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Our Community / Old Timers thread 6
« Latest by HeartTattoo on February 19, 2025, 07:25:28 PM »
It looks like my last thread is locked & archived. It's all old-timer stuff anyway, so I'll just drop in here for my annual review.

Son#1 was talking to me the other day about “feeling some kind of way” about some things in his life, including that Son #2 is soon to move 1000 miles away. Yeah, I’m feeling “some kind of way” too.

I see once again that it happens every year: thoughts of H increase & are more nostalgic & I’m more sad about the whole damn thing than usual heading into December & as Christmas preparations begin. The phrase “You should be here” keeps popping into my thoughts as Son#1 helps me with the tree & we gather as a family. “You should be here” when the boys are tinkering with their cars or needing support, or having complicated memories of the man I & they trusted with our whole being & who betrayed us all with his shattered integrity, his lies, & his emotional emptiness. “You should be here” but you are utterly unable to “be here”. I’m pretty sure you can’t even “be” in your own life. That sort of true “being” is shut up tight in some deeply hidden compartment. Looking at that is not something someone like you can do.

So it’s Christmas with memories of our last one together, then BD January, & our wedding anniversary in February. But by then the constant memories are losing strength & I’m back to the reality of grief that never ends, but does fade with the detachment I’ve developed from the only man I have ever loved, from the love I never doubted until the moment of BD, & from the future I expected to share with him. Spring is almost around the corner & I’ll plant seeds & grow flowers & walk my dog & love my people & know that they love me back. The ones who are able anyway.
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Our Community / Re: •• Calming the crazy, life after divorce
« Latest by STP on February 19, 2025, 06:57:58 PM »
Journalling

I know just two days since my last post but I have the time, want to try and post more and have things in my head.

DC messaged me several times today to question if she was being rude by asking to bring two former work friends to my St. Patricks Day party next month. I explained its fine, as my friends often ask to bring other friends. Her speech to text was full of typos which amused her a bunch. It's just unusual to hear from her more often after so long of not.

Tonight I went to return the 'often used dish' to TPB at her townhome. She has since signed up for my hike on 3/2 with her bestie JKR. I had no idea what to expect... whether it was gonna be a quick hand off of the plate or what it was, a tour of her home, and sit down chat on her couch for an hour. We went through her rock collection in the kitchen too. Her place is very comfy and it was a good visit. I was uneasy on my time as I had other evening plans (anticipating the quick hand off) which didn't happen.

Last year, through drunk texting, I had admitted to wanting to kiss her 4 months prior when I took our photo, but she has straight out texted that I'm in a relationship and she wouldn't go there, despite affirming there's attraction. Of course I've never tried to act on such. JKR has confirmed that too that TPBs no relationship wrecker. When it came time to leave tonight we hugged and after 10 seconds I started to release but she held on. That happened a few more times and it was like a min long hug from her. When I pulled away I had the feeling it could go either way but I did nothing but leave with some dinner she shared me to take.. Tests like this happen and I kept it real.

KA in our texting today indicated that I used to not take so many selfies with friends and dared me to go back to that. Party group pics are fine but stop the selfies with friends (women) pics for the next party. I said I'll do that.
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Our Community / Whiplash from clinging boomerang
« Latest by UrsaMajor on February 19, 2025, 07:00:01 AM »
Ah... Living with teenagers......

You can't live with 'em and you can't hang 'em by their toes from the ceiling fan either....

I have 2 at the moment when they come to me for their "dad weekends."
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Our Community / It’s been 2 months
« Latest by LC on February 18, 2025, 09:17:02 PM »

