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Title: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: OldPilot on March 02, 2015, 09:27:48 AM
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Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: riverbirch on March 02, 2015, 09:54:21 AM
 You guys sure do talk!
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: honour on March 02, 2015, 11:27:57 AM
You guys sure do talk!
Thank you for getting the conversation started.
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: riverbirch on March 02, 2015, 11:29:31 AM
Maybe if our husbands could open up like all of you,we might get somewhere.
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Braveheart on March 02, 2015, 12:04:26 PM
Maybe if our husbands could open up like all of you,we might get somewhere.

No, at home we'd all be sleeping on the couch if we did ;). If a man brought up most of what we've mentioned here in public or at work he probably loose his job or at the very least be hauled up to HR for a reaming...
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Mac49 on March 02, 2015, 01:27:28 PM
Question to all that might reply.

X has be gone 5 years, divorced 4 yet consistently I will still get mail, at my home, addressed to her including Saturday when Cosmo showed up.

Cosmo never appeared in the mailbox while we were together.

Curious

Mac
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: honour on March 02, 2015, 01:38:05 PM
Question to all that might reply.

X has be gone 5 years, divorced 4 yet consistently I will still get mail, at my home, addressed to her including Saturday when Cosmo showed up.

Cosmo never appeared in the mailbox while we were together.

Curious

Mac
What's the question?
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Thundarr on March 02, 2015, 01:54:13 PM
Mac's XW must have put his address on her subscription, best I can tell.
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: elray on March 02, 2015, 01:56:14 PM
retaliate -- subscribe her to GQ.
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Ready2Transform on March 02, 2015, 02:05:19 PM
Question to all that might reply.

X has be gone 5 years, divorced 4 yet consistently I will still get mail, at my home, addressed to her including Saturday when Cosmo showed up.

Cosmo never appeared in the mailbox while we were together.

Curious

Mac

Gone 3.5 years, divorced over a year and a half, and I just started getting a subscription to a magazine addressed to his long-gone (2012) business.  They put the "script" in "subscription.  ::) ;D

Keeping a foot in the door?  Making sure we don't forget they exist?  Random coincidence?  Time will tell.
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: MyBrainIsBroken on March 02, 2015, 03:30:55 PM
Keeping a foot in the door?  Making sure we don't forget they exist?  Random coincidence?  Time will tell.
My son-in-law has been dead for 7 years, last week I received a copy of ESPN in his name. Keeping a foot in the door?  :o :o :o
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Braveheart on March 02, 2015, 03:46:35 PM
Keeping a foot in the door?  Making sure we don't forget they exist?  Random coincidence?  Time will tell.
My son-in-law has been dead for 7 years, last week I received a copy of ESPN in his name. Keeping a foot in the door?  :o :o :o

I still get mail for mine and she's been gone almost four years now. I think it's just a case of they just don't care enough to send in a change of address.
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: MeNow on March 02, 2015, 05:23:01 PM
What I want to know is who still subscribes to magazines? And with MBIB's revelation, it's getting creepy as well.
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Mad Hatter on March 02, 2015, 06:29:48 PM
retaliate -- subscribe her to GQ.

I like this idea, but I would go with something more extreme. Maybe some penthouse or swank; maybe some strong anti-political rag and get her on a watch list!

Seriously though, if it bugs you just go to the post office and get a change of address for her And stop it from coming to your place!
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Rookie13 on March 02, 2015, 06:34:33 PM
Yep 'retaliate' had me laughing!  ;D

Mac..I'd go NC with your mailman..... :)
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: stayed on March 03, 2015, 12:12:11 AM
Some of these "deliveries/subscriptions" have been started up recently.  There is no reason for these mags to be coming to your homes, at all.  To me, that indicates that your partner 1) forgot and sent it to his old address, or 2)  he/she deliberately had it sent there! 

I agree coincidence, deliberate??

As for the other mail, bank stuff etc.  not sure what happens there, but I have received mail from tenants who lived in my home years and years ago.. and they just keep on coming.  I've returned them to "sender", you name it.  Next month, there they are again.

I can only assume that many businesses do not update the information on their clients.

Hugs Stayed
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: crazyjourney on March 03, 2015, 01:22:51 AM
Exactly, safer to stay on my own, thats what I said.

If you look closely you probably go for the same type as your ex/spouses too, or you did at least before you had your own awakening if you have come that far, if you havent your in for trouble if you meet someone else.

So the minute I dont fancy a daisy picking Mel Gibson I know I am on the right track then, have to work on that.

Food for thought eh!

x





Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: honour on March 03, 2015, 03:02:12 AM
Maybe if our husbands could open up like all of you,we might get somewhere.

No, at home we'd all be sleeping on the couch if we did ;). If a man brought up most of what we've mentioned here in public or at work he probably loose his job or at the very least be hauled up to HR for a reaming...
But we are ok here, Braveheart, because we have the purple seal of approval.

Look around this forum and you see both men and women mutually supportive of each other in the plight of the LBS, yet it is deemed necessary to have this thread come with a patronising, if not sexist, purple warning. Seriously? What is the thought process going on here? "uh oh, it's a thread for men by men, I better just tell them that I, a female, approve it, but before even a word is written I will just warn them against bad and abusive behaviour because you know what men are like…"

"Decent" men are just not very highly valued, they are seen by many as schmucks, gullible, easily manipulated meal tickets or a means of advancement. The opening post in the Man Cave 5 is an unconscious suggestion that the men here lack masculinity.

It is the bad asses who are valued. You don't believe me? Look around this forum and it is chocked full of women who are aching to be in a relationship with someone who has lied and cheated on them. Yet, men who have been loyal, loving and strive to live by principles and who have themselves suffered abuse are "permitted" approved threads that carry large purple warnings against abusive behaviour.

How often do we hear the phrase, "there are no good men left." Maybe there are good men left but perhaps they are just not highly valued.

Ironically, the first person to roll into the Man Cave drunk and "weighing in" was a female.
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OK I've been out... I'm drunk...

Most of you think you are in love with you wives   (or ex wives)

Controlling isn't caring...just sayin'

And MONEY and sex isn't what it's all about..Have you figured that out yet?


 Knock yourselves out. ..vent all you want...In It has weighed in.
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: LaughLoveLive on March 03, 2015, 03:36:26 AM
Id like to believe I value good men, honour, men with values and who live life with honour and dignity and integrity.  I see lots of good men here on this forum.  Frustrated and hurt men, sure, but good men who I'd love to meet in real life and who give me hope that not all men turn out like my H - a man I once thought was a man of integrity and honour but has shown himself to be not like that at all. The husband I knew IS someone I would like to be with....that guy over there,living with his secretary, who abandoned and betrayed me and my children? ... no, I don't want him.

I don't value "bad asses", I never have, but for a long time I tried to have faith in my H and to stay committed to those vows I made on our wedding day almost 25 years ago (next month...) when I promised to stick by him "for better or worse". Maybe this is the "worse" and what kind of wife would I be if I just walked away when things got a bit tough?? And what kind of person would I be if I didn't give someone a second chance? Or wasn't able to forgive someone especially if they showed genuine remorse?

I'm sorry you felt patronised - I for one appreciated the warning that the tone of this particular thread may be different to one dominated by women. Not bad or or abusive, just a different perspective. Men and women aren't the same. I Hope I havent irritated you more. I'm trying to be supportive, I hope it came across that way. I'm almost not game to hit "post" but here goes...
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Thundarr on March 03, 2015, 03:39:21 AM
Maybe if our husbands could open up like all of you,we might get somewhere.

No, at home we'd all be sleeping on the couch if we did ;). If a man brought up most of what we've mentioned here in public or at work he probably loose his job or at the very least be hauled up to HR for a reaming...
But we are ok here, Braveheart, because we have the purple seal of approval.

Look around this forum and you see both men and women mutually supportive of each other in the plight of the LBS, yet it is deemed necessary to have this thread come with a patronising, if not sexist, purple warning. Seriously? What is the thought process going on here? "uh oh, it's a thread for men by men, I better just tell them that I, a female, approve it, but before even a word is written I will just warn them against bad and abusive behaviour because you know what men are like…"

"Decent" men are just not very highly valued, they are seen by many as schmucks, gullible, easily manipulated meal tickets or a means of advancement. The opening post in the Man Cave 5 is an unconscious suggestion that the men here lack masculinity.

It is the bad asses who are valued. You don't believe me? Look around this forum and it is chocked full of women who are aching to be in a relationship with someone who has lied and cheated on them. Yet, men who have been loyal, loving and strive to live by principles and who have themselves suffered abuse are "permitted" approved threads that carry large purple warnings against abusive behaviour.

How often do we hear the phrase, "there are no good men left." Maybe there are good men left but perhaps they are just not highly valued.

Ironically, the first person to roll into the Man Cave drunk and "weighing in" was a female.
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OK I've been out... I'm drunk...

Most of you think you are in love with you wives   (or ex wives)

Controlling isn't caring...just sayin'

And MONEY and sex isn't what it's all about..Have you figured that out yet?


 Knock yourselves out. ..vent all you want...In It has weighed in.

This.  I've said it all along.  We are basically "friend-zoned" even here.  I miss the old LifeTwo thread where we used to open up the way men truly do when they're together.  All too often we end up being defined by women rather than men or ourselves.  It happened in our marriages and in many ways happens even now.  Perhaps we all unwittingly slide into our old roles and become surrogate W's and H's to each other here.  Maybe that's why I've been itching to buy a 4x4 truck lately.....
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: stayed on March 03, 2015, 04:02:24 AM
Wait a second!  I don't see how we are being BLAMED for how you men are being defined.  If your old Two Life Thread was so great... where is it now?  Why isn't it still in existence?  If it doesn't exist any longer, then form another one. 

Who is saying there are no DECENT men out there?  Who is saying there are no DECENT women out there?  That is bull$hit, we all know that's not true.  You are obviously FISHING in the wrong pool.  If you are not attracting the opposite sex, think about what your BODY LANGUAGE is saying.  99% of the time, it is saying... NOT INTERESTED!  LEAVE ME ALONE! 

We determine the outcome of our lives.  If we aren't happy with the direction our lives are going... then change direction... don't shove your thumb in your mouth, sit down and cry.  Get up and look elsewhere!

The reason the notice was put up on top was because we had a few... (REPEAT... A FEW) people(ok women) that were upset about the way SOME men word things... so they were given their own THREAD... where they could say whatever they wanted.  If anybody complained, we were able to point at the NOTICE and say... you were warned,  NOT INTERESTED IN YOUR COMPLAINTS!!!  If you don't like what they are saying... STAY OFF THEIR F*CKING THREAD! 

