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Mirror-Work Interacting with DH's FOO
OP: December 01, 2012, 05:17:53 PM
The holidays will soon be here, and that means a trip back home to visit our families. Both sides are aware of what's going on. My family has been very supportive of US. I have received a lot of encouragement to keep trying, work on myself, try to see things from DH's point of view, not let this consume me, and be sure I have done everything possible to get through this. I've been called out when I've said or done things they see as unfair to him and praised when I've done things that are for myself. His family, on the other hand, has been all about him. We have been together 25 years (including dating and marriage).  I have never been accepted as a "real" member of the family, particularly since I couldn't produce the prize pig, er, biological child to provide the proper link.

Besides our marriage counselor and me, the only people DH talks to about this are my MIL and BIL.  BIL is very anti-family anyway. Until the MLC, the only contact he'd even had with DH was the occasional brief phone call about once a year. He moved far away from the family because he couldn't stand to be around them or in the area. He never comes home during the holidays, so I shouldn't have to worry about him. The place I need to place my emphasis is how to handle myself around my MIL since I know I can't control her behavior.

She has pretty much set herself up as the saboteur of our marriage. She listens to her son whine and cry about how hard things are. Instead of telling him he needs to look at the whole picture, what his role is in this process, and why he feels the way he does, she just keeps encouraging divorce. She doesn't understand why he didn't leave me years ago since he is so unhappy.  Every time I see her number come up on caller ID, I wince because I know I'm going to get mowed down again.  Luckily at this point we are down to once a week or less.

She actually told him she thought I might kill him and then myself because I am so depressed. He told her he didn't think that was true. When he told me she'd said that, I was deeply hurt as I've never had those kind of thoughts. I have thought of killing myself, but I have never thought of killing him, either as part of my own suicide or independently. My pdoc, counselor, and our marriage counselor all told DH that was a ridiculous statement, that I was not capable of such an act and had never said or done anything to point toward that.  Plus in the vast majority of murder suicide cases, it's the MAN who does it. If a woman does it, it's almost always herself and her kids. BIL got in on the act and said he agreed with MIL.

I asked DH to go back to them and stand up for me. He did it but then complained I had "emasculated" him. He uses this term a lot. I truly don't understand why. I think he must have some very strange ideas about what it means to be a man.  I asked him why standing up for me was emasculating because it seemed to me that defending your wife's reputation would be just the opposite. He said, "It's because I had to go back to them and tell them they were wrong because they had different feelings from you." That made no sense to me, but at that point, I decided no sense was going to come out of the conversation. And even after MIL had the expert opinions, she said they didn't matter; she was still going to be worried. DH did not see this as a problem, stating, "She's my mom. Of course she's going to worry about me."

But again, I can't control what she says to him or what she thinks of me. What I need to do is figure out how I get through this holiday with his side of the family knowing his mother thinks I could take him out at any moment and has never even once tried to look at how all this might be playing out from my side. (Ironically my father has tried very hard not to defend DH but to at least try to look at it from his POV and give me ideas about what midlife is like for men and why he might be doing some of the things he's done.)  Do I go there for holiday dinner? Do I avoid his family? If I go, what do I keep in my mind to help me stay sane and behave civilly?  I have to be able to control myself. Sarcasm is one of my great defense mechanisms, so I have to be able to turn that off or things will get nasty quickly.

I'm truly torn about what to do. If I don't go, I avoid subjecting myself to all that stress, but I feel as if MIL wins because she gets her precious baby boy all to herself, in person, to continue working on him. I know she blames me for the fact we don't live near her, and since her other son doesn't really give a rat's behind about family other than putting on a bit of a show when he absolutely has to, she doesn't have kids nearby. If I do go, then I subject myself to a great deal of stress, but I also stand my ground. Whether she likes it or not, I am her DIL. G-d willing, I will still be there for her son long after she is gone. I have been there for him all this time. I haven't been perfect, but I have done the best I can. My worth as a person or a family member should not be dependent on whether I can produce an heir. This isn't Victorian England, and she could have been a grandmother if her son weren't so against adoption.

So what do you think? How do I do this, and how do I keep the focus on me instead of DH and MIL? This is a classic example of my need to work on detachment!
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Re: Interacting with DH's FOO
#1: December 01, 2012, 06:04:36 PM
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She has pretty much set herself up as the saboteur of our marriage. She listens to her son whine and cry about how hard things are. Instead of telling him he needs to look at the whole picture, what his role is in this process, and why he feels the way he does, she just keeps encouraging divorce. She doesn't understand why he didn't leave me years