
A drowning man isn't picky about who throws him a rope.
The rescue offered to you now is undesirable.
It may pull you out of this sticky situation, but it will cause even greater predicaments down the road.
Don't obligate yourself in this way.
You are selling your future for a quick fix today.

No changing lines, so no transformed hexagram.
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: StillStanding on September 28, 2010, 07:58:20 AM
"How should I approach this week?"

Cast Hexagram:
60 - Sixty
Chieh / Limitations

Waters difficult to keep within the Lake's banks:
The Superior Person examines the nature of virtue and makes himself a standard that can be followed.

Self-discipline brings success; but restraints too binding bring self-defeat.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:
Cultivating the proper disciplines and the proper degree of discipline are the concerns of this hexagram.
By limiting options, you may give more attention to priorities.
One who is all over the map is no less lost than one without a map.
Avoid asceticism, however.
Deprivation is not wise discipline.
The key here is regulation, not restriction.

Changing Lines:
There is One Changing Line.

Hexagram Sixty/Line Two:
Pacing his own garden and courtyard, he refuses to pass out the gate.
Misfortune.

Transformed Hexagram:
3 - Three
Chun / Difficulty at the Beginning

Thunder from the Deep:
The Superior Person carefully weaves order out of confusion.

Supreme Success if you keep to your course.
Carefully consider the first move.
Seek help.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:
New ventures always pack along their inherent chaos.
Though this is an annoyance at best, and can even imperil or downright doom an endeavor, it is also the friction needed to polish your project to jewel brilliance.
Learn from these early obstacles.
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Trustandlove on September 29, 2010, 02:46:49 AM
I thought what I got this morning was very appropriate:  I asked how I should deal with H's current cycle: 

Cast Hexagram:

60 - Sixty
Chieh / Limitations

Waters difficult to keep within the Lake's banks:
The Superior Person examines the nature of virtue and makes himself a standard that can be followed.

Self-discipline brings success; but restraints too binding bring self-defeat.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:

Cultivating the proper disciplines and the proper degree of discipline are the concerns of this hexagram.
By limiting options, you may give more attention to priorities.
One who is all over the map is no less lost than one without a map.
Avoid asceticism, however.
Deprivation is not wise discipline.
The key here is regulation, not restriction.


Changing Lines:

There are Two Changing Lines.
An Old Yin for Line 3
An Old Yang for Line 5
The Old Yin prevails.

Hexagram Sixty/Line Three:

He without self-restraint today forges the shackles that hobble him tomorrow.


Transformed Hexagram:

11 - Eleven
T'ai / Peace

Heaven and Earth embrace, giving birth to Peace.
The Superior Person serves as midwife, presenting the newborn gift to the people.

The small depart; the great approach.
Success.
Good fortune.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:

It doesn't get any better than this.
Everything is in harmony, all obstacles are cleared from your Path, anything you could ask for is right at hand.
This is the Elysian Fields, the Garden of Eden.
The only thing wrong with Peace is that it, too, must change.
Whether you are in this state of harmony now or it is predicted for your future, recognize it as your greatest opportunity to build your resources against less harmonious times.
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Trustandlove on September 29, 2010, 09:30:20 AM
You can tell I've been doing this a lot today...

This was good -- and very appropriate, I thought:

To the question:  how should I treat myself over the coming period?

Cast Hexagram:

34 - Thirty-Four
Ta Chuang / Awesome Power

Thunder fills the Heavens with its awful roar, not out of pride, but with integrity; if it did less, it would not be Thunder:
Because of his Great Power, the Superior Person takes pains not to overstep his position, so that he will not seem intimidating or threatening to the Established Order.

Opportunity will arise along this course.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:

The Awesome Power available in this hexagram stems from what the Taoists call your Te, a term not perfectly translated into English.
Roughly, it is your Integrity -- not in the Western sense of honor -- but more in the psychological definition of a full integration of Who You Are.
This Awesome Power is achieved only by fully embracing both the good and the bad, the strong and the weak, the masculine and the feminine -- all polarities within you.
Such self-knowledge spawns a Mastery tempered with the humility necessary to rein in and harness this Awesome Power.


