[KayDee]

I said you must, as a man, be capable of being really nasty if the situation happened to warrant it.

Situations warranting such an approach could, in my view, include dealing with things like an intruder in your house, someone harrassing your wife or children ...... in other words a genuine threat. Also cold callers trying to scam you, calling again when they've been asked not to ..... no point in being polite with them.

Ah, well, I would call that protective action. I am capable of that too - And I am.... a woman....

[KayDee]

Although, for me, nasty is still nasty. And I hope I am never that, even through protection of self or others.

Agree also with what Marvyn wrote, there are many ways to be and to thrive in the world..

[The Navigator]

It looks like I opened Pandora's Box with my earlier utterance.

Whilst none of you have succeeded in persuading me that I am mistaken, and probably won't, I shall say no more about the matter.

[Happylight]

Thank you for sharing your thoughts and reflections--has to be a bit different when you made it through--like watching a train wreck. 

[The Navigator]

Greetings to you all.

Very busy raising three chidren and working full time so don't get to post here much.

Wishing all of you, veterans, newbies and anyone in between much strength.

[FaithWalker]

Hey Nav
I haven't been around much either.  I was shocked to see I hadn't really posted much since January.

Enjoy the raising of the kiddos, it goes so quickly!

[The Navigator]

Back here to look through some old threads. First post was in 2013.

Still married, still raising our 3 children with W. We have been together (barring the separation in 2008) for over 26 years.

My Dad passed away at the end of July aged 76 and I found myself gravitating back to this thread which I started in 2017. In retrospect this incident I wrote about was the beginning of an enstrangement from him until the end of his life. I ultimately found it necessary to stop initiating all contact with him and came to accept that he either had NPD or very pronounced narcissistic traits. Looking at it through that lens helped to explain a great many things and helped me reached a place of forgiveness, peace and radical acceptance.

So many friends of mine are now in the throes of divorce and nasty separations. I have helped where I can.

Best wishes to all on this forum, old and new.

[Music45]

Thinking of you. From what you've posted, I'm not sure commiserations are appropriate but I wish you well at a time that is clearly thought provoking and emotionally charged to say the least.