More proof, " no good deed .....  GOES UNPUNISHED!"  Damn, sometimes you just can't win for losing!  I am a woman and I have not desire to DEFINE any bloody man.  Having a hard enough time defining myself. 

Hugs Stayed

Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: MIMIx on March 03, 2015, 04:17:24 AM
In respect of the subscriptions...

Advertising/ promotion companies buy lists of names and addresses from other companies.  They use these lists to mail out promotions on behalf of other companies.

It sounds like they bought an old list and used it to promote Cosmo magazine.  It may not have had anything to do with your ex spouse.
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: in it on March 03, 2015, 04:37:38 AM
And I apologize for my drunken post .

That's just what my experience with men has been. And THAT'S MY FAULT. I sure can pick 'em.  ::)

Actually I was hoping some of the men WOULD VENT. It's perfectly normal to be angry, hurt and however else you feel about this.

And I agree with Stayed if someone doesn't like the thread DON'T firetruckING READ IT!
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Dji76 on March 03, 2015, 05:09:29 AM
Honestly fellas, we are only defined by women if we allow it to be that way.
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: stayed on March 03, 2015, 05:16:04 AM
Honestly fellas, we are only defined by women if we allow it to be that way.

Yes... yes... yes!  NOBODY defines us... unless we let them!

hugs Stayed
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: in it on March 03, 2015, 05:34:28 AM
My sentiments exactly!  :)
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: honour on March 03, 2015, 05:39:01 AM
Wait a second!  I don't see how we are being BLAMED for how you men are being defined.  If your old Two Life Thread was so great... where is it now?  Why isn't it still in existence?  If it doesn't exist any longer, then form another one. 

Who is saying there are no DECENT men out there?  Who is saying there are no DECENT women out there?  That is bull$hit, we all know that's not true.  You are obviously FISHING in the wrong pool.  If you are not attracting the opposite sex, think about what your BODY LANGUAGE is saying.  99% of the time, it is saying... NOT INTERESTED!  LEAVE ME ALONE! 

We determine the outcome of our lives.  If we aren't happy with the direction our lives are going... then change direction... don't shove your thumb in your mouth, sit down and cry.  Get up and look elsewhere!

The reason the notice was put up on top was because we had a few... (REPEAT... A FEW) people(ok women) that were upset about the way SOME men word things... so they were given their own THREAD... where they could say whatever they wanted.  If anybody complained, we were able to point at the NOTICE and say... you were warned,  NOT INTERESTED IN YOUR COMPLAINTS!!!  If you don't like what they are saying... STAY OFF THEIR F*CKING THREAD! 

More proof, " no good deed .....  GOES UNPUNISHED!"  Damn, sometimes you just can't win for losing!  I am a woman and I have not desire to DEFINE any bloody man.  Having a hard enough time defining myself. 

Hugs Stayed
Stayed, you know I have enormous respect for you and all that you do here, working tirelessly and voluntarily to help the LBS of both genders get back on their feet, you are truly a hero of the Hero Spouse but you must be able to see the irony of you, a woman, coming into the Man Cave, reading a man's vent, not liking what you have read and then complaining about it knowing full well that you were warned
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you were warned,  NOT INTERESTED IN YOUR COMPLAINTS!!!  If you don't like what they are saying... STAY OFF THEIR F*CKING THREAD! 
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: stayed on March 03, 2015, 05:46:49 AM
Honestly Honour, you are right, I do find it offensive!  That being said, I have NEVER complained about anybody's thread... EVER!  If I didn't like what I was reading, I simply stayed away from that thread.  Sadly, we have SOME people who seem to feel that this forum serves only the PURPOSE for which they see it.  Admittedly, those 2 or 3 people would have a very boring FORUM but, they do tend to go on and on about things.

Therefore, I prefer being WARNED up front, then having to listen to the ones that are "offended"!  Like the threads I don't care for Honour, I have learned to IGNORE many things that I don't want to see, hear or think about. 

That's one of those lessons that good friends like OP, you, Limitless, Kikki and a number of others have helped me to accept because whenever these DISPUTES did crop up, I wanted to come out swinging!  I've learned just to NOT SEE 'em. 

I respect you too Honour, you put just as much blood, sweat and tears in here as the rest of us.  I felt comfortable in addressing what you said.  I felt it was an opportunity to explain why that STUPID heading is there. 

Just saying buddy... hugs Stayed

Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: bookwrmmom on March 03, 2015, 05:55:38 AM
^^^^^ Ditto what Stayed and Dji said!!

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Look around this forum and it is chocked full of women who are aching to be in a relationship with someone who has lied and cheated on them. Yet, men who have been loyal, loving and strive to live by principles and who have themselves suffered abuse are "permitted" approved threads that carry large purple warnings against abusive behaviour.

See this bothered me because I see just as many men doing the very same thing. As a matter of fact I believe that some of the men are actually MORE TOLERANT of some of their wives bad behavior then some of us women are. Just my observation. Yes my H has done some really bad things, but I have not excused it or made excuses for it. Not excused it with him or when talking about it to others. There are reasons for it yes, but not excuses for it. So us women choosing to remember the honorable men they were for 15, 20, and 30 years or more is no different then you men doing the same for your wives. I believe and know in my heart that the man he truly is deep down inside still there, & he is working to get him back & actually to be even better. Does that mean we will be able to R?? Not sure, & it will be one of the hardest things we have ever done.

As far as the warning goes....I take it for what it is. There are those whose sensibilities are easier to offend, and it was a warning to THEM. I think most of us know there are some really great men here, and honestly most of us ladies can hold our own in the "raunchiness" category. We can give back as good as we get.
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: stayed on March 03, 2015, 06:03:07 AM

As far as the warning goes....I take it for what it is. There are those whose sensibilities are easier to offend, and it was a warning to THEM. I think most of us know there are some really great men here, and honestly most of us ladies can hold our own in the "raunchiness" category. We can give back as good as we get.

Yea, what she said...  :P 

hugs Stayed

In fact, I ENJOY a good "debate"!!!  Bring it!! hehehe
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: MeNow on March 03, 2015, 06:06:12 AM
Ok, but there's no crying in the Man Cave.
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Rookie13 on March 03, 2015, 06:07:42 AM
Lol MeNow!  ;D

Yep, agree Stayed....'no good deed goes unpunished'.....short and simple..Sorry people are looking WAY to much into this thread other than a venting thread for men and any women who wishes to participate...It really is a good idea...

Thundaar, I'm STILL trying to figure out where your post is coming from.  ??? I was on Life two with Rover and BonBon from here and I left for here at the beginning of your tenure there. Before 'your group' arrived it was a caring place also for the wounded (men and women). I was talked off a ledge there and talked quite a few more off one. I don't have a story or thread here as I 'left it all over there' I came aboard here with the mind of Helping people such as yourself....If you did any research ( as in looking back on that thread) on that site it was 90% compassion the year I was there. I went back a few times after and didn't really notice it became a 'men only' type site..Maybe you all scared the women away!  ;D

Anyways, like in all of life, take what you need and leave the rest for someone else.... :)









Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: elray on March 03, 2015, 06:30:20 AM
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Thundaar, I'm STILL trying to figure out where your post is coming from.

Don't worry Rookie -- nobody knows where Thundarr is coming from.  But whatever place he writes from, it does generally make for good reading.

Regarding the discussion of being defined by others  -- that is a male battle cry, if ever I heard it.  Pretty much Mel Gibson in a kilt, blue face paint, and a battle axe screaming "FREEDOM".
 

Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: MeNow on March 03, 2015, 06:41:46 AM
And their commander must cross the battlefield, present herself to our troops, put her head between her legs, and kiss her own arse!
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Braveheart on March 03, 2015, 06:49:26 AM
The L2 forum was for men and women, the section Thundaar was talking about was just one thread with over 15,000 posts. Nobody knows why the site went down, it was obviously making money and had hundreds of posts every week.
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Rookie13 on March 03, 2015, 06:56:44 AM
The one with 15000 posts was the one I was talking about.....and was part of...Wesley 'something of other' started that long before I arrived and was full of compassion...and HOPES of reuniting with his MLCer...
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: OldPilot on March 03, 2015, 06:57:59 AM
it was obviously making money
And how do you know this?
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Thundarr on March 03, 2015, 06:58:13 AM
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Thundaar, I'm STILL trying to figure out where your post is coming from.

Don't worry Rookie -- nobody knows where Thundarr is coming from.  But whatever place he writes from, it does generally make for good reading.

Regarding the discussion of being defined by others  -- that is a male battle cry, if ever I heard it.  Pretty much Mel Gibson in a kilt, blue face paint, and a battle axe screaming "FREEDOM".
 

I'm like a luminous entity devoid of definition or measurement.  LOL!!  My earlier post (made while still half asleep) was that LifeTwo, while completely supportive and caring, literally had no rules or guidelines to abide by.  We were free to speak the way we would at a bar with each other and in so many ways the flow of conversation was much more natural.  Curse words were not edited and NO ONE moderated or deleted anything (even though Rover was a mod there at the end I thinik).  We were free to vent as we pleased and it was very healling.  LifeTwo doesn't exist because of server issues on the side of the owner, not because it died out.  I even started a LifeTwo thread here that was very much a pre-Man Cave but without the disclaimer.  Some of the females who were here at the time took exception to some of the posts and deleted them, even though none were personally directed or patently offensive.  I'm all in favor of this thread and the warning to female LBSes to 'Beware," but at the same time I think Honour and Braveheart are pointing out that we are still constrained by boundaries imposed by a female to prevent offending other females.  I have nothing but respect and gratitude to RCR, Stayed, In It and others here and I really think that only a few would be offended by ANYTHING written in this thread.  That being said, it's often the minority whose wheels get greased due to making the loudest noise.  Heck, some of the females here used to shadow on LifeTwo and one even did a drive-by there once (looking at you, Tsunami!  lol).  BonBon, Lisa and others provided a great female perspective and never mentioned taking offense to anything by any of us.  Just some random thoughts as I'm rushed at work....
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: honour on March 03, 2015, 07:05:21 AM
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Look around this forum and it is chocked full of women who are aching to be in a relationship with someone who has lied and cheated on them. Yet, men who have been loyal, loving and strive to live by principles and who have themselves suffered abuse are "permitted" approved threads that carry large purple warnings against abusive behaviour.