Changing Lines:

There are Two Changing Lines.
An Old Yang for Line 4
An Old Yin for Line 6
The Old Yin prevails.

Hexagram Thirty-Four/Line Six:

If the ram butts into the hedge, the entangling thorns will prevent both advance and retreat.
It is best to recognize this danger and avoid it.

Transformed Hexagram:

26 - Twenty-Six
Ta Ch'u / Recharging Power

Heaven's motherlode waits within the Mountain:
The Superior Person mines deep into history's wealth of wisdom and deeds, charging his character with timeless strength.

Persevere.
Drawing sustenance from these sources creates good fortune.
Then you may cross to the far shore.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:

There are important precedents in this situation.
Others have trodden this Path before you, overcoming the same obstacles facing you now, and making crucial decisions at the same crossroads.
Study their journals, watch for their trail markings.
Gain inspiration and wisdom from the heroes and learn from the mistakes of those who chose a sidepath.
All were Seekers, explorers whose daring mapped a course you can follow.
The words and deeds of the finest can imbue you with the courage necessary to face what lies before you.
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: justasking on September 29, 2010, 10:33:05 AM
My question this evening was
Can I influence the relationship between husband and ow.

The reading said

I Ching Hexagram: 49
Name: Ko.

Keyphrase: Revolution.

Formed By The Trigrams: Lake over Fire.

 

General: Only when justified by necessity and clear intent should radical change be undertaken.

Love: Your relationship may be in need of a radical change, but first you should plan for all eventualities.

Business: The timing for radical change should be chosen wisely to maximize results.

Personal: Meditation is the key to taking advantage of the opportunity for radical self-transformation.

 

Overview: Ko appears at a time of potential radical transformation. Although fast, decisive, action is often the best way this is not necessarily so when Ko appears. Timing is crucial. Any action needs to be thoroughly thought out and based on very solid foundations. Action should only be taken if absolutely necessary. Resist the temptation to act impetuously as that will undermine your efforts and quite possibly have a negative affect

Um interesting at the moment.
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Glimmer on September 30, 2010, 05:28:58 AM
Just asked the question 'Will my husband see an awakening and realise the error of his ways?'

Answer was 30- Li/Igniting

Fire sparks more flames. The Superior person holds an inner fire that ignites passion in every heart it touches, until all the world is enlightened and aflame. With so searing a flame, success will not be denied you. Take care to be as peaceful and nurturing as the cow in the meadow; you are strong enough to be gentle.

Analysis - A Promethean flame is delivering light and heat to the situation at hand. This radiance will cause such an alchemical  transformation of circumstances that the changes will seem magical, miraculous. Yet they are only shifts of perspective and attitude that bring clarity. The passions kindled by this fire must be harnessed and used judicially, or they threaten to consume your hopes and dreams.

Interesting. Time will tell.
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Mermaid on October 02, 2010, 02:55:15 PM
Will H ever come back to me, and what do I have to do?
58 - Fifty-Eight
Tui / Empowering
The joyous Lake spans on and on to the horizon:
The Superior Person renews and expands his Spirit through heart-to-heart exchanges with others.

Success if you stay on course.
SITUATION ANALYSIS:

This is the sign of true companionship.
The principals in this situation exchange energy, ideas and feelings, constantly invigorating and encouraging each other to new heights of Spiritual achievement and Self-discovery.
This exchange is not for the glory of the Team, but for furthering the process of each individual's 'Te', or pure potentiality.
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Patience on October 02, 2010, 03:09:17 PM
As I often do I asked simply "How should I act towards my H today?"

The cast hexagram--if I recall correctly refers to the present--was number 15

Success if you carry things through.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:

The Cosmos is moving toward equilibrium.
Extremes are being tempered, excess is beginning to shift toward the empty.
You can use these moderating influences to strike a balance in the world around you.
Remember, though, that this Leveling will not come about through an arrogant confiscation of excess, but through subtler persuasions.
Modesty and moderation are the keys.