My experience with Crisis at 28

So, on January 27, 1998, I gave birth to our third child, a beautiful baby girl. She is our D26.  Her’s was a home birth, which went beautifully. We had an amazing midwife. D26 smiled almost as soon as she was born.  Postpartum recovery was fine, physically.  I breastfeed her, same as the others.  I was ok until about  2 weeks postpartum, I started feeling overwhelmed
with the responsibility of caring for a newborn, in addition to a 2 and a 4 year old. 
H was cranky, not exactly sure why. I just chalked it up to us not having relations since the baby was born.  My father, called a few times to yell at me about my not going back for my Masters degree in art and or teaching.  I had paid for half of school myself and took out loans for the rest, to get my bachelors degree in art.  I didn’t exactly have the money to go back to school and I didn’t want to get further in debt.
H became more grumpy and demanding.  At 6 weeks, the midwife came over for a well mom/baby check.  I just broke down and let everything out and told her how depressed I was and everything that had been going on.   D26 was happy and in good health, I was physically fine, just depressed and stressed.
She told me to start taking St. John’s Wort for the depression and she called another lady in our Mom group to come out to help me for a couple weeks.  I was able to get back on my feet and develop a routine. Meanwhile, I had gone from depressed to having periods of time where I just felt flat. I didn’t like that feeling. Up till then, I had been having feelings of an existential nature.  What am I here for exactly?  What have I done of lasting value?  I knew I wouldn’t always be here. Someday, I will die like everyone else who has gone before me. I felt like no matter what I did, no one was happy.  I remember when I was in school, I felt pressured to perform academically. I was in honors classes. I felt pressured to attend the same university my father had attended, to follow in the his footsteps and get my degree.  When I got my degree, there was no “Congratulations”, from my parents. It was, “Hey, when are you going back for your Masters degree?”  I explained that I wanted to work freelance for awhile and stay home with D32, who was 2 months old at the time.  I felt pressured to keep up with H’s expectations that seemed to increase exponentially after D26 was born. 
The thing is that any one of these things alone; a degree, marriage, babies are all wonderful things. I was happy to have them all!  What started to tick me off was no matter what I did, no one was happy with me.  I started to think maybe it was easier to please God, than people. 😐 At this point, I was at my lowest point. H wondered why I just didn’t snap out of it. I told him I wasn’t like this because I wanted to be.  I called the midwife and told her I felt like nothing.  She came over and we talked.  She told me that God was there for me and wanted me to lay down my burden and to turn to him for help. She prayed with me and went home.  For the next two weeks I prayed daily for him to reveal things I needed to ask Him to forgive me for. In short, I came to the conclusion that I was prideful, insulting, insensitive, and glossed over my own faults in order to feel like I was better than I was.  There is a Reddit group titled, “AITA”.  In short, the conclusion someone beginning to come out of crisis needs to come to is, I am the @$$hole.  So, about 4 months later, on April 24, 1998, I received the Lord into my heart and I have been walking with Him ever since.
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Our Community / It’s been 2 months
« Latest by Happylight on February 18, 2025, 10:15:33 AM »
I am so impressed by your grit, determination, and inventiveness with everything.  I can sympathize with your natural inclination to be kind and understanding.  I just wanted to let you know that you sound like an amazing mother, and that you are absolutely doing an amazing job with everything under the circumstances.  I am curious about your own experience with crisis.  You said you weren't unfaithful, but what did your crisis involve?
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Our Community / My story
« Latest by Pivoine on February 18, 2025, 05:20:16 AM »
Thank you for your responses and support. I feel like I’m living a waking nightmare. This is not a divorce request he’s initiating, but rather gathering information about how a separation and the sale of the house would proceed. He wants to buy the house. I do not agree. He wants to live there alone, but he is not alone. After a month, I still haven’t received anything—not the house valuation nor the explanatory letter from his lawyer. I went to see my banker and a lawyer. It all feels so surreal. I don’t know what more I can do to work on myself. I see my friends a little, who are also his friends, but he rarely sees them and only for a coffee, not for an evening together.

I know I need to stop doing things for him, but my kindness takes over. I’m working on my childhood wounds, meditating, and seeing a therapist... yet I’m still in so much pain. He keeps pulling me along with him because he doesn’t know how to cut ties with me. He still pays half the house loan, pays the property tax, and his belongings are still here. I believe it’s not my responsibility to pack his things. He hasn’t taken anything in nearly seven months, and he still has some administrative paperwork addressed to our home.