See this bothered me because I see just as many men doing the very same thing.
Now come on, you've entered the Man Cave, where there is a sign at the entrance in big purple saying "Enter at Your Peril", but you have come on in anyway and now you've gone and got yourself all bothered. Here's Stayed's advice to you
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you were warned,  NOT INTERESTED IN YOUR COMPLAINTS!!!  If you don't like what they are saying... STAY OFF THEIR F*CKING THREAD! 
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Rookie13 on March 03, 2015, 07:21:02 AM
Lol..nice bait honour!

Hey, what can you say? since the first grade I can remember the ones who stirred up trouble!  ;D Thats the only environment they are comfortable in i guess...right honour?  ;D
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: stayed on March 03, 2015, 07:47:20 AM
Sadly the squeaky wheel get's the grease! 

When my kids were high school, they were debating putting condom machine's in the bathrooms.  This high school had a very high pregnancy rate.  I remember discussing it with all my friends and other parents whose children attended the school.  They had a open session at the school and a vote at the end of the discussion.  I was out of town during this meeting, but I wasn't worried in the least, as all the parents I had spoken to, like me, were in TOTAL FAVOUR of condoms in the school.

When I returned I heard that the condoms in the high school were voted down.  I was furious, I felt I had been lied to.  Sadly, that was not what happened.  It tuned out, that the only people who attended this meeting, were the people that were AGAINST condoms in the high school.  They were a very small group, too, who felt that it was encouraging children to have sex... lalalala.. you all know the song.  Was against their RELIGIOUS beliefs, lalalala...

The point is, if you want something you have to fight for it.  I personally think the thread name MAN CAVE is pretty self explanatory.  If the big bold warning offends you, then write RCR and complain. RCR is probably one of the most reasonable and sensible people you will ever meet.  Her only concern was she didn't want anybody to feel excluded.  She hates censorship.  She's easy to contact. 

Hugs Stayed
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: MeNow on March 03, 2015, 07:50:34 AM
You must be very slippery.
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: in it on March 03, 2015, 08:07:59 AM
Well if there's no crying allowed I'm leaving!!!

( :D :D :D :D :D)
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: honour on March 03, 2015, 08:40:12 AM
Honestly fellas, we are only defined by women if we allow it to be that way.
I'm not allowing it. How 'bout you?
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Braveheart on March 03, 2015, 08:57:39 AM
it was obviously making money
And how do you know this?

You can estimate a sites advertising income by the amount of traffic it gets, the site in question was one of the larger sites related to relationships and they received a huge amount of traffic every month.
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Dji76 on March 03, 2015, 09:36:01 AM
Honour, I'm not allowing it either. If there are things I refrain from posting its not because the women are defining me. I'm newer to lots of this and tryin to soak in as much as possible from you guys (and women) that have more life experience than I do. I do believe some things shouldn't be posted for the world to see but that's more about my own privacy boundaries.
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: elray on March 03, 2015, 10:29:39 AM
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I do believe some things shouldn't be posted for the world to see but that's more about my own privacy boundaries.

Most true degenerates say things like this.   ;)
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Dji76 on March 03, 2015, 10:45:38 AM
Hey!! Haha c'mon elray... I thought u were better than that lol.
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: MyBrainIsBroken on March 03, 2015, 10:50:13 AM
It is the bad asses who are valued. You don't believe me? Look around this forum and it is chocked full of women who are aching to be in a relationship with someone who has lied and cheated on them. Yet, men who have been loyal, loving and strive to live by principles and who have themselves suffered abuse are "permitted" approved threads that carry large purple warnings against abusive behaviour.

How often do we hear the phrase, "there are no good men left." Maybe there are good men left but perhaps they are just not highly valued.
This bothered me too and it bothered me that the two women who took exception to it were told they weren't allowed to complain in the MAN CAVE. Since I was a man last time I looked I guess I'll go ahead and post and maybe somebody can let me know if I should stay out of the MAN CAVE.

What bothers me is the statement about bad asses being valued. The inference that I am seeing here is that the female LBSes are aching to be in a relationship with their "bad ass" husbands who lied and cheated on them. Well, I am aching to be in a relationship with my wife who lied and cheated on me so I guess that makes my wife a bad ass, too. I don't think so. I think my wife is a woman in crisis and I believe the male MLCers are men in crisis and the statement about any MLCer being a bad ass is an insult to both the MLCer and the LBS. My wife was not a "bad ass" before this crisis took her. Some of the male MLCers may have been bad asses but I suspect most weren't. I don't believe most of the LBSes on here of either gender really want a relationship with the current, bad ass, lying and cheating version of their spouses. I suspect most of the LBSes on here do honor loving, caring honorable people, people like the person they were once married to before that person went into a crisis.
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Airmid on March 03, 2015, 10:59:08 AM
MyBrainIsBroken -
I have to agree with you.  My H wasn't a bad ass before he got infected with the MLC virus.  In fact the "virus" has made him almost unrecognizable.

I read this - and resonated with it in the book - "Runaway Husbands". Prior to the BD my H was a model citizen and life partner.

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Hallmarks of Wife Abandonment Syndrome
1 Prior to the separation, the husband had seemed to be an
 attentive, emotionally engaged spouse, looked upon by his wife
 as honest and trustworthy.
2 The husband had never said that he was unhappy or thinking of
 leaving the marriage, and the wife believed herself to be in a
 secure relationship.
3 The husband typically blurts out the news that the marriage
 is over out-of-the-blue in the middle of a mundane domestic
 conversation.
4 Reasons given for his decision are nonsensical, exaggerated, trivial
 or fraudulent.
5 By the time the husband reveals his intentions to his wife, the
 end of the marriage is already a fait accompli, and he often
 moves out quickly.
6 The husband’s behavior changes radically, so much so that it
 seems to his wife that he has become a cruel and vindictive
 stranger.
7 The husband shows no remorse; rather, he blames his wife and
 may describe himself as the victim.
8 In almost all cases, the husband had been having an affair. He
 typically moves in with his girlfriend.
9 The husband makes no attempt to help his wife, either financially
 or emotionally, as if all positive regard for her has been suddenly
 distinguished.
10 Systematically devaluing his wife and the marriage, the husband
 denies what he had previously described as positive aspects of the
 couple’s joint history.
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: elray on March 03, 2015, 11:00:03 AM
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It is the bad asses who are valued.

MBIB,

The quoted portion stands alone without any needed muddling of the issue of including HS members and the impacts of MLC. 

This is settled science as a pretty reliable gender difference, if you care to do a little digging.  The term "Bad Ass" carries a lot of additional baggage and connotations, but the desirability of a man who lives by his own rules, follows his own inner rebel, and brings some swagger and personality is well documented.  The American Cowboy is iconic across the globe for a reason.
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: honour on March 03, 2015, 11:01:43 AM
It is the bad asses who are valued. You don't believe me? Look around this forum and it is chocked full of women who are aching to be in a relationship with someone who has lied and cheated on them. Yet, men who have been loyal, loving and strive to live by principles and who have themselves suffered abuse are "permitted" approved threads that carry large purple warnings against abusive behaviour.

How often do we hear the phrase, "there are no good men left." Maybe there are good men left but perhaps they are just not highly valued.
This bothered me too and it bothered me that the two women who took exception to it were told they weren't allowed to complain in the MAN CAVE.
Bro, bro, bro, you are knew to all this aren't you?  They weren't told they weren't allowed to post or complain, they can complain all they want, we are just making it clear, that here in the Man Cave, we aren't interested in those complaints. Why? Because there is a warning sign on the door.

If you smoke and you get cancer, don't complain that you didn't know, there's warnings on the packet telling you it's dangerous.
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: honour on March 03, 2015, 11:10:29 AM
We determine the outcome of our lives.  If we aren't happy with the direction our lives are going... then change direction... don't shove your thumb in your mouth, sit down and cry.  Get up and look elsewhere!
Too damn right! But what makes you think the men are sitting at home crying. My life is on the up, my business is doing the best it's done since the recession and things are looking even better for 2016. There's money back in my bank, a new car in the garage, the house (yes, MY Man Cave) is freshly decorated and with new home improvements this year; and I've great relationships with my son and daughter and a good group of friends. My work is people centric work, it's happy work, it doesn't work if you are not cheerful. The irony of what I do for a living would kill you if you knew.

And I can do fun things like I'm doing later this week when I pop down to Rome for a short break. Why Rome? Because I can… and I understand you can get some good Italian food down there. :)

So, I'm back up and running.

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You are obviously FISHING in the wrong pool.  If you are not attracting the opposite sex, think about what your BODY LANGUAGE is saying.
I ain't fishin'. The trouble with fishing is you don't know if you've caught a monster until you bring it to the surface. Life is too short to waste time doing all that reeling in.

Now, some homework for the women reading this (and we know you're reading because you just can't stay away), give me a compelling reason why I should risk my new life, my sanity, my home, my independence, my finances and my family on another relationship.
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: bookwrmmom on March 03, 2015, 11:13:25 AM
It also says "everyone is welcome". So perhaps I phrased that the wrong way....I am not really bothered as much as I don't agree with it. I was more referring to the double standard that it seemed OK for the male LBS to pine away (and even admired for being such a great man-as most are here) for the cheating, lying wife. However if the female LBS stands for the H it means we are pining for a badass??? Merely curious about that I suppose.
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Dji76 on March 03, 2015, 11:25:11 AM
Honour, I agree... Why risk Thr new life you have built on a relationship? I would still suggest it's ok to go fishing once in a while. Not all relationships have to intertwine finances etc. Maybe I'm naieve but I believe a healthy sex life can exist outside the confines of a monogamous ltr or marriage.
Bookworm, I agree with you as well. I know a lot of guys here subscribe to certain  beliefs about what women want. While I agree there is some merit to those beliefs, it never once crossed my mind that female lbs are holding out for their "bad ass" mlc husband.
I will say this about standing, it's a great way to get your sh:t together after bd. I also think lots of people chose to stand rather than accept the reality of their situation.
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: honour on March 03, 2015, 11:28:29 AM
I was more referring to the double standard that it seemed OK for the male LBS to pine away (and even admired for being such a great man-as most are here) for the cheating, lying wife. However if the female LBS stands for the H it means we are pining for a badass??? Merely curious about that I suppose.
It's not ok for me. I'm not pining for my xW, I'm not standing and I do NOT want a reconciliation. Why would I want to do that?
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: in it on March 03, 2015, 11:29:03 AM
$h!te honour if I were you I wouldn't bother either!!LOL

 I couldn't agree more it simply takes way too much energy to get involved in another relationship.

I have a job, a nice car, a rental apartment for more income, a business, a great cat. And although I can't jet off  (or drive to Rome)  there's a great pizza place here that delivers.

My wants and needs have become very simple which gives me a lot of happiness. They always were .