The transformed hexagram--the future?? is number 46


Supreme Success.
Have no doubts.
Seek guidance from someone you respect.
A constant move toward greater clarity will bring reward.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:

You are progressing, rising inch-by-inch toward certain success.
What makes this assured is your refusal to tilt headlong toward your goal, slamming into obstacles and going mad with frustration.
You have a clear map before you of the steps necessary to reach your objective.
With faithful patience and a careful conservation of personal energy and resources, you will run this long, slow distance.


Both reminders to be patient and adaptable.   Now I wonder who is the guide?  Someone here, my therapist, a friend, a book, prayer, all of the above?

Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: StillStanding on October 05, 2010, 02:10:05 PM
"What should my attitude be this week?"

Cast Hexagram:
47 - Forty-Seven
K'un / Exhaustion

A Dead Sea, its Waters spent eons ago, more deadly than the desert surrounding it:
The Superior Person will stake his life and fortune on what he deeply believes.

Triumph belongs to those who endure.
Trial and tribulation can hone exceptional character to a razor edge that slices deftly through every challenge.
Action prevails where words will fail.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:
This is the realm of the Shaman.
You have exhausted every alternative, spent yourself completely, taxed body and mind beyond your former limits.
Survival and salvation lie beyond your reach now.
Only transcendence to a new existence -- a higher plane of being -- will see you through.
The Old You is just a dry husk.
You can't return to it.
Metamorphosis is the only grace offered.
You can only return to your homeland as a New You.

... OK, then!
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Trustandlove on October 07, 2010, 04:52:21 AM
I decided to try this again this morning:

I asked:  How should I approach the current situation with H? 

Cast Hexagram:

19 - Nineteen
Lin / Noble Calling

The rich, loamy Earth on the banks of the Marsh provides fertile soil for exceptional progress.
The Superior Person is inexhaustible in his willingness to teach, and without limit in his tolerance and support of others.

Supreme Success if you keep to your course.
But be aware that your time is limited; your power will wane, as Summer changes to Fall.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:

You are in a position to help another.
This is a temporary situation, because your power is cyclical, seasonal.
Knowing this, you must perform your good deed without hope of reward.
You are not furthering your own process, but another's.
Though you may cherish this other, you will never possess.
Touch without grasping.
Take comfort in becoming a fond memory.
Nurture, then let go.

Changing Lines:

There are Three Changing Lines.
The Middle Line applies.

Hexagram Nineteen/Line Four:

Successful or not, a sincere approach is the only course.
 
Transformed Hexagram:

64 - Sixty-Four
Wei Chi / The End In Sight

Fire ascends above the Water:
The Superior Person examines the nature of things and keeps each in its proper place.

Too anxious the young fox gets his tail wet, just as he completes his crossing.
To attain success, be like the man and not like the fox.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:

Resist the rush to completion.
Anticipation of fulfillment may callous you before you have fully absorbed the lessons of the journey.
The endpoint of this Quest will only prove to be the threshold for another.
You are short steps from Mastery on this plane, yet you stride toward Ignorance of the challenges lying beyond.
Savor this accomplishment.
Fully Become.
Take full possession of your world before embarking to discover the next one.
That voyage begins soon enough, and you will reminisce about this one.
These are the Good Old Days.


Interesting.....  I had a dream recently as well, which was set in the evening, which I understand means that something is drawing to a close.  Maybe I'm finally learning to let go? 
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Glimmer on October 12, 2010, 06:50:13 AM
My question today was 'Will my husband come back to me?'

Cast hexagram - 45
Ts'ui/Gathering

The lake rises by welcoming and receiving Earths waters.
The King approaches his temple.
It is wise to seek audience with him there.

Success follows this course. Making an offering will seal good fortune. A goal will be realised now.

Situation Analysis

This is an important Convergence, and you must be part of it. Look for the centre of this convergence.
Like waters running to the sea, like an astronomical convergence of planets revolving around the sun, you should let the gravity of this centre draw you near. Others are also drawn to this centre, and among them you will find shared bonds and kindred spirits. This tribal convergence will give clarity of purpose. You will no longer be alone.