It’s utter confusion. I’m trying to stay strong... but sometimes I break down. This situation is torture.

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Our Community / My story
« Latest by MadLuv on February 17, 2025, 09:06:17 PM »
I’m so sorry for your pain. This is a horrible situation, but what does help is to not try and decipher what or why he is doing something or she is doing something and what that may mean for you and your relationship. What you do know is that he is not home. He is choosing this. He isn’t being manipulated by her without wanting to be. We want others to back our feelings, because we want hope and we want to continue to love them. What we really need to do is pour all that time and energy into us.

Let go and let him live what ever mistakes he wants, because he has to live his choices to determine where he wants to be. We dont het to decide where he should be. What really started to help me was to only focus on what he was choosing. It wasn’t me or our life or our family. To this day I find it unbelievable who he did choose. That he doesn’t see his kids. At all!! It gets worse. The more we hang on. So, let him be. Stop trying to figure out where he is. He doesn’t even know where he is mentally.

 Anything you can do to see his actions. His choices and accept them where they are the better. It’s all so hard. Getting a little angry at the injustice of it all and focusing on what they are doing to hurt you and your kids really does help to start shifting your mindset away from them and to start empowering you.
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Our Community / Re: •• Calming the crazy, life after divorce
« Latest by STP on February 17, 2025, 09:24:38 AM »
Journalling

KA and I ended up not going to Winterfest as we both were sick at different times. We did have a fun date night out at the casino seeing a local band we like. I hosted a hike for 21 singles of which most are good friends, followed by lunch. KA had her first time sleeping over at my house on a weekday. I quietly got up and went to work and she was out of my house a couple hours later. I did have a thought if she sat at my secondary computer and went rummaging through folders she could find pics she wouldn’t like… but I feel assured she didn’t do that. We all have skeletons in closets that don’t need to be unearthed.

KA had her D12 for the Super Bowl so buddy JS and I hung out with some other longer known friends at an event. Valentines Day marked my 7th anniversary since my first date with KA and I took her out for a nice dinner and photo of us with her roses. We had talked about dancing and live music after, but both were so full, we stayed in and watched a romantic movie. Oddly DC messaged me “Happy Valentines Day.” Perhaps acknowledging my anniversary to KA?

This past weekend was my Chocolate themed party. KA again was unable to make it due to having D12 several weekends in a row because her XH is out-of-town for work. DC backed out citing her bf had planned something special for them. I never really expected her anyway. She said she’d bring some women friends to the next one. The event was good with 30 some friends attending and I was quite full from eating. I tend to end parties with a final photo in the kitchen with those who still remain at 11:45pm. There were two dating couples, buddy JS, myself and tan blonde TBP. Well the next day after photos were posted KA messaged me very upset, deeming it looked like I was coupled up with TPB because I was standing behind her (really in the spot between two guys). I assured her I wasn’t, and she counted the photos of us taken where we both appeared in the same pic. All but one were group photos. There is some truth that I do like her and we have a lot in common. I am also in the process of filming footage to make a music video from my parties-for the theme song, I recorded in 2016. Much of the footage was TBP (& others dancing) which KA pointed out and she asked if I could possibly take less pics with TBP. Yes I can. Her bestie JKR, is like my new MM. Both women are around me a lot coming to everything I host.

TBP messaged me on Sunday asking about a large plate of hers, she uses often that got left behind, and I said this WED I could drop it off, as I’m heading that way to see KA to pick up some food. I know about where she lives but it will be the first time at her house. Although I don’t like keeping things from KA, revealing that I’m stopping over at a persons house she doesn’t trust, would not go over well. Don't beat me up about this-there's nothing going on.

This upcoming weekend is my annual guys board game weekend with a brother, my best friend, S23 and S25.. It will be very fun.

KAs D12 asked for more mommy time (less of me around) on their weekends, so beginning in March I may not be seeing KA on some Fridays.
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Our Community / Whiplash from clinging boomerang
« Latest by Happylight on February 17, 2025, 09:14:03 AM »
The one thing I have learned is it is rarely as bad as we make it in our heads.