  It would be nice to have someone to share those things with..but whatever. I know I'm not looking.
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: stayed on March 03, 2015, 11:44:47 AM
Hell yea man, I wouldn't have bothered either!  And why are you taking this all as though it is directed at you Honour.  You were complaining about the insult of having a WARNING above this thread... I simply said, I agree, it's insulting.  I tried to explain why it's there.  You still want to make an issue about it... fine!

As for dating or not dating.. I don't give a flying f*ck if anybody dates, EVER!  If a man OR woman are interested in dating, then I was suggesting that it might be their own body language that was keeping the opposite sex from approaching them BECAUSE I have met many LBS's and they are VERY ATTRACTIVE people... nice to look at, nice to be around, just all round nice people.  I'm surprised they don't have to beat off suiter's with stick.

Glad to hear you are feeling great, that your business is doing well and that you have a great relationship with your kids, family and friends.  I guess not having anybody to fight with is wearing you down though, or you wouldn't be so combative here in the Man Cave! hehehe.

Hugs Stayed
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Braveheart on March 03, 2015, 12:19:40 PM


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You are obviously FISHING in the wrong pool.  If you are not attracting the opposite sex, think about what your BODY LANGUAGE is saying.
I ain't fishin'. The trouble with fishing is you don't know if you've caught a monster until you bring it to the surface. Life is too short to waste time doing all that reeling in.

Now, some homework for the women reading this (and we know you're reading because you just can't stay away), give me a compelling reason why I should risk my new life, my sanity, my home, my independence, my finances and my family on another relationship.

Too often the automatic assumption from women is if a Single Man ( newly or otherwise) makes any public statements regarding women in a less than flattering light he gets served the "You're just bitter" or you are "Dating the wrong women" cards.

What it boils down to is older guys who already had a long term marriage under their belts, a couple of kids in tow no longer fall for the shaming langauge that was used to manipulate us in the past and resent it when its use is attempted again to keep us on the reservation. Many of us here now realize our true worth and are not willing to put up with the crap we did in the past.
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: bookwrmmom on March 03, 2015, 12:34:50 PM
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Now, some homework for the women reading this (and we know you're reading because you just can't stay away), give me a compelling reason why I should risk my new life, my sanity, my home, my independence, my finances and my family on another relationship.

Honour if that is how you feel then you shouldn't, and that is ok too as long as you are honest. So if you happen to be looking to get laid, you need to make it clear to the woman involved that all she is is a piece of a$$. However that being said everyone knows that sometimes real feelings get involved with sex. Unfortunately there are way too many people (men and women both) who are not honest and don't let the other party know that they are just looking to get laid. That is unacceptable because no one should me made to believe they mean more just for sexual favors. It really is not hard to find willing sexual partners, who do not want a commitment if that is what someone wants.
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: stayed on March 03, 2015, 12:44:54 PM


Too often the automatic assumption from women is if a Single Man ( newly or otherwise) makes any public statements regarding women in a less than flattering light he gets served the "You're just bitter" or you are "Dating the wrong women" cards.

What it boils down to is older guys who already had a long term marriage under their belts, a couple of kids in tow no longer fall for the shaming langauge that was used to manipulate us in the past and resent it when its use is attempted again to keep us on the reservation. Many of us here now realize our true worth and are not willing to put up with the crap we did in the past.

Apparently you are not reading the WOMEN'S threads Braveheart!  I would have sworn my friend Limitless or Bkrmm... etc. had written that.  They have said those exact same statements to me.

I should THINK you would know your TRUE WORTH by now... and definitely accept no crap!  I don't think I have ever seen one single person suggest you should.  Who are you talking to here... we have suffered the exact same COMMENTS/CRITICISMS by friends, acquaintances as well.  Our friends became very uncomfortable around us.  They wanted us to MOVE ON!... SOUNDS like you have had the exact same experience.

Hugs Stayed
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Mad Hatter on March 03, 2015, 01:40:07 PM
Too often the automatic assumption from women is if a Single Man ( newly or otherwise) makes any public statements regarding women in a less than flattering light he gets served the "You're just bitter" or you are "Dating the wrong women" cards.

What it boils down to is older guys who already had a long term marriage under their belts, a couple of kids in tow no longer fall for the shaming langauge that was used to manipulate us in the past and resent it when its use is attempted again to keep us on the reservation. Many of us here now realize our true worth and are not willing to put up with the crap we did in the past.

And this is seen as a problem. Where have all the good men gone? They wised up and have taken themselves off the market! A good man with all those assets and not willing to share; can't have that now can we!

The scenario Rookie 13 shared is all too telling; it was all fun and games until "she started looking past him to his home to see if her kids could fit too!" (paraphrased)
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: in it on March 03, 2015, 01:58:47 PM
I guess it depends on what age group you're in. I have no idea what the median range is on HS.

I read threads of people in their 30's to their 60's.

If you like 'em younger they probably are looking for someone to take care of them and their kids.

Personally? I would really like to feel respected, cared for and about by a man. I don't have to live with him to feel like that. I have young adult children which affords me more freedom.

I think it's age and what relationship you think might cause the least problems and enhance your peace of mind.
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Mad Hatter on March 03, 2015, 02:18:41 PM
I guess it depends on what age group you're in. I have no idea what the median range is on HS.

I read threads of people in their 30's to their 60's.

If you like 'em younger they probably are looking for someone to take care of them and their kids.

You are probably correct for the most part on the age range thing; but is probably more relative to the age of the kids. Younger kids at home, more anxiety and worry to support them over a longer period. I can understand and appreciate this dilemma; the problem is this is very commonly the primary motivator over true feelings and the well-meaning man gets taken advantage of! The attitude and tempo changes almost overnight, and things start to evolve around her kids and his resources start getting sucked up!

Now, I am not being callous and not saying the kids aren't important; they are and should be her priority. Any man who dates or considers relationship with a woman who has kids MUST understand that it is a package deal! But it goes back to what someone was saying earlier; about honest intentions? Just like we should be honest that it's just a "sex thing", honesty should be up front if her priority and motivation is security for her kids!

Same goes for those in their 30's marrying "late" in the game. The desire for kids should be right up front before it gets too serious. No need wasting time if they are not feeling it; this goes both ways. What I can't stand is when a man expresses his desire to not have kids, she says she understands, and then she "accidentally" forgets her pill or the rubber "accidentally" broke or leaked. Now you have a man who has been unwillingly forced into fatherhood and is now legally on the hook for children he didn't want. And yes we know this happens; just go back to the video link I posted in the last man cave thread.



Personally? I would really like to feel respected, cared for and about by a man. I don't have to live with him to feel like that. I have young adult children which affords me more freedom.

I think it's age and what relationship you think might cause the least problems and enhance your peace of mind.

Agree completely on the bold part! Living with or not is a choice, but the respect & care is absolute among other things.


Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: stayed on March 03, 2015, 02:38:16 PM
If you don't want any more children... then get fixed.  Have a vasectomy, then you won't have to worry.  Then you just tell her, can't have kids... I'm neutered!  Tu da!

Hugs Stayed
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Braveheart on March 03, 2015, 03:19:23 PM


Too often the automatic assumption from women is if a Single Man ( newly or otherwise) makes any public statements regarding women in a less than flattering light he gets served the "You're just bitter" or you are "Dating the wrong women" cards.




What it boils down to is older guys who already had a long term marriage under their belts, a couple of kids in tow no longer fall for the shaming langauge that was used to manipulate us in the past and resent it when its use is attempted again to keep us on the reservation. Many of us here now realize our true worth and are not willing to put up with the crap we did in the past.

Apparently you are not reading the WOMEN'S threads Braveheart!  I would have sworn my friend Limitless or Bkrmm... etc. had written that.  They have said those exact same statements to me.

I should THINK you would know your TRUE WORTH by now... and definitely accept no crap!  I don't think I have ever seen one single person suggest you should.  Who are you talking to here... we have suffered the exact same COMMENTS/CRITICISMS by friends, acquaintances as well.  Our friends became very uncomfortable around us.  They wanted us to MOVE ON!... SOUNDS like you have had the exact same experience.

Hugs Stayed

I've been reading all threads here, male/female for over three years now off and on. I'm not aiming at anyone in particular, I'm just bringing up what a man feels from a male perspective in today's world.

We get the shaming language far more than women, men have been depicted in the media for the last 40 years as buffoons, their masculinity being exhibited as some sort of joke. Men are shown as incapable of existence without the the help of a long suffering wife, two kids and a dog....all of them smarter than him.

Many of us who have done everything we were could to aquire the traits we were told we should aspire to are now finding out at 45+ it's all crap. We are told to shut up about it and even our "Male Gaze" might trigger fear in the women folk if we look at them in the wrong way....Yeah some of us are tired of it
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: MIMIx on March 03, 2015, 03:59:56 PM
Braveheart, you can thank your fellow men for the advertising that depicts men as baboons etc...
The industry is dominated by men and they are aiming their marketing directly at women...the primary purchasers. Nothing sells a product better than an ad showing a woman coming to the rescue of a man.  It's not personal...it's all about money.

Nothing about a good man is crap.  Good women look for good men.
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Rookie13 on March 03, 2015, 04:12:37 PM
To me most points are mute,

Feelings trump logic every time...Sure men get trapped...probably 10% of babies come that way...Most people know the little head pretty much thinks for the big one... ;D

Sure at 45ish and being burnt makes us all a little wiser...may or may not make a difference...Way to many people jump right back into the mix...

I can say that after going through all of this...it's much clearer now to see how the world/people really operate.. :)
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: in it on March 03, 2015, 04:15:43 PM
I have an aunt I respect and love very much. She's educated an accountant ,independent ,owns her own firm. I don't have very many family members left.

She accused me of having a "victim" mentality and why couldn't I be I grateful I was alive. That I was in the long list of angry bitter people and how did that feel? Didn't I want peace?

At that point in time the idea of peace was pretty scary. Anger was an emotion I was much more familiar with. I told her without justice- I will have no peace.

I told her yes I was grateful she didn't have a funeral to attend. And I was grateful when I spent two days and nights in my shed. I was grateful I had it.

 I didn't tell her but it would have been really nice if I had a way to contact her since I was homeless.

Her attitude about my situation was devastating.

Women don't necessarily have some warm supportive loving family around them when things like this happens. And I do have a few problems with us being labeled the "weaker" sex.

Ashamed? Yeah..well..she tried. NO ONE makes you feel inferior without your permission.

One @$$hole doesn't constitute all men. I just managed to spend more than half my life with him and that's MY FAULT not anybody elses.