Very interesting I think.
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Butterfly on October 13, 2010, 08:17:43 AM
Question: what is status of my husband in the tunnel?

Cast Hexagram: 21 biting through
The Merciless searing judgement of
Lightning fulfills the warning prophecies
Of distant thunder.
Sage rulers preserved justice by clearly defining the laws
And by delivering the penalties decreed.
Though unpleasant it is best to let justice have it's due.

Situation analysis:
A terrible reckoning is due. A wrong will be righted and even if it is you who were wronged, you will tremble at the power of Justice untempered by Mercy.
Pray for your oppressor that his punishment will fit his crime.

Two changing lines:
Biting into dried meat, and striking the golden arrowhead.
Keeping to this perilous  course will bring  unexpected reward.

Transformed hex: worrying the tiger (ten)
You tread upon the tail of the tiger.
Not perceiving you as a threat, the startled tiger does not bite. Success.

You have reached a perilous part of the journey.
This is a real gamble, not a Manuever or a calculated risk.
The outcome is uncertain . If it goes as you hope, you will gain.
If it goes against you, it will cause serious injury, at least to your plans.

The best tack is extreme caution and a healthy respect for the danger involved.

That's interesting. H seems to be running low on energy. Sleeping a lot.
Wait and see.


Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: StillStanding on October 13, 2010, 02:53:31 PM
"How should I proceed for the rest of the week?"

Cast Hexagram:
15 - Fifteen
Ch'ien / Modesty

The Mountain does not overshadow the Plain surrounding it:
Such modest consideration in a Superior Person creates a channel through which excess flows to the needy.

Success if you carry things through.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:
The Cosmos is moving toward equilibrium.
Extremes are being tempered, excess is beginning to shift toward the empty.
You can use these moderating influences to strike a balance in the world around you.
Remember, though, that this Leveling will not come about through an arrogant confiscation of excess, but through subtler persuasions.
Modesty and moderation are the keys.

Changing Lines:
There are Two Changing Lines.
The Upper Line applies.

Hexagram Fifteen/Line Six:

Modesty is the best face when correcting the errors of your own allies.

Transformed Hexagram:
56 - Fifty-Six
Lu / The Wanderer

Fire on the Mountain, catastrophic to man, a passing annoyance to the Mountain:
The Superior Person waits for wisdom and clarity before exacting Justice, then lets no protest sway him.

Find satisfaction in small gains.
To move constantly forward is good fortune to a Wanderer.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:
You are a stranger to this situation.
It is your attraction to the exotic that has led you here, but you will move on to a new vista when this one has lost its mystique.
Because much of this environment is foreign to you, you must exercise only the best judgement.
You don't know the custom here, and it's too easy to cross a line you don't know is there.
Because you are the foreigner in this setting, you have no history to acquit you.
Watch, listen, study, contemplate, then step lightly but decisively on.
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Mermaid on October 16, 2010, 06:27:27 AM
What attitude should I take to myself and H now?
22 - Twenty-Two Pi / Grace
 Fire illuminates the base of the Mountain: The Superior Person realizes he has not the wisdom to move the course of the world, except by attending to each day's affairs as they come.
Success in small matters. This is a good time to begin something.
SITUATION ANALYSIS:
 The emphasis now is on form, not function -- on the sizzle and not the steak. The environment around you is not one of depth, and you are appreciated now for your image, not your essence. You perfectly fill a role, and no one is seeing the genuine you. Still, you are being listened to and watched. Use this influence to further your goals as much as possible. Even if you don't feel understood, you can perhaps connect with a few isolated hearts. Relax and enjoy the attention.
There is One Changing Line.
Hexagram Twenty-Two/Line One: Honouring his feet, he leaves his carriage to walk.
Overview: Pi is about observing natural grace and allowing that observation to inspire you to emulate it in life. Pi also is a warning not to be taken in by superficial beauty or appearance. Instead, make sure that what lies underneath the surface is more enduring. To neglect to do so may well lead to errors of judgment. Remember, the more enduring beauty is seen with the heart. Not with the eye.