I suspect lunch will be ok.

You guys were right.  Lunch was fine.  I feel a little stiff with him because I really don't have any idea where he is mentally or emotionally right now.

Observations from the cheap seats....
 He continues to stay at the house about six nights a week. He goes to work and comes back home-nothing in between.  On weekends he doesn't go anywhere.  He continues to to be sober.  He plays video games, and stays up late most nights.  He seems withdrawn in terms of affection and his libido seems to have dropped off a cliff, but he is not cold or angry.  He is usually calm and sometimes seems far off, but will help with things that I ask for help with, and doesn't reject hugs or pats of affection. 

He continues to take a back seat with parenting although he connects with our youngest more frequently.  He seems to be giving our oldest two a lot more grace during discussions than he used to.  He will say things like they will get it figured out, or they may mess up, but we will just have to support them (which has usually been my stance), while he has usually been a lot more harsh.  I find that very interesting from a psychological perspective.  I was a kid who pretty much did "the right things." Was a pretty good student, was driven, participated in extra curriculars, stayed out of trouble, had a job, went to college, etc.  I had a few stumbles along the way of course, but he struggled a lot more on his teenage pathway and choices.  Our kids got his ADHD, and have struggled a lot more along the path of entering adulthood (we have a 21 year old and a current high school senior).  I wonder if he was judging them as himself, and now he is trying to give himself more grace and room to make mistakes (which I guess I have done for him).  He has also mentioned ways that he broke their trust in the past--like not showing up to performances or games (which was something that I had always emphasized as being important). 

He seems to be more focused on work and spending more hours working.  He is not a federal employee, but his work has been requiring more time spent in the office and not working remotely.  They have been pushing this for several months now, but for a while, he still would work part of his day remotely and then go into the office for a minimal amount of time.  During heavy replay, I was worried his job would be impacted because of his attitude and amount of time spent with other activities. 

He does not seem to be associated with the motorcycle club any longer.  He hasn't spoken of it in months, his motorcycle has mostly been in the garage for the last several months.  This is also interesting because he had actually been voted President of his chapter last year, and he previously had activities multiple times a week. 

As for me, I finished my 3rd big crocheted blanket for the year.  I also did a few scarves since picking this up a year ago.  I have struggled with some injuries due to working out --rotator cuff tear and tendinopathy in my hip and glute.   This has resulted in regaining about half the weight I had lost--which has been frustrating.  I had hoped cutting out alcohol would benefit me with weight loss, but it has not.  I continue to walk regularly (91 miles in January and 40 so far in February), stretch regularly, do bodyweight exercises and do rehab exercises for shoulder.  I have also continued to learn to play piano for the last two years.  I have used an app and a keyboard to learn, and am now moving on to pre-advanced.  Progress is a lot slower than it used to be, but I do enjoy it, and it is something I have wanted to learn most of my adult life.  I seem to be more focused and on track at work, but also at balance with work.  Previously I may have spent too many hours trying to do everything at work.  I am getting back to reading a bit.  For a while I was doing really well with cooking, but now I am struggling a bit to feel inspired to cook again.  I think some of that is just because I am still carrying a lot of the day to day tasks for the whole family as well as working, trying not to strangle my teenage and pre-teen daughters,  and trying to keep my own mental health together.   I really struggle with allowing myself to have "lazy time," and I find that it is worse when he is at the house all the time. 

I write some of these things in case others are seeing the same things, but also for me to go back and see where we were. 

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Our Community / Remarried and working on us
« Latest by Happylight on February 17, 2025, 08:19:58 AM »
Thank you so much for providing the insight and we really appreciate your H sharing as well. 
You stated that realizing the mess he made was gradual.  I would be interested in hearing more about the inner thoughts on the processing through.  How did realizing the mess he made look on the outside.  Did he start moving back toward you before he even finished processing all of that or was moving back toward you still partly in the fog at first, or did he start moving back toward you when he was fully snapped out of it? 

Also, where in the timeline did the AA come in?  Was that on his own? 

Again, thank you so much for sharing.

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