I pretty much have always had a good sense of self worth and value. Just because someone else doesn't see or appreciate it doesn't mean it isn't there.

I find some TV programming ( Family Guy, The Simpson's, and Married with Children) not only debasing to the family unit but to the men in the situation. I'm wondering how many women writers are involved.  ???
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: twiceburnt on March 03, 2015, 11:29:42 PM
Wow, this thread grew quickly.  lol  Since I'm losing my job at the end of the year, my W suggested a few places I should apply to.  She thought I should apply at the hospital for the IT department.  Her OM is the director of IT at the hospital!!  At first I thought she was just being a jerk, but she was sincere?!?!  Yeah, I'd love to work for her OM?! lol  Talk about an insult to injury/slap in the face.  WTF...seriously.  I couldn't believe it.  How nuts is she?!?!  Does she think we're all going to be great friends after this and go to happy hour together when it is all said and done?!? 

On another funny note, the woman who's been flirting with me at the gym nearly face planted on the treadmill when I came in.  She was running at a pretty good pace and turned and gave me a huge wave and nearly bit it.  :)  We laughed about it afterwards, but I'm thinking to myself, I have a wife who despises me for whatever reason, and some random woman nearly injures herself just to wave at me...MLC is so messed up! :)
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: twiceburnt on March 03, 2015, 11:41:07 PM
And another thing, what is about our spouses doing things with OM/OW they claimed to hate doing with us?!?  I like to go fishing.  She hates it.  She says her dad used to make them do that constantly as kids and she grew to despise it. 

Anyhow, her OM is a fly fishing guide, so he obviously is dedicated to it.  She goes to the "fly fishing film festival" with him, "fish fries" (basically big parties where they eat fried fish and drink alchohol), etc.   And she claims she hates tv and movies as well, yet goes to a movie about something she hates?!?!  WTF!!!!  Hypocrite much?!?



Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: serenity on March 03, 2015, 11:48:00 PM
Hi twiceburnt,

I'm just nodding along and agreeing with everything you wrote! Really sucks the stuff they do with these other people and refused to do with us!

X
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: stayed on March 04, 2015, 12:17:30 AM

We get the shaming language far more than women, men have been depicted in the media for the last 40 years as buffoons, their masculinity being exhibited as some sort of joke. Men are shown as incapable of existence without the the help of a long suffering wife, two kids and a dog....all of them smarter than him.

Many of us who have done everything we were could to aquire the traits we were told we should aspire to are now finding out at 45+ it's all crap. We are told to shut up about it and even our "Male Gaze" might trigger fear in the women folk if we look at them in the wrong way....Yeah some of us are tired of it

Fascinating!  The sexes are not as far apart as depicted and believed!  Seems we not only have the same feelings but actually perceive our situations similarly.

Interesting!

Hugs Stayed
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: MIMIx on March 04, 2015, 04:06:01 AM
Twiceburnt, your post was FUNNY!  Nothing surprises me anymore.  I've read so many crazy things now that my own current situation is looking pretty boring.  But,  I'm ready for anything now.
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: stayed on March 04, 2015, 05:13:17 AM
My h and his OW thought of themselves as a couple of "energy bunnies", old teenagers.  They went to a couple of Night Clubs for teens, no less.  The doors don't even open until midnight here.  My h took great pleasure in telling me what an old "fart" I had become... so boring... not willing to step out of my comfort zone.

Well, stupid man called me one day, the day after they were suppose to go to this nightclub.  Always being a glutton for punishment, I asked, so how was the "clubbing" last night... (dripping with sarcasm I must add), he actually told me this.  "Well, we didn't want to be too tired to enjoy ourselves, so we decided to take a nap before we went, AND we never woke up"!   :o :o  I said, "wow, what a couple of "energy bunnies" you two are!", then I laughed and laughed... and hung up. 

Yep, they do lot's of things.  Lot's of things they wouldn't do with us.  Lot's of things that they think show how energetic and alive they are.  Lot's of things that they think are screaming, look at me, look at me... look at how much fun I am having since I left you!! Pfffffffffffft... bull$hit... absolute bull$hit!

Hugs Stayed
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: MeNow on March 04, 2015, 05:22:18 AM
Ok, but isn't it normal when you meet someone to try out things you both like as a way of showing interest in and spending time with one another?
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: stayed on March 04, 2015, 05:34:30 AM
I don't know... you tell us MeNow!  I've always been pretty game to try most anything.

Hugs Stayed
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Thunder on March 04, 2015, 05:54:37 AM
We get the shaming language far more than women, men have been depicted in the media for the last 40 years as buffoons, their masculinity being exhibited as some sort of joke. Men are shown as incapable of existence without the the help of a long suffering wife, two kids and a dog....all of them smarter than him.

Braveheart, you are 100% right!
My X and I are always annoyed over commercials that make the man look stupid or inept.  He can't even fold the towels right, etc.  I see it in commercials and TV shows all the time.  Thank God they have smart women to "teach" them.   ::)

It is disgusting, I'll give you that.
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Rookie13 on March 04, 2015, 06:03:25 AM
Well, it's not in our genes to fold towels... ;D...Don't see many women climbing roofs though???

So they are subliminally changing our 'culture' to do what again??? Get men to have babies?? oh, sorry, I meant fold towels?? lol
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: stayed on March 04, 2015, 06:05:35 AM
The one that KILLS me the most, is the 2 kids, dog and Dad, watching mom put a new roll of toilet paper on the toilet paper holder.  I almost threw a rock through my the TV when I saw that.  Although, I must admit, if my h used the last piece of toilet paper the man would most likely NOT put a new one on the holder.  Not joking about this.  It wasn't that he didn't know how to do it, it was that he couldn't be bothered.

Funny, that is one of the things that I have noticed since we reconciled.  I only replace the empty TP if I use the last of it.  Actually, there are all kinds of things he does now, that HE DID NOT DO before.  Mind you, that probably because I don't run around picking up after him now.  If every pair of trousers he has is on the back of the couch... SO BE IT... they stay there.  If he uses every shirt in the closet and leaves them in a pile on the floor... so be it... he's wearing a dirty shirt to work.  Yep, no piles on the floor or even worse, next to the laundry basket.  He picks up his own mess now.  Heck, he even wipes out the sink in the bathroom after he brushes his teeth. 

Seriously ladies and gentlemen, I let him away with WAY TOO MUCH!  When he returned, OW didn't allow that, I knew it... so the first time he did it when he returned, I just raised my eyebrow and say, did you leave that $hit there when you were at Miss Piggy's house?  Nope, didn't think so!

Doesn't do it here any more, either... hehehehe!  I didn't like any of this, but there have been some changes, I really benefited from...  :-*

Hugs Stayed
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Rookie13 on March 04, 2015, 06:15:49 AM
Well I for one thank god someone is showing/training us men, albeit commercials etc, after we have been ditched by our 'maid'..lol

Maybe, just maybe...some advertising company has 'noticed' the divorce rate and realizes...men need help/training in these area's... :D

Now if only they can train/show the women plumbing who have been ditched by their 'handyman'.... ;D

And BTW..Towels are the easiest ones...You'd think they'd show shirts or something!!  ;D
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: stayed on March 04, 2015, 06:23:19 AM
No problem Rookie, several of the ladies had plumbing problems and thank God for You Tube... :)  FIXED!  For the record, I helped shingle my parents house and garage!

Hugs Stayed
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Dji76 on March 04, 2015, 06:41:39 AM
Agree media portrays men poorly, have been going on for decades. Thing is, I don't know any men that are actually helpless or buffoons like Homer Simpson. So who cares?? Let ignorant people buy into that crap. Yeah I get it... Mass media brainwashing. Raise your kids to know better and be the best man you can be. F--- the images portrayed on TV. Or look at the flip side... Even an idiot like Peter from family guy has a hot wife who holds it down for the family like our wives couldn't do lol.
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Rookie13 on March 04, 2015, 07:01:37 AM
That's funny Dj!  :D

And that is great Stayed on the shingling! The way I fold sheets is to roll it in a ball and stuff it in the closet!  ;D

Not helping the 'cause' here am I.. ??? lol
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Thunder on March 04, 2015, 07:14:29 AM
LOL, Rookie!

At least their in the closet, right?   ;D
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: bookwrmmom on March 04, 2015, 08:42:38 AM
Yes I agree with Stayed, thank God for Youtube! I have replaced the power cord on my electric stove when I moved into an older home and the plug was different. I have thawed frozen pipes (which I never had a problem with before-but this has been an unusual winter) successfully without them bursting. I can also use a drill to hang things myself, and these are just a few things to list. Now with that being said I was used to my MLCer traveling for work, so I HAD to be self sufficient (I was before I met him). A hurricane coming through, no problem Book can handle it. The only thing I need is someone to prime and start the generator for the first time because I could pull that d@mn thing until next week and it will not start. I just do not have the upper body strength for it.

I am one of the wives that did everything for my H, but it was not because he didn't have the intelligence to do it himself. It was more about the way I was raised. I watched my mother and grandmother before me do the things I did. I fixed my man's dinner plate, and took it up when he was done. He only had to do his own laundry if he was gone longer then his supply lasted. Otherwise all the household duties I did. H was always perfectly capable, but worked many more hours then me so I took care of it. Now when or if he comes home, there will be some things he will tend to himself. I now know that I created my own situation of feeling under appreciated. However it was started and continued out of love.
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: MeNow on March 04, 2015, 08:46:23 AM
The one that KILLS me the most, is the 2 kids, dog and Dad, watching mom put a new roll of toilet paper on the toilet paper holder.  I almost threw a rock through my the TV when I saw that.  Although, I must admit, if my h used the last piece of toilet paper the man would most likely NOT put a new one on the holder.  Not joking about this.  It wasn't that he didn't know how to do it, it was that he couldn't be bothered.

That's why I was always a gentleman and left at least one sheet for the next person.
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Rookie13 on March 04, 2015, 09:02:47 AM
Lol MeNow, your not helping the cause either!  :D

I hear you Book! another area I also over compensated on..duties around the house! Ex worked nights so I had LOTS to do concerning the kids/house after coming home from work...I swear I'd go to bed leaving things 'tidy' just to come home from work the next day and see "space I cleared off/put away" had "stuff that didn't belong there" in it's place daily! ( ex seemed to LOVE clutter!  ???)