52 - Fifty-Two Kên / The Mountain
 Above this Mountain's summit another more majestic rises: The Superior Person is mindful to keep his thoughts in the here and now.
Stilling the sensations of the Ego, he roams his courtyard without moving a muscle, unencumbered by the fears and desires of his fellows. This is no mistake.
SITUATION ANALYSIS:
 There is a higher vantage point available to you, but it is obscured by the visible peak of personal ambition. To climb to this higher plane, you must shake off the desires and fears of the conscious, visible world around you. To make this journey you must quiet the Ego, empty your mind of past and future, and dwell totally in the moment at hand. Thorough mindfulness of what is before you is the only tranquillity. Be. Here. Now.
Love: In order to see things clearly you must let go of any preconceptions. Overview: Ken reminds you that if your mind is full of clutter it will not be able to hold new thoughts and ideas. Ken appears when you have a need to take a break and withdraw from the world for a moment in order to clear out the old in your mind to make way for the new. Meditation is the key to this process. It is not simply a time for rest. It is not an easy task to free your mind from daily worries, but it is necessary to do so, so that you can see and think more objectively than before. Old thoughts hinder your actions, compelling you to make the same mistakes. Clear them out - don't let them trap you.

I've had this before and I'm beginning to understand what this means. I have to let go of the idea that I can affect what H sees, understands and does. I have to let go of the idea that he will come back and rescue me from this mire. I have to stop feeling resentment and anger. These things trap me in the past.
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: StillStanding on October 17, 2010, 10:27:33 PM
"How should I behave in dealings with my wife?"

Cast Hexagram:
10 - Ten
Lü / Worrying the Tiger

Heaven shines down on the Marsh which reflects it back imperfectly:
Though the Superior Man carefully discriminates between high and low, and acts in accord with the flow of the Tao, there are still situations where a risk must be taken.

You tread upon the tail of the tiger.
Not perceiving you as a threat, the startled tiger does not bite.
Success.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:
You have reached a perilous point in your journey.
This is a real gamble -- not a maneuver, not a calculated risk.
The outcome is uncertain.
If it goes as you hope, you will gain -- but if it turns against you it will cause serious injury, at least to your plans.
The best tack is extreme caution and a healthy respect for the danger involved.

Changing Lines:
There is One Changing Line.

Hexagram Ten/Line Six
At your journey's end, look back and examine the path you chose.
If you find no causes for shame, only good works that make you shine, you may take this as an omen of the certainty of great reward.

Transformed Hexagram:
58 - Fifty-Eight
Tui / Empowering
The joyous Lake spans on and on to the horizon:
The Superior Person renews and expands his Spirit through heart-to-heart exchanges with others.

Success if you stay on course.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:
This is the sign of true companionship.
The principals in this situation exchange energy, ideas and feelings, constantly invigorating and encouraging each other to new heights of Spiritual achievement and Self-discovery.
This exchange is not for the glory of the Team, but for furthering the process of each individual's 'Te', or pure potentiality.
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: justasking on October 21, 2010, 03:53:44 PM
Can anyone give me an insigt into this hexagram. Not good at the lateral thinking:

Question
How does the other woman view me

Hexagram 54 Kuei mei/a loveless marriage

The thunderstorm inseminates the swelling lake, then moves on where the lake cannot follow:
The superior person views passing trials in the light of eternal truths.
Any action will prove unfortunate.
Nothing furthers.

Situation analysis
This is at best a marriage of convenience.
You have found yourself in desperate straits, a position of weakness and you are tempted to pay dearly for a remedy.
A drowning man isn’t picky about who throws him a rope.
The rescue offered to you now is undesirable.
It may pull you out of a sticky situation, but it will cause even greater predicaments down the road.
Don’t obligate yourself in this way.
You are selling your future for a quick fix.

