You guys sure do talk!Thank you for getting the conversation started.
Maybe if our husbands could open up like all of you,we might get somewhere.
Question to all that might reply.What's the question?
X has be gone 5 years, divorced 4 yet consistently I will still get mail, at my home, addressed to her including Saturday when Cosmo showed up.
Cosmo never appeared in the mailbox while we were together.
Curious
Mac
Question to all that might reply.
X has be gone 5 years, divorced 4 yet consistently I will still get mail, at my home, addressed to her including Saturday when Cosmo showed up.
Cosmo never appeared in the mailbox while we were together.
Curious
Mac
Keeping a foot in the door? Making sure we don't forget they exist? Random coincidence? Time will tell.My son-in-law has been dead for 7 years, last week I received a copy of ESPN in his name. Keeping a foot in the door? :o :o :o
Keeping a foot in the door? Making sure we don't forget they exist? Random coincidence? Time will tell.My son-in-law has been dead for 7 years, last week I received a copy of ESPN in his name. Keeping a foot in the door? :o :o :o
retaliate -- subscribe her to GQ.
But we are ok here, Braveheart, because we have the purple seal of approval.Maybe if our husbands could open up like all of you,we might get somewhere.
No, at home we'd all be sleeping on the couch if we did ;). If a man brought up most of what we've mentioned here in public or at work he probably loose his job or at the very least be hauled up to HR for a reaming...
OK I've been out... I'm drunk...
Most of you think you are in love with you wives (or ex wives)
Controlling isn't caring...just sayin'
And MONEY and sex isn't what it's all about..Have you figured that out yet?
Knock yourselves out. ..vent all you want...In It has weighed in.
But we are ok here, Braveheart, because we have the purple seal of approval.Maybe if our husbands could open up like all of you,we might get somewhere.
No, at home we'd all be sleeping on the couch if we did ;). If a man brought up most of what we've mentioned here in public or at work he probably loose his job or at the very least be hauled up to HR for a reaming...
Look around this forum and you see both men and women mutually supportive of each other in the plight of the LBS, yet it is deemed necessary to have this thread come with a patronising, if not sexist, purple warning. Seriously? What is the thought process going on here? "uh oh, it's a thread for men by men, I better just tell them that I, a female, approve it, but before even a word is written I will just warn them against bad and abusive behaviour because you know what men are like…"
"Decent" men are just not very highly valued, they are seen by many as schmucks, gullible, easily manipulated meal tickets or a means of advancement. The opening post in the Man Cave 5 is an unconscious suggestion that the men here lack masculinity.
It is the bad asses who are valued. You don't believe me? Look around this forum and it is chocked full of women who are aching to be in a relationship with someone who has lied and cheated on them. Yet, men who have been loyal, loving and strive to live by principles and who have themselves suffered abuse are "permitted" approved threads that carry large purple warnings against abusive behaviour.
How often do we hear the phrase, "there are no good men left." Maybe there are good men left but perhaps they are just not highly valued.
Ironically, the first person to roll into the Man Cave drunk and "weighing in" was a female.QuoteOK I've been out... I'm drunk...
Most of you think you are in love with you wives (or ex wives)
Controlling isn't caring...just sayin'
And MONEY and sex isn't what it's all about..Have you figured that out yet?
Knock yourselves out. ..vent all you want...In It has weighed in.
Honestly fellas, we are only defined by women if we allow it to be that way.
Wait a second! I don't see how we are being BLAMED for how you men are being defined. If your old Two Life Thread was so great... where is it now? Why isn't it still in existence? If it doesn't exist any longer, then form another one.Stayed, you know I have enormous respect for you and all that you do here, working tirelessly and voluntarily to help the LBS of both genders get back on their feet, you are truly a hero of the Hero Spouse but you must be able to see the irony of you, a woman, coming into the Man Cave, reading a man's vent, not liking what you have read and then complaining about it knowing full well that you were warned
Who is saying there are no DECENT men out there? Who is saying there are no DECENT women out there? That is bull$hit, we all know that's not true. You are obviously FISHING in the wrong pool. If you are not attracting the opposite sex, think about what your BODY LANGUAGE is saying. 99% of the time, it is saying... NOT INTERESTED! LEAVE ME ALONE!