At least I can find scissors, tape, pens, pencils, important papers and even my own clothes now!  ;D
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: bookwrmmom on March 04, 2015, 09:29:32 AM
Rookie,
Since D18 still lives at home I still have to search for these items at times. H didn't make a huge mess as he was gone so often. However his "hunting room" with all his gear always looked like a bomb drop, and it p!ssed me off when he shaved and those little hairs where not completely cleaned up (he did a hit & miss job).
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Rookie13 on March 04, 2015, 09:46:13 AM
Yea, kids will always be "part of the house hunting" problem'..I'll tell ya though, doing the same routine daily did prompted a few..."what the hell did you do all day' out of me.. ;D ;D ;D

Hey Thunder, How the hell you get those circled corners with 'elastics' on the sheets to 'match up' and folded into some sort of small neat square will always be beyond me!  ;D...They look just fine in a ball in the closet to me... :)
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: bipolared on March 04, 2015, 10:01:42 AM
I tend to wad up the fitted sheets but I am still SO proud of myself for dislodging something accidentally flushed down the toilet and replacing the wax seal beneath.  Still afraid I will set the deck on fire using the grill, though.
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Mad Hatter on March 04, 2015, 10:26:26 AM
Hey Thunder, How the hell you get those circled corners with 'elastics' on the sheets to 'match up' and folded into some sort of small neat square will always be beyond me!  ;D...They look just fine in a ball in the closet to me... :)

Man, I'm glad I'm not the only one on this. WTF?!?! I've probably tested umpteen ways of folding these damn things and it always looks like shyt!

Now I just get them close and stack them in a basket on the shelf. Subterfuge when all else fails!
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Dji76 on March 04, 2015, 10:49:03 AM
That's the secret... Women designed those sheets to keep us confused haha. It's like a never ending sitcom of single men spending all their free time tryin to figure those f'n things out!! Mine go in a bag and put in a chest. Out of sight out of mind.
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Slow Fade on March 04, 2015, 11:00:47 AM
I can't fold those darn sheets either, but I can drive an International Harvester tractor with a  7 foot brush hog on it as well as a blade plow!  I can also throw a mean bale of hay!  Part of my farming background! ;D
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: MeNow on March 04, 2015, 11:03:53 AM
Well, who here can fold those freakin sheets?
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Thunder on March 04, 2015, 11:08:48 AM
Rookie, once they come out of the original packaging there is NO way to ever fold them correctly again.   I kind of wad them up as flat as I can...and in the closet they go.  Same with my tent.  Just l kind of get it small enough to go back in the bag.

LOL, Dj.  You may be right.  It would have to be a woman who designed those sheets, thinking oh how nice the stay on the bed.  Men would have made them easy.   ;)
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: MeNow on March 04, 2015, 11:10:20 AM
I'm thinking the sheets should be painted on the bed.
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Mad Hatter on March 04, 2015, 11:12:20 AM
Rookie, once they come out of the original packaging there is NO way to ever fold them correctly again.   I kind of wad them up as flat as I can...and in the closet they go.  Same with my tent.  Just l kind of get it small enough to go back in the bag.

LOL, Dj.  You may be right.  It would have to be a woman who designed those sheets, thinking oh how nice the stay on the bed.  Men would have made them easy.   ;)

Just use a flat sheet and tuck / fold them into "hospital corners" on all four corners. No elastic needed!
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: OldPilot on March 04, 2015, 11:13:30 AM
Well, who here can fold those freakin sheets?
I went to school to learn how to do that,
they had regulations and rules on how to do it properly.

 ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: terrified_in_TN on March 04, 2015, 11:14:59 AM
Well, who here can fold those freakin sheets?
I went to school to learn how to do that,
they had regulations and rules on how to do it properly.

 ;D  ;D  ;D
Don't suppose that school started with U.S. did it? LOL

-T
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Mad Hatter on March 04, 2015, 11:16:53 AM
Well, who here can fold those freakin sheets?
I went to school to learn how to do that,
they had regulations and rules on how to do it properly.

 ;D  ;D  ;D
Don't suppose that school started with U.S. did it? LOL

-T

I'll bet the bed was made with two flat sheets and no elastic on either one!
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: OldPilot on March 04, 2015, 11:37:11 AM
Well, who here can fold those freakin sheets?
I went to school to learn how to do that,
they had regulations and rules on how to do it properly.

 ;D  ;D  ;D
Don't suppose that school started with U.S. did it? LOL

-T

I'll bet the bed was made with two flat sheets and no elastic on either one!
Yes with hospital corners!
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: terrified_in_TN on March 04, 2015, 11:39:53 AM
Well, who here can fold those freakin sheets?
I went to school to learn how to do that,
they had regulations and rules on how to do it properly.

 ;D  ;D  ;D
Don't suppose that school started with U.S. did it? LOL

-T

I'll bet the bed was made with two flat sheets and no elastic on either one!
Yes with hospital corners!

Okay OP, now curiosity is getting the better part of me...since you are "Old Pilot", you weren't by chance a flyboy in that same "school" were ya?

I did two tours-The first I did avionic repair, the 2nd I taught B.E.E./avionics at that same "school" tee hee.

-T
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: OldPilot on March 04, 2015, 12:09:25 PM
Quote from: terrified_in_TN link=topic=6213.msg403486#msg403486
Okay OP, now curiosity is getting the better part of me...since you are "Old Pilot", you weren't by chance a flyboy in that same "school" were ya?

I did two tours-The first I did avionic repair, the 2nd I taught B.E.E./avionics at that same "school" tee hee.

-T
Yup - I am a falcon fan too!
3000 hours of flying time in a C-141 Starlifter!
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: MyBrainIsBroken on March 04, 2015, 12:23:18 PM
4 years here maintaining ECM systems on BUFFs and Warthogs.
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Dji76 on March 04, 2015, 12:41:14 PM
TT, OP, MBIB... Thank you for your service!!
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: in it on March 04, 2015, 01:08:51 PM
 :) Yes thank you so much!
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: MyBrainIsBroken on March 04, 2015, 02:24:36 PM
Thank you for thanking us.  ;D
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: bookwrmmom on March 04, 2015, 02:26:06 PM
Yes thank you all for your service. On the fiitted sheets....I finally learned how to fold them sometime over the years, and I can drive a tractor too.  :o
However those two traits do not have the men flocking in droves.  ::)
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: honour on March 04, 2015, 04:28:16 PM
I guess not having anybody to fight with is wearing you down though, or you wouldn't be so combative here in the Man Cave! hehehe.
Hugs Stayed
Now you're getting it. ;) This is the Man Cave. We guys come down here to drink beer, tell dirty jokes, watch football, play rough and piss off the women folk. If we are not evoking histrionic reactions such as "I am a woman and I have not desire to DEFINE any bloody man." then we are failing in our duty to educate and inform the weaker sex. ;) You need it for your own good.
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...Don't see many women climbing roofs though???
Rookie, man, you know why you won't see a woman climbing the roof? Because they are too busy climbing the walls if you commit that most heinous of crimes of not changing the toilet roll. LOL!

And guys, please, I don't want to come down here to the Cave and see you chatting with the girls about folding the frikkin sheets and cleaning house for f@ck sake. WTF was going on there!? :)

I'm glad to see the conversation has turned to talking about aircraft. That's much better. Thank you guys. :)
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: honour on March 04, 2015, 04:34:19 PM
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Now, some homework for the women reading this (and we know you're reading because you just can't stay away), give me a compelling reason why I should risk my new life, my sanity, my home, my independence, my finances and my family on another relationship.

Honour if that is how you feel then you shouldn't, and that is ok too as long as you are honest. So if you happen to be looking to get laid, you need to make it clear to the woman involved that all she is is a piece of a$$.

LOL! Your homework was to provide a reason why I should risk another relationship and you are hooking me up with a piece of ass already! You women have one track minds. :)

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make it clear to the woman involved that all she is is a piece of a$$.
I'll be sure to put it in writing. :)
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: bookwrmmom on March 04, 2015, 05:20:21 PM
Yes my friend Honour you are welcome for the a$$ hookup  ;) just make sure she signs that paper to make it all legal and binding (nothing more then a booty call-not an invitation to marriage).
Yes we women think about sex a LOT!
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: OffRoad on March 04, 2015, 05:26:34 PM

Rookie, man, you know why you won't see a woman climbing the roof? Because they are too busy climbing the walls if you commit that most heinous of crimes of not changing the toilet roll. LOL!

BBM: Must laugh! I never climbed the walls over the toilet roll. If anyone kept leaving it empty,I just made sure there was none when they went to take a $#!+. I only had to do it twice.  ;D

And I only climbed the roof to repair the leaks....
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Braveheart on March 04, 2015, 05:27:23 PM
I guess not having anybody to fight with is wearing you down though, or you wouldn't be so combative here in the Man Cave! hehehe.
Hugs Stayed
Now you're getting it. ;) This is the Man Cave. We guys come down here to drink beer, tell dirty jokes, watch football, play rough and piss off the women folk. If we are not evoking histrionic reactions such as "I am a woman and I have not desire to DEFINE any bloody man." then we are failing in our duty to educate and inform the weaker sex. ;) You need it for your own good.
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...Don't see many women climbing roofs though???
Rookie, man, you know why you won't see a woman climbing the roof? Because they are too busy climbing the walls if you commit that most heinous of crimes of not changing the toilet roll. LOL!

And guys, please, I don't want to come down here to the Cave and see you chatting with the girls about folding the frikkin sheets and cleaning house for f@ck sake. WTF was going on there!? :)

I'm glad to see the conversation has turned to talking about aircraft. That's much better. Thank you guys. :)

Women cannot resist invading male spaces and eventually emasculating the place so bad it restricts male conversation...Ladies night is thursdays from 7-10pm, please these hallowed halls or I shall call the Sergeant at Arms to escort you out...
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: elray on March 04, 2015, 06:00:15 PM
I go on a single one day road trip and the man cave is in shambles!  Wtf happened?

Btw it was lovely weather for a polar bear plunge into the ocean with my boys--and yes I just flashed my man card. 
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: MeNow on March 04, 2015, 06:46:05 PM
Large artillery rounds. I'm in.
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Mad Hatter on March 05, 2015, 05:38:49 AM
Women cannot resist invading male spaces and eventually emasculating the place so bad it restricts male conversation...Ladies night is thursdays from 7-10pm, please these hallowed halls or I shall call the Sergeant at Arms to escort you out...


I go back to what RE said in the beginning...

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kikki,

This is the typical double standard that I am speaking of.     Women want men to talk and hash things out and evolve.

Then.   They stick their nose into the garage and want to control the dialog.

It is all about control.