Transformed hexagram number 24 Fu/ return
Thunder generates deep within earth’s womb:
Sage rulers recognise that the end of earth’s seasonal cycle was also the starting point of a new year and a time for dormancy.
They closed the passes at the solstice to enforce a rest from commerce and activity.
The ruler himself did not travel.
You have passed this way before but you are not regressing.
This is progress, for the cycles now repeats itself and this time you are truly aware that it is a cycle.
The return of old familiars is welcome.
You can be as sure of this cycle as you are that seven days brings the start of the new week.
Use this dormancy phase to plan which direction you will grow.

Situation analysis:
You are about to experience a rebirth - -  about to be given another chance, a new lease of life.
You have persevered, gone the distance through an entire cycle - - through the spring of hope or new passion, through a summer of growth and building, only to be sacrificed like the archetypal Harvest King at the autumn reaping.
You lie dormant like seed beneath winter snows now, healing and absorbing new energies in preparation for the new young spring coming shortly to your life.

Changing lines: Hexagram 54 line 4
The maiden waits far longer than seems wise, to make sure her marriage is right.

Any insight would be gratefully appreciated.

xx

Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Trustandlove on October 29, 2010, 03:18:02 AM
I asked:

What lessons do I need to learn right now?

I got:


Cast Hexagram:

18 - Eighteen
Ku / Repairing the Damage

Winds sweep through the Mountain valley:
The Superior Person sweeps away corruption and stagnation by stirring up the people and strengthening their spirit.

Supreme success.
Before crossing to the far shore, consider the move for three days.
After crossing, devote three days of hard labor to damage control.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:

You are blessed with an opportunity to resuscitate that which others have abandoned as beyond repair.
This ruin wasn't caused by evil intention, but by indifference to decay.
Just by addressing yourself to the problem, you exhibit a new awareness, a fresh perspective.
This is a time of recovery, renewal, regeneration.


I meant to ask what lessons I needed to learn for my self; I guess this could be interpreted as an opportunity to repair my marriage, which is how we all would LIKE to interpret it, but in the context of learning lessons for myself it also applies. 

I'm really trying to work on me; I know H is still deep in the tunnel. 
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Trustandlove on October 30, 2010, 01:53:33 AM
I asked:

What will happen if I draw a boundary?

I got:

Cast Hexagram:

44 - Forty-Four
Kou / Compulsion

A playful Zephyr dances and delights beneath indulgent Heaven:
A Prince who shouts orders but will not walk among his people may as well try to command the four winds.

A strong, addictive temptation, much more dangerous than it seems.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:

You are ignoring a clear and present danger to your well-being.
If this threat emanated from a heavy-handed oppressor, you would see it coming.
But this danger comes to you in the form of a seduction, an amusement, a diversion, an indulgence that is eating away at the fiber of your secure little world.
You are too cocksure.
You underestimate the tribute this dalliance will demand.


Changing Lines:

There is One Changing Line.

Hexagram Forty-Four/Line Five:

Keep this melon growing in the shade.
It is a blessing from heaven.


Transformed Hexagram:

50 - Fifty
Ting / The Caldron

Fire rises hot and bright from the Wood beneath the sacrificial caldron:
The Superior Person positions himself correctly within the flow of Cosmic forces.

Supreme Accomplishment.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:

Your needs are coming into harmony with the requirements of the Cosmos.
Blending brilliantly with the Dance of Life, you are becoming an actual element of Cosmic Law.
Your goals will now be realized because you no longer cut against the Cosmic grain; you are no longer swimming against the flow of the Tao.
You are acquiring an intuitive sense of what can and cannot be, and aligning your efforts accordingly.

That seems to be pretty clear that boundaries shouldn't be draw just for the sake of doing so.....

Interesting; not an oracle, but definitely food for thought.  I'm getting better at this, at seeing that it's saying that if I don't draw boundaries just to be "firm", that I will go with the flow and let go. 
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Glimmer on January 01, 2011, 12:57:32 PM
Not used this for a while.  Thought I would give this a try as it is the start of a new year.

My question was:  Will my husband leave his mistress and come back home to his family?