We determine the outcome of our lives. If we aren't happy with the direction our lives are going... then change direction... don't shove your thumb in your mouth, sit down and cry. Get up and look elsewhere!
The reason the notice was put up on top was because we had a few... (REPEAT... A FEW) people(ok women) that were upset about the way SOME men word things... so they were given their own THREAD... where they could say whatever they wanted. If anybody complained, we were able to point at the NOTICE and say... you were warned, NOT INTERESTED IN YOUR COMPLAINTS!!! If you don't like what they are saying... STAY OFF THEIR F*CKING THREAD!
More proof, " no good deed ..... GOES UNPUNISHED!" Damn, sometimes you just can't win for losing! I am a woman and I have not desire to DEFINE any bloody man. Having a hard enough time defining myself.
Hugs Stayed
you were warned, NOT INTERESTED IN YOUR COMPLAINTS!!! If you don't like what they are saying... STAY OFF THEIR F*CKING THREAD!
Look around this forum and it is chocked full of women who are aching to be in a relationship with someone who has lied and cheated on them. Yet, men who have been loyal, loving and strive to live by principles and who have themselves suffered abuse are "permitted" approved threads that carry large purple warnings against abusive behaviour.
As far as the warning goes....I take it for what it is. There are those whose sensibilities are easier to offend, and it was a warning to THEM. I think most of us know there are some really great men here, and honestly most of us ladies can hold our own in the "raunchiness" category. We can give back as good as we get.
Thundaar, I'm STILL trying to figure out where your post is coming from.
it was obviously making moneyAnd how do you know this?
QuoteThundaar, I'm STILL trying to figure out where your post is coming from.
Don't worry Rookie -- nobody knows where Thundarr is coming from. But whatever place he writes from, it does generally make for good reading.
Regarding the discussion of being defined by others -- that is a male battle cry, if ever I heard it. Pretty much Mel Gibson in a kilt, blue face paint, and a battle axe screaming "FREEDOM".
Now come on, you've entered the Man Cave, where there is a sign at the entrance in big purple saying "Enter at Your Peril", but you have come on in anyway and now you've gone and got yourself all bothered. Here's Stayed's advice to youQuoteLook around this forum and it is chocked full of women who are aching to be in a relationship with someone who has lied and cheated on them. Yet, men who have been loyal, loving and strive to live by principles and who have themselves suffered abuse are "permitted" approved threads that carry large purple warnings against abusive behaviour.
See this bothered me because I see just as many men doing the very same thing.
you were warned, NOT INTERESTED IN YOUR COMPLAINTS!!! If you don't like what they are saying... STAY OFF THEIR F*CKING THREAD!
Honestly fellas, we are only defined by women if we allow it to be that way.I'm not allowing it. How 'bout you?
it was obviously making moneyAnd how do you know this?
I do believe some things shouldn't be posted for the world to see but that's more about my own privacy boundaries.
It is the bad asses who are valued. You don't believe me? Look around this forum and it is chocked full of women who are aching to be in a relationship with someone who has lied and cheated on them. Yet, men who have been loyal, loving and strive to live by principles and who have themselves suffered abuse are "permitted" approved threads that carry large purple warnings against abusive behaviour.This bothered me too and it bothered me that the two women who took exception to it were told they weren't allowed to complain in the MAN CAVE. Since I was a man last time I looked I guess I'll go ahead and post and maybe somebody can let me know if I should stay out of the MAN CAVE.
How often do we hear the phrase, "there are no good men left." Maybe there are good men left but perhaps they are just not highly valued.