As to why they do it, I have no idea. Only the women can answer that. But this is one of the truest things I have seen; women always inject into the male conversation whenever opportunity arrives. And more often than not, manipulates the conversation around the way they want it or make it about them. Seen this multiple times throughout the years; been on the patio with a few friends tossing down some beer and just BS'ing, when here comes one of the wives / gf's to either, a) push into the conversation, or b) drag her man away from the conversation for whatever reason she wants.

I'm not trying to push the females here away, but I do really want to know why they do this crap. I mean do you really crave the attention of your man so bad you have to involve yourself in everything he does? Are you all that self-centered that everything needs to revolve around you? Or is there some deeper thing that we just don't understand?

I have a good friend who hunts; he loves it and joined a hunting club with a bunch of other male friends. It was his one passion and his hobby / thing to do. Not exactly sure how it all evolved, but she (his wife) now comes with him on hunts more often than not. He thought in the beginning she would get bored with it but instead she thrived on it and now it pisses him off. The hunting club is pretty pissed too, but they keep it to themselves for now. He is going to have a "talk" with her when next season rolls around.
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Braveheart on March 05, 2015, 07:23:53 AM
Simple really...They don't want us comparing notes and want to know what we've figured out :) . In the past women to most men seemed a great mystery and men really had no way of comparing their experiences to any great degree. Interactions with other men tended to be work related, much of their free time already spoken for due to family obligations. About the only time men had any amount of time with other men in modern times was at the hunting camp or fishing and then only with small groups.

Since the internet came about Men have been able to discuss women openly and compare notes with millions of others about the women they had interacted with. Behavoir that before might be considered unique to their own wife/girlfriends has been examined and found to almost follow a general "How To Handle Men" manual. Once you've read their manual there is no real great mystery to them anymore.
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: elray on March 05, 2015, 07:40:06 AM
In every historical culture you can point to, there were places for men to congregate.  From the bath houses of rome, to the barber shop of our parents generation, there were places for men to find those connections and get that emotional, male grounding we all need. 

Obviously, the patriarchal structure had abuses associated with it, and was targeted by feminism for a reason.  But along with it came a relatively new idea that a man's closest and only confidant should be his wife.  I bought into this, and it seriously stunted my development as a man.  I think my wife bought into it too, and worked to maintain boundaries around us, which I willingly accepted. 

The answer is simple -- all men need some Male-Only space.  This man cave thread is a weak virtual representation of that, but for some it may be the closest they get in real life.  If that sounds like you, get out and get to work.  You will love the results you see in yourself.

Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Dji76 on March 05, 2015, 08:59:39 AM
I go on a single one day road trip and the man cave is in shambles!  Wtf happened?

spoken like a true "fixer" Elray!! Haha had to get back at u for the degenerate comment u made to me a while back.
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: elray on March 05, 2015, 10:10:05 AM
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had to get back at u for the degenerate comment u made to me a while back

Was that directed at you, DJ?  I thought that was just an observation on my life experiences.  You know what they say -- the lady doth protest too much.
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Lost on March 06, 2015, 03:46:49 AM
But boys, you ask why we do this? We're only trying to help you of course!
Since you poor men are missing the little quater of the x chromosome and are so inferior to us in communication, we don't want you to end up in a big fight due to all your testosterone, that's all. We CARE for you... ;)

http://purplemotes.net/2014/04/06/men-inferior-communication/

(sorry, I am a scientific and that's why I came up with the x/y chromosome, but when just googling y and communications, this was the funniest article coming up  ;D ;D ;D  site is called purplenotes so guess very feministic)

Ok couldn't shut my mouth to get that joke out, I usually just come here to read and chuckle...
Now guys please don't get 'quater x envious', and please don't complex about it. We girls are still struggling with Freuds supposed Pen!$ envy... Better to joke about it!

For why the lady goes hunting with her man, guess it is because she is in pursuit (infact, she is actually hunting her man  ;D ) and I guess her needs for feeling loved are not met. If her H might propose some other activity with her at some other moment, plus explain her:" Darling I love you but I really would like to get a boys day, actually I need alone time." That is clear and understandable, we women need reasons to understand. Plus please then also only spend the time alone (i.e. no OW...cos from my experience giving my H loads of free time as I need much too, that was why supposedly got OW, certainly it was when!). Her main love langue might be quality time together, in any case good to find out so she won't need to pursue so much.

Tips to read for better understanding: His needs her needs and The passion trap plus all about love languages.
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Thundarr on March 06, 2015, 05:35:20 AM
I just wanted to chime in on the hunting topic.  I grew up in the boonies and every year during deer season several of the adult males would spend a few days at a "deer camp" which was a house or cabin in the woods.  When I was younger I thought of them as hardcore hunters, but when I got older and started to hunt myself I came to realize that many if not most weren't guys I ever heard about killing anything.  When I brought this up to one of the regulars in conversation at a local store he admitted that he never even left the cabin during these camps and that some of the regulars didn't even own a gun, but their W's had no clue and would just think they went another year without a kill.  The true purpose was a get-away for the guys to hang out together, drink and smoke pot where no women were allowed.  Changed my whole perspective on things!
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Braveheart on March 06, 2015, 07:05:00 AM
I just wanted to chime in on the hunting topic.  I grew up in the boonies and every year during deer season several of the adult males would spend a few days at a "deer camp" which was a house or cabin in the woods.  When I was younger I thought of them as hardcore hunters, but when I got older and started to hunt myself I came to realize that many if not most weren't guys I ever heard about killing anything.  When I brought this up to one of the regulars in conversation at a local store he admitted that he never even left the cabin during these camps and that some of the regulars didn't even own a gun, but their W's had no clue and would just think they went another year without a kill.  The true purpose was a get-away for the guys to hang out together, drink and smoke pot where no women were allowed.  Changed my whole perspective on things!

The book "The way of Men" deals with this a lot, men are tribal by nature and work best in a gang/tribe situation where every man in it has your back. It is the natural state of Men. A man's first objective is to provide a safer perimeter around the women and children of the tribe. Men need to bond to do this, but sadly this rarely gets to happen in our modern world outside of the Military, Police and Fire departments.

We had a hunting camp on my Inlaws farm, they owned 2000+ acres of bush. The same crew came up year after year and some of them never shot anything other than the old maple they used for sighting in their rifles. One of the guys, an old Lumber Camp Cook,  came up every year just to get a chance to fire up the wood stove again, drink and cook for the Guys. Fishing amounts to the same thing for a lot of guys, catching the fish is just a bonus.

Just as women need time away from men, men need time away from women. In our modern world this is rarely possible anymore, traditional male only spaces, like Hunt Camps, are very rare and even they are under attack as a form of masculine cruelty toward animals.
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: twiceburnt on March 07, 2015, 01:02:24 AM
Lol, what's that old saying..."Give a man a fish, and he'll eat well for a day.  Teach a man to fish, and he'll sit in a boat and drink beer all day."  :)
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Jackolar12 on March 07, 2015, 12:34:28 PM
And I apologize for my drunken post .

That's just what my experience with men has been. And THAT'S MY FAULT. I sure can pick 'em.  ::)

Actually I was hoping some of the men WOULD VENT. It's perfectly normal to be angry, hurt and however else you feel about this.

And I agree with Stayed if someone doesn't like the thread DON'T f*ckING READ IT!
Well done Ladies music to my ears respect from Jack
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Jackolar12 on March 08, 2015, 05:09:28 PM
Well this is a first for me I have finally made it to the end of the thread without crones. Yippee.
Regards Jack
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Rookie13 on March 09, 2015, 07:59:25 AM
That's a funny line twiceburnt!  ;D

Another line is..'Give a woman a man and he WILL learn to fish!"......lol.. ;D ;D
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: superdog on March 09, 2015, 08:24:05 AM
Ha ha Rookie too funny. :-)
Sd
X
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Mad Hatter on March 09, 2015, 09:34:39 AM
Guys,

I am just absolutely shaking my head at the mentality of this; one of the most f**ked up thing I have heard! Imagine the shock this guy would get!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EN5kYPhhgG8
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Braveheart on March 09, 2015, 10:54:38 AM
Guys,

I am just absolutely shaking my head at the mentality of this; one of the most f**ked up thing I have heard! Imagine the shock this guy would get!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EN5kYPhhgG8

I have read that about 30% of guys who had their doubts and had the kid DNA tested found it was not their's.
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: OldPilot on March 09, 2015, 11:02:37 AM
Guys,

I am just absolutely shaking my head at the mentality of this; one of the most f**ked up thing I have heard! Imagine the shock this guy would get!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EN5kYPhhgG8

I have read that about 30% of guys who had their doubts and had the kid DNA tested found it was not their's.

Thank goodness for 23andme

https://www.23andme.com

$100 DNA testing
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: honour on March 09, 2015, 11:05:39 AM
Since you poor men are missing the little quater of the x chromosome and are so inferior to us in communication,
Oh yeah?

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We girls are still struggling with Freuds supposed Pen!$ envy
Hey fellas, there's this Lost chick wandering around the Cave mumbling something about wanting some Pen!$…what d'ya say we make an exception and make this little honey welcome down here in the Cave? ;) 8)

Of course, I may have completely misunderstood the signals but that would be a chromosome issue and not at all my fault. :)
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Mad Hatter on March 09, 2015, 11:58:56 AM
Since you poor men are missing the little quater of the x chromosome and are so inferior to us in communication,
Oh yeah?

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We girls are still struggling with Freuds supposed Pen!$ envy
Hey fellas, there's this Lost chick wandering around the Cave mumbling something about wanting some Pen!$…what d'ya say we make an exception and make this little honey welcome down here in the Cave? ;) 8)

Of course, I may have completely misunderstood the signals but that would be a chromosome issue and not at all my fault. :)


Well, going on your original theory that you interpreted the signals correct, it would never work. Too many Pen!$es in all directions would cause perceived validation and hamster overload, potentially propelling her to a self-assumed pedestal. This in turn would most likely cause some contention with some of the obvious attention wh*res!

Mass chaos would ensue; the man cave in shambles!

Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Dji76 on March 09, 2015, 12:01:30 PM
Re the woman caller... Its funny that she is rolling the dice and not telling her bf unless the baby is noticeably black! And even funnier that she doesn't want the radio host to "break up the family" by trying to locate her bf and warn him!! I guess there are worse ways to experience a bomb drop that what I got lol. Not that any of it is actually funny...
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Mad Hatter on March 09, 2015, 12:21:43 PM
Re the woman caller... Its funny that she is rolling the dice and not telling her bf unless the baby is noticeably black! And even funnier that she doesn't want the radio host to "break up the family" by trying to locate her bf and warn him!! I guess there are worse ways to experience a bomb drop that what I got lol. Not that any of it is actually funny...