The answer was 24 Fu/Return

Thunder regenerates deep within earths womb
Sage rulers recognise that the end of Earth's seasonal cycle was also the starting point of a new year and a time for dormancy.
They closed the passes at the solstice to enforce a rest from commerce and activity.
The ruler himself did not travel.
You have passed this way before, but you are not regressing.
This is progress, for the cycle now repeats itself, and this time you are aware that it is truly a cycle.
The return of old familiars is welcome
You can be as sure of this cycle as you are that seven days brings the start of a new week.
Use this dormancy phase to plan which direction you will grow.

Situation Analysis

You are about to experience a rebirth - about to be given another chance, a new lease on life.
You have preserved, gone the distance through an entire cycle - through the Spring of hope or new passion, through a Summer of growth and rebuilding, only to be sacrificed like the archetypal Harvest king at the autumn reaping.
You lie dormant like seed beneath Winter snows now, healing and absorbing new energies in preparation for the new young Spring coming shortly to your life.

Very interesting.
Will have to wait and see.

 
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: truth_seeker on January 01, 2011, 03:49:45 PM
My question today was:  How should should I deal with H's current cycle?

Answer:  36

Ming I / Eclipsing the Light: warmth and light are swallowed by deep darkness.  The superior person shows his brilliance by keeping it veiled among the masses.
Stay true to your course, despite the visible obstacles ahead
Hex 36 / Line 1:
The pheasant's wings falter and droop from exhaustion.  The man wanders three days without eating.  He goes where he must, though scorn awaits him.

Situation Analysis:
This time calls for a saintly effort to turn the other cheek.  You have been deliberately injured.  Going blow by blow will only escalate this war. Abstain from vengeance.  Show all watching that you are above it.  Sidestep your aggressor's headlong charge, giving him the opportunity to fall on his face.

The cosmos is moving toward equilibrium.  Extremes are being tempered, excess is beginning to shift towards the empty.  You can use these moderating influences to strike a balance in the world around you.  Remember, though, that this leveling will not come about through an arrogant confiscation of excess, but through subtler persuasions.  Modesty and moderation are the keys. 

Interesting given my current situation.  Let's hope the little birdie droops.  :o  Sorry hope this doesn't offend anyone.
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Mermaid on May 16, 2011, 06:36:30 AM
Just bumping this up....
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: good4me on May 16, 2011, 08:15:19 AM
Can someone explain how this works ? I looked a website but found it a bit confusing.
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Mermaid on May 16, 2011, 08:27:58 AM
Instructions:
1. Go to: http://www.ichingonline.net/ (http://www.ichingonline.net/)
2. Write your question in the box (I usually write something along the lines of "what is the best attitude to take to H at the moment?")
3. Press "continue"
4.Press the "throw virtually" button SIX times
5. Press the "read" button. A new window will open. (You need to make sure your computer permits this)
6.Read the cast hexagram, then the changing lines (what may affect the situation), and then the changed hexagram (the future of the situation).

If you want to keep a record of your iChing questions, select the text and press ctrl+C
If you don't understand it very well, you can read ORIGINAL TEXT (at the bottom), which is more symbolic, or choose the appropriate hexagrams from:
http://www.psychic-revelation.com/reference/i_l/i_ching/i_ching_interpretation.html (http://www.psychic-revelation.com/reference/i_l/i_ching/i_ching_interpretation.html)
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: good4me on May 16, 2011, 10:20:04 AM
What kind of questions do you ask when H is gone he's a vanisher ? Last contact was text april 14
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Mermaid on May 16, 2011, 10:56:31 AM
You can still ask about what sort of attitude to take to him (mentally), or how you can overcome your pain, or how to make the best of the current situation.

It depends what you want to know.

The way to read it is to see what type of truths it stimulates inside you. It is not meant to give you hope or take it away, or to be an oracle for the future, but to reflect on your situation.

Good luck
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Anjae on July 09, 2012, 05:24:52 PM
Thanks for bumping this, Limitless. I’m in a mood for a little lightness in this MLC thing so I  tried the I-Ching and asked the question that Mermaid has asked on her first post:

“How can I deal with my current situation with H”.

I got Hexagram 5, Waiting

Key Questions: How can you wait patiently and with commitment? ; While you wait, how can you best make yourself ready?