Hallmarks of Wife Abandonment Syndrome
1 Prior to the separation, the husband had seemed to be an
attentive, emotionally engaged spouse, looked upon by his wife
as honest and trustworthy.
2 The husband had never said that he was unhappy or thinking of
leaving the marriage, and the wife believed herself to be in a
secure relationship.
3 The husband typically blurts out the news that the marriage
is over out-of-the-blue in the middle of a mundane domestic
conversation.
4 Reasons given for his decision are nonsensical, exaggerated, trivial
or fraudulent.
5 By the time the husband reveals his intentions to his wife, the
end of the marriage is already a fait accompli, and he often
moves out quickly.
6 The husband’s behavior changes radically, so much so that it
seems to his wife that he has become a cruel and vindictive
stranger.
7 The husband shows no remorse; rather, he blames his wife and
may describe himself as the victim.
8 In almost all cases, the husband had been having an affair. He
typically moves in with his girlfriend.
9 The husband makes no attempt to help his wife, either financially
or emotionally, as if all positive regard for her has been suddenly
distinguished.
10 Systematically devaluing his wife and the marriage, the husband
denies what he had previously described as positive aspects of the
couple’s joint history.
It is the bad asses who are valued.
Bro, bro, bro, you are knew to all this aren't you? They weren't told they weren't allowed to post or complain, they can complain all they want, we are just making it clear, that here in the Man Cave, we aren't interested in those complaints. Why? Because there is a warning sign on the door.It is the bad asses who are valued. You don't believe me? Look around this forum and it is chocked full of women who are aching to be in a relationship with someone who has lied and cheated on them. Yet, men who have been loyal, loving and strive to live by principles and who have themselves suffered abuse are "permitted" approved threads that carry large purple warnings against abusive behaviour.This bothered me too and it bothered me that the two women who took exception to it were told they weren't allowed to complain in the MAN CAVE.
How often do we hear the phrase, "there are no good men left." Maybe there are good men left but perhaps they are just not highly valued.
We determine the outcome of our lives. If we aren't happy with the direction our lives are going... then change direction... don't shove your thumb in your mouth, sit down and cry. Get up and look elsewhere!Too damn right! But what makes you think the men are sitting at home crying. My life is on the up, my business is doing the best it's done since the recession and things are looking even better for 2016. There's money back in my bank, a new car in the garage, the house (yes, MY Man Cave) is freshly decorated and with new home improvements this year; and I've great relationships with my son and daughter and a good group of friends. My work is people centric work, it's happy work, it doesn't work if you are not cheerful. The irony of what I do for a living would kill you if you knew.
You are obviously FISHING in the wrong pool. If you are not attracting the opposite sex, think about what your BODY LANGUAGE is saying.I ain't fishin'. The trouble with fishing is you don't know if you've caught a monster until you bring it to the surface. Life is too short to waste time doing all that reeling in.
I was more referring to the double standard that it seemed OK for the male LBS to pine away (and even admired for being such a great man-as most are here) for the cheating, lying wife. However if the female LBS stands for the H it means we are pining for a badass??? Merely curious about that I suppose.It's not ok for me. I'm not pining for my xW, I'm not standing and I do NOT want a reconciliation. Why would I want to do that?
QuoteYou are obviously FISHING in the wrong pool. If you are not attracting the opposite sex, think about what your BODY LANGUAGE is saying.I ain't fishin'. The trouble with fishing is you don't know if you've caught a monster until you bring it to the surface. Life is too short to waste time doing all that reeling in.
Now, some homework for the women reading this (and we know you're reading because you just can't stay away), give me a compelling reason why I should risk my new life, my sanity, my home, my independence, my finances and my family on another relationship.
Now, some homework for the women reading this (and we know you're reading because you just can't stay away), give me a compelling reason why I should risk my new life, my sanity, my home, my independence, my finances and my family on another relationship.
Too often the automatic assumption from women is if a Single Man ( newly or otherwise) makes any public statements regarding women in a less than flattering light he gets served the "You're just bitter" or you are "Dating the wrong women" cards.
What it boils down to is older guys who already had a long term marriage under their belts, a couple of kids in tow no longer fall for the shaming langauge that was used to manipulate us in the past and resent it when its use is attempted again to keep us on the reservation. Many of us here now realize our true worth and are not willing to put up with the crap we did in the past.
Too often the automatic assumption from women is if a Single Man ( newly or otherwise) makes any public statements regarding women in a less than flattering light he gets served the "You're just bitter" or you are "Dating the wrong women" cards.
What it boils down to is older guys who already had a long term marriage under their belts, a couple of kids in tow no longer fall for the shaming langauge that was used to manipulate us in the past and resent it when its use is attempted again to keep us on the reservation. Many of us here now realize our true worth and are not willing to put up with the crap we did in the past.
I guess it depends on what age group you're in. I have no idea what the median range is on HS.
I read threads of people in their 30's to their 60's.
If you like 'em younger they probably are looking for someone to take care of them and their kids.
Personally? I would really like to feel respected, cared for and about by a man. I don't have to live with him to feel like that. I have young adult children which affords me more freedom.
I think it's age and what relationship you think might cause the least problems and enhance your peace of mind.
Too often the automatic assumption from women is if a Single Man ( newly or otherwise) makes any public statements regarding women in a less than flattering light he gets served the "You're just bitter" or you are "Dating the wrong women" cards.
What it boils down to is older guys who already had a long term marriage under their belts, a couple of kids in tow no longer fall for the shaming langauge that was used to manipulate us in the past and resent it when its use is attempted again to keep us on the reservation. Many of us here now realize our true worth and are not willing to put up with the crap we did in the past.
Apparently you are not reading the WOMEN'S threads Braveheart! I would have sworn my friend Limitless or Bkrmm... etc. had written that. They have said those exact same statements to me.
I should THINK you would know your TRUE WORTH by now... and definitely accept no crap! I don't think I have ever seen one single person suggest you should. Who are you talking to here... we have suffered the exact same COMMENTS/CRITICISMS by friends, acquaintances as well. Our friends became very uncomfortable around us. They wanted us to MOVE ON!... SOUNDS like you have had the exact same experience.
Hugs Stayed
We get the shaming language far more than women, men have been depicted in the media for the last 40 years as buffoons, their masculinity being exhibited as some sort of joke. Men are shown as incapable of existence without the the help of a long suffering wife, two kids and a dog....all of them smarter than him.
Many of us who have done everything we were could to aquire the traits we were told we should aspire to are now finding out at 45+ it's all crap. We are told to shut up about it and even our "Male Gaze" might trigger fear in the women folk if we look at them in the wrong way....Yeah some of us are tired of it
The one that KILLS me the most, is the 2 kids, dog and Dad, watching mom put a new roll of toilet paper on the toilet paper holder. I almost threw a rock through my the TV when I saw that. Although, I must admit, if my h used the last piece of toilet paper the man would most likely NOT put a new one on the holder. Not joking about this. It wasn't that he didn't know how to do it, it was that he couldn't be bothered.
Hey Thunder, How the hell you get those circled corners with 'elastics' on the sheets to 'match up' and folded into some sort of small neat square will always be beyond me! ;D...They look just fine in a ball in the closet to me... :)
Rookie, once they come out of the original packaging there is NO way to ever fold them correctly again. I kind of wad them up as flat as I can...and in the closet they go. Same with my tent. Just l kind of get it small enough to go back in the bag.
LOL, Dj. You may be right. It would have to be a woman who designed those sheets, thinking oh how nice the stay on the bed. Men would have made them easy. ;)
Well, who here can fold those freakin sheets?I went to school to learn how to do that,
Don't suppose that school started with U.S. did it? LOLWell, who here can fold those freakin sheets?I went to school to learn how to do that,
they had regulations and rules on how to do it properly.
;D ;D ;D
Don't suppose that school started with U.S. did it? LOLWell, who here can fold those freakin sheets?I went to school to learn how to do that,
they had regulations and rules on how to do it properly.
;D ;D ;D
-T
Yes with hospital corners!Don't suppose that school started with U.S. did it? LOLWell, who here can fold those freakin sheets?I went to school to learn how to do that,
they had regulations and rules on how to do it properly.
;D ;D ;D
-T
I'll bet the bed was made with two flat sheets and no elastic on either one!
Yes with hospital corners!Don't suppose that school started with U.S. did it? LOLWell, who here can fold those freakin sheets?I went to school to learn how to do that,
they had regulations and rules on how to do it properly.
;D ;D ;D
-T
I'll bet the bed was made with two flat sheets and no elastic on either one!
Okay OP, now curiosity is getting the better part of me...since you are "Old Pilot", you weren't by chance a flyboy in that same "school" were ya?Yup - I am a falcon fan too!
I did two tours-The first I did avionic repair, the 2nd I taught B.E.E./avionics at that same "school" tee hee.
-T
I guess not having anybody to fight with is wearing you down though, or you wouldn't be so combative here in the Man Cave! hehehe.Now you're getting it. ;) This is the Man Cave. We guys come down here to drink beer, tell dirty jokes, watch football, play rough and piss off the women folk. If we are not evoking histrionic reactions such as "I am a woman and I have not desire to DEFINE any bloody man." then we are failing in our duty to educate and inform the weaker sex. ;) You need it for your own good.
Hugs Stayed
Rookie, man, you know why you won't see a woman climbing the roof? Because they are too busy climbing the walls if you commit that most heinous of crimes of not changing the toilet roll. LOL!
...Don't see many women climbing roofs though???
QuoteNow, some homework for the women reading this (and we know you're reading because you just can't stay away), give me a compelling reason why I should risk my new life, my sanity, my home, my independence, my finances and my family on another relationship.
Honour if that is how you feel then you shouldn't, and that is ok too as long as you are honest. So if you happen to be looking to get laid, you need to make it clear to the woman involved that all she is is a piece of a$$.
make it clear to the woman involved that all she is is a piece of a$$.I'll be sure to put it in writing. :)
BBM: Must laugh! I never climbed the walls over the toilet roll. If anyone kept leaving it empty,I just made sure there was none when they went to take a $#!+. I only had to do it twice. ;D
Rookie, man, you know why you won't see a woman climbing the roof? Because they are too busy climbing the walls if you commit that most heinous of crimes of not changing the toilet roll. LOL!
I guess not having anybody to fight with is wearing you down though, or you wouldn't be so combative here in the Man Cave! hehehe.Now you're getting it. ;) This is the Man Cave. We guys come down here to drink beer, tell dirty jokes, watch football, play rough and piss off the women folk. If we are not evoking histrionic reactions such as "I am a woman and I have not desire to DEFINE any bloody man." then we are failing in our duty to educate and inform the weaker sex. ;) You need it for your own good.
Hugs StayedQuoteRookie, man, you know why you won't see a woman climbing the roof? Because they are too busy climbing the walls if you commit that most heinous of crimes of not changing the toilet roll. LOL!
...Don't see many women climbing roofs though???
And guys, please, I don't want to come down here to the Cave and see you chatting with the girls about folding the frikkin sheets and cleaning house for f@ck sake. WTF was going on there!? :)
I'm glad to see the conversation has turned to talking about aircraft. That's much better. Thank you guys. :)
Women cannot resist invading male spaces and eventually emasculating the place so bad it restricts male conversation...Ladies night is thursdays from 7-10pm, please these hallowed halls or I shall call the Sergeant at Arms to escort you out...
kikki,
This is the typical double standard that I am speaking of. Women want men to talk and hash things out and evolve.
Then. They stick their nose into the garage and want to control the dialog.
It is all about control.
I go on a single one day road trip and the man cave is in shambles! Wtf happened?
had to get back at u for the degenerate comment u made to me a while back
I just wanted to chime in on the hunting topic. I grew up in the boonies and every year during deer season several of the adult males would spend a few days at a "deer camp" which was a house or cabin in the woods. When I was younger I thought of them as hardcore hunters, but when I got older and started to hunt myself I came to realize that many if not most weren't guys I ever heard about killing anything. When I brought this up to one of the regulars in conversation at a local store he admitted that he never even left the cabin during these camps and that some of the regulars didn't even own a gun, but their W's had no clue and would just think they went another year without a kill. The true purpose was a get-away for the guys to hang out together, drink and smoke pot where no women were allowed. Changed my whole perspective on things!
And I apologize for my drunken post .Well done Ladies music to my ears respect from Jack
That's just what my experience with men has been. And THAT'S MY FAULT. I sure can pick 'em. ::)
Actually I was hoping some of the men WOULD VENT. It's perfectly normal to be angry, hurt and however else you feel about this.
And I agree with Stayed if someone doesn't like the thread DON'T f*ckING READ IT!
Guys,
I am just absolutely shaking my head at the mentality of this; one of the most f**ked up thing I have heard! Imagine the shock this guy would get!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EN5kYPhhgG8
Guys,
I am just absolutely shaking my head at the mentality of this; one of the most f**ked up thing I have heard! Imagine the shock this guy would get!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EN5kYPhhgG8
I have read that about 30% of guys who had their doubts and had the kid DNA tested found it was not their's.
Since you poor men are missing the little quater of the x chromosome and are so inferior to us in communication,Oh yeah?
We girls are still struggling with Freuds supposed Pen!$ envyHey fellas, there's this Lost chick wandering around the Cave mumbling something about wanting some Pen!$…what d'ya say we make an exception and make this little honey welcome down here in the Cave? ;) 8)
Since you poor men are missing the little quater of the x chromosome and are so inferior to us in communication,Oh yeah?QuoteWe girls are still struggling with Freuds supposed Pen!$ envyHey fellas, there's this Lost chick wandering around the Cave mumbling something about wanting some Pen!$…what d'ya say we make an exception and make this little honey welcome down here in the Cave? ;) 8)
Of course, I may have completely misunderstood the signals but that would be a chromosome issue and not at all my fault. :)
Re the woman caller... Its funny that she is rolling the dice and not telling her bf unless the baby is noticeably black! And even funnier that she doesn't want the radio host to "break up the family" by trying to locate her bf and warn him!! I guess there are worse ways to experience a bomb drop that what I got lol. Not that any of it is actually funny...
Here's another one...
https://archive.today/CIP3r
Man marries wife. Plans a family. Has vasectomy reversed. No pregnancy. Seeks IVF. They visit together, and he makes a donation. Wife then secretly visits clinic again with her lover and he makes a donation. Wife returns a 3rd time for insemination. Couple separates within first year of babies birth. Man pays child support for ten years before having a paternity test confirm lover as the father. Wife claims clinic made a mistake.
:o :o :o
Here's another one...
https://archive.today/CIP3r
Man marries wife. Plans a family. Has vasectomy reversed. No pregnancy. Seeks IVF. They visit together, and he makes a donation. Wife then secretly visits clinic again with her lover and he makes a donation. Wife returns a 3rd time for insemination. Couple separates within first year of babies birth. Man pays child support for ten years before having a paternity test confirm lover as the father. Wife claims clinic made a mistake.
:o :o :o
At first I was like, WTF, why didn't he just make a proper "donation" since she was obviously screwing him! Then I got it; pretty slick of her to create the back story and a way to shift blame should he ever find out. I couldn't open the link so couldn't read, but obviously things came out!
AWALT - Devious and self-serving to the core! Always an agenda!
EDIT: Shows how shytty that clinic was two; enabling her to do that!
RP stuff?
What was more pathetic in the 80's - Cars or Music?I'm going to be thinking about this all night. That is a tough choice.