What is sad is situations like this and the one I posted earlier where the chick tried to trap the guy are all too common and happen a lot. The messed up part is her inability to be accountable for her own actions and the hamstered up justification for doing what she doing that she knows damn well is wrong.

And then, when he doesn't agree with her, and recommends they call the boyfriend, the hamster spins again and it's the talk show hosts fault for trying to break up and ruin the family! She cheated; she lied; she is being deceptive; but he is wrong for wanting to bust her out!

AWALT - zero accountability for their own actions and will shift blame to someone else! Just like a damn child; why you have to treat them that way when they act out & shyt test!
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: elray on March 09, 2015, 12:28:00 PM
Here's another one...
https://archive.today/CIP3r

Man marries wife.  Plans a family.  Has vasectomy reversed.  No pregnancy.  Seeks IVF.  They visit together, and he makes a donation.  Wife then secretly visits clinic again with her lover and he makes a donation.  Wife returns a 3rd time for insemination.  Couple separates within first year of babies birth.  Man pays child support for ten years before having a paternity test confirm lover as the father.  Wife claims clinic made a mistake.
 :o :o :o




Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Mad Hatter on March 09, 2015, 02:27:46 PM
Here's another one...
https://archive.today/CIP3r

Man marries wife.  Plans a family.  Has vasectomy reversed.  No pregnancy.  Seeks IVF.  They visit together, and he makes a donation.  Wife then secretly visits clinic again with her lover and he makes a donation.  Wife returns a 3rd time for insemination.  Couple separates within first year of babies birth.  Man pays child support for ten years before having a paternity test confirm lover as the father.  Wife claims clinic made a mistake.
 :o :o :o


At first I was like, WTF, why didn't he just make a proper "donation" since she was obviously screwing him! Then I got it; pretty slick of her to create the back story and a way to shift blame should he ever find out. I couldn't open the link so couldn't read, but obviously things came out!

AWALT - Devious and self-serving to the core! Always an agenda!


EDIT: Shows how shytty that clinic was two; enabling her to do that!
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Braveheart on March 09, 2015, 03:57:46 PM
Here's another one...
https://archive.today/CIP3r

Man marries wife.  Plans a family.  Has vasectomy reversed.  No pregnancy.  Seeks IVF.  They visit together, and he makes a donation.  Wife then secretly visits clinic again with her lover and he makes a donation.  Wife returns a 3rd time for insemination.  Couple separates within first year of babies birth.  Man pays child support for ten years before having a paternity test confirm lover as the father.  Wife claims clinic made a mistake.
 :o :o :o


At first I was like, WTF, why didn't he just make a proper "donation" since she was obviously screwing him! Then I got it; pretty slick of her to create the back story and a way to shift blame should he ever find out. I couldn't open the link so couldn't read, but obviously things came out!

AWALT - Devious and self-serving to the core! Always an agenda!


EDIT: Shows how shytty that clinic was two; enabling her to do that!

That's the thing, a woman is always 100% sure it's her's when it's born...though I'm sure that old excuse " they must have switched our baby by mistake at the hospital" routine was used in the past when blood types didn't line up.....
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Mad Hatter on March 10, 2015, 08:33:39 AM
Here is a couple more gems that hit on topics we have talked about here:

No One Wants 50 Year Old Women:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDzyAZrkSqg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDzyAZrkSqg)

Single Mom:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE1BXLcEnCE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE1BXLcEnCE)
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Mad Hatter on March 12, 2015, 01:40:37 PM
This is absolutely awesome! Seen it before but thought I would share; talk about getting caught with your pants down!

http://informoverload.com/man-records-confrontation-with-cheating-wife/ (http://informoverload.com/man-records-confrontation-with-cheating-wife/)
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Braveheart on March 21, 2015, 11:55:27 AM
Just bumping, all the men gone fishing?
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Dji76 on March 21, 2015, 02:17:50 PM
Been busy learning/applying RP stuff... Lovin life now.
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Split open and melt on March 21, 2015, 07:37:45 PM
RP stuff?
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Braveheart on March 21, 2015, 08:29:17 PM
RP stuff?

"RP" ="Red Pill"
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Split open and melt on March 22, 2015, 10:16:59 AM
Oh ya, gotcha
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: OffRoad on March 23, 2015, 11:44:44 AM
I know I'm not a man, but does anyone here work on classic cars? I miss talking about cars....
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Mac49 on March 23, 2015, 01:40:52 PM
What was more pathetic in the 80's - Cars or Music?

Mac
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: elray on March 23, 2015, 02:13:41 PM
Bro, don't mess with the hair bands.   Still like to rock my mullet.
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Slow Fade on March 23, 2015, 02:15:23 PM
Cars. Give me the 60's muscle cars every day! Had a 78 Rally Sport Camaro, a 67 Camaro Coupe and a 67 Camaro Z28. The 67's out-shined the 78 in every way!
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Mac49 on March 23, 2015, 02:41:57 PM
Elray:

Somehow I can't picture you in leggings

Mac
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: MyBrainIsBroken on March 23, 2015, 03:00:21 PM
What was more pathetic in the 80's - Cars or Music?
I'm going to be thinking about this all night. That is a tough choice.
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: OffRoad on March 23, 2015, 03:05:44 PM
The Lamborghini Countach and the Vector W8 were doable for 80's vehicles (OK, the W8 was '89, but still). But the Hyundai Pony? C'mon. And what they did to the Camaro is sacrilege.

While I love my 60's and 70's 'vettes, and a nice '74 Trans Am brings back the memories, I'm still partial to a '39 Chrysler with suicide doors. It's so Bonnie and Clyde.
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: MyBrainIsBroken on March 23, 2015, 03:31:24 PM
Sorry if this offends anyone but how about a nice 1985 Mustang?  :P :P :P

I miss my late 60s Dodge big blocks like the 67 Coronet RT with 426 wedge and a six pack carb setup or the 69 Charger with 440 and 2x4.
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: JM on March 23, 2015, 04:50:16 PM
I do like a 440!  My very first car was a super-cool '64 Plymouth Barracuda with the big fishbowl back window.  Only a 273, but awesome at the drive-in.  Sorry, though, but the only true Mustangs came from the 60's...

I don't know how common this is, or if it's a guy thing or a 'My life is falling apart' thing, but while W was having her fun women started coming out of the woodwork showing interest in me.  I was in no way ready to take any of that on (heck, W & I are still kinda trying to work things out), but it was quite flattering.  I wonder if it was me engaging in GAL, them sensing my sadness and vulnerability like predators, or what.  Any ideas?
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: OffRoad on March 23, 2015, 04:52:22 PM
Since I'm not really supposed to be here, I can't be offended by the '85 mustang...but I still am.

I miss my '75 dodge one ton Powerwagon with the 360 engine and tool bed.  :( That thing would go anywhere and pull anything. And I could crawl in the engine compartment with the engine to fix it. Anyone remember when you could see the ground when looking into an engine compartment?

Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: terrified_in_TN on March 23, 2015, 05:13:18 PM
My dream car:  1969 Pontiac Trans Am Convertible.  Nuff said.    ;D

Or maybe an 80s era Reliant K...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuSkXtLu30s

-T
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Dji76 on March 26, 2015, 01:03:03 PM
Anyone else notice how many of the articles written about women in mlc are generally described as introspective and reevaluating their lives? Their affairs are written off as acceptable as a great romance they "deserve" because the husband is no longer attentive enough. Smh... It disgusts me. Sorry for the short rant.
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: elray on March 26, 2015, 01:19:53 PM
Anything in particular ?  The media is full of those with the mindset of disposable marriages. 

I've always felt that cuts against all who value marriage, rather than along gender lines.  I've never felt the outrage you referenced. 

Many movies romantacize a mid life affair.  I recently watched Salmon Fishing in Yemen -- great movie -- definitely a male MLC story, told from the man's perspective, very sympathetically.  Been a while since I watched it, but American Beauty is more of a warning of the dangers of MLC. 

I guess Eat Pray Love would be what you're talking about -- never saw it, but she basically ditches her husband because he decides to quit his job and go back to school -- and her journey is definitely romanticized from that point on, but I don't see a lot of things of that genre.

Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Dji76 on March 26, 2015, 01:56:07 PM
El I was referring more to general articles I found online when my whole mess started. I really don't watch movies or much tv.
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: in it on March 26, 2015, 08:17:02 PM
Personally?

I thought Eat Pray Love..sucked.

And I'm not sure of the year but I like a red GTO (maybe '67) white covertible with a white interior something that turns me on pretty good.
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Rookie13 on March 26, 2015, 08:30:38 PM
Agree, Eat Pray Love..sucked

My MLC car is any 70's version of the Sting Ray...been pricing them!  ;D a few accessory's I will need is cool sunglasses, cool leather coat, a tattoo or two, a couple of wife beater's shirts and maybe a chain for my wallet...oh and of course a 'passenger'!  :D
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Braveheart on March 26, 2015, 08:41:47 PM
Was never a big fan of Muscle cars, I had an MGB...the girls loved it..thinking of getting another one after I finish working on my bike.
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: in it on March 26, 2015, 08:51:54 PM
I drove a convertible Fiat Spider for one summer..had a couple of Beemers and Cadillacs..LOVED a retired unmarked Crown Vic I had..talk about fly!

Tattoos huh Rookie? Didn't think you were the type?? :o ;D ;D ;D The rest of it ...OK well enjoy yourself..
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: Rookie13 on March 26, 2015, 09:03:52 PM
Nah, just kidd'n about the tat's Init...also SUV type myself... ;)
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: MyBrainIsBroken on March 26, 2015, 10:38:28 PM
Hey, T, I think I can hook you up with that Reliant K.  :D

I had a 79 Datsun 280ZX that was a lot of fun for a late 70s car.
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: MeNow on March 26, 2015, 11:23:32 PM
I like the new Camaro, Challenger and I'm waiting for the Mach 1 to make a comeback.
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: stayed on March 27, 2015, 02:50:09 AM
I'm with Rookie, only, make it a 1950's
(http://www.motorera.com/corvette/1950/1959/corvette-59a1.jpg) or a Triumph Spitfire and old Ford Trucks... love them
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: in it on March 27, 2015, 04:58:11 AM
Nice Stayed !!!

I remember when they first came out I wanted a Viper in the worst way...
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: superdog on March 27, 2015, 05:23:36 AM
How terribly british of me but really the bentley continental GT is the winner hands down.

Sd
X
Title: Re: MAN CAVE 5
Post by: OldPilot on March 27, 2015, 05:26:09 AM
New thread

http://mlcforum.theherosspouse.com/index.php?topic=6328.0