Oracle:
‘Waiting, with truth and confidence.
Shining out, creating success: constancy brings good fortune.
Fruitful to cross the great river.’
You wait for what you need, like a farmer waiting for the weather to change. This is not a passive state; you can dance for rain, influence events by bringing yourself into harmony with the outcome you need. But you cannot force this, you can only attend to it. You will need patience: it may all take much longer than you had imagined. When you are fully present in waiting, your intense attention shines out like a beacon, beginning a creative engagement with the world – not by working on anything, but by waiting on it and holding your faith.
And in crossing the river, committing yourself to go as far as you can towards what you’re waiting for, you begin the transition into the world where it is real.
Image
‘The clouds are above heaven: Waiting.
 
 Sequence
Waiting follows from Hexagram 4, Not Knowing:
‘Young things cannot do without nourishment, and so Waiting follows. Waiting means the way of eating and drinking.’
Pair
Waiting forms a pair with Hexagram 6, Arguing:
‘Waiting means no progress, Arguing means no connection.’
Changing Lines
Line 1
‘Waiting at the outskirts altar,
Fruitful to use perseverance – no mistake.’
Line 2
‘Waiting on the sands, there are small words.
in the end, good fortune.’
Line 3
‘Waiting in the bog invites the arrival of robbers.’
Line 4
‘Waiting in blood.
Come out of the pit.’
Line 5
‘Waiting with food and drink.
Constancy, good fortune.’
Line 6
‘Entering into the pit.
There are uninvited guests – three people come.
Honour them: in the end, good fortune.’

The related Hexagram 19, Nearing

Key Questions: How does this want to grow? ; How can you take responsibility for its development? ; What would your greater self do?

Oracle:
‘Nearing.
Creating success from the source, constancy bears fruit.
Reaching an end in the eighth month means a pitfall.’
‘Nearing’ means drawing closer and gazing down over what you approach. There are two strands of meaning here: the approach of a greater spirit or presence in an ongoing process of growth, and your approach as the one who pays attention and takes responsibility. Like the creative drive of Hexagram 1, this great, growing energy comes from the source, asks for your full participation, and seeks to reach fruition and be realized. But its surging growth can be disastrously interrupted by ‘reaching an end in the eighth month’.
The eighth month is the month of harvest. If this comes round too soon for what Nears to reach full growth – if the situation demands that you produce a tangible result prematurely – then this means misfortune. Or if you focus exclusively on results instead of watching patiently over developments – if your expectations are out of touch with the pace of growth – then there is misfortune.
Having something to show for a process of growth doesn’t mean you’ve arrived at its outcome: harvest is not the end. As each harvest is gathered in and stored, the seasonal cycle of growth continues; you need to stay present to its ongoing changes, wherever they might lead.

Image
‘Above the lake is earth: Nearing.
A noble one teaches and reflects untiringly,
Accepts and protects the people without limit.’
Sequence
Nearing follows from Hexagram 18, Corruption:
‘With work to do, greatness becomes possible, and so Nearing follows. Nearing means greatness.’
Pair
Nearing forms a pair with Hexagram 20, Seeing:
‘What is right for Nearing and Seeing: someone reaches out, someone seeks.’
Changing Lines
Line 1
‘Influence nearing.
Constancy, good fortune.’
Line 2
‘Influence nearing, good fortune.
Nothing that does not bear fruit.’
Line 3
‘Sweetness nearing,
No direction bears fruit.
Already grieving it, no mistake.’
Line 4
‘An end nearing,
No mistake.’
Line 5
‘Realization nearing.
Right for a great leader.
Good fortune.’
Line 6
‘Great-hearted nearing
Good fortune, no mistake.’

Think the I-Ching just gave me a good description of what a LBS requires… Waiting, Patiente, Constancy… Well… I’ll wait then…  ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
Post by: Rollercoasterider on July 09, 2012, 08:57:33 PM
I've just started a new thread for continuing this topic.
http://mlcforum.theherosspouse.com/index.php?topic=2652.0 (http://mlcforum.theherosspouse.com/index.php?topic=2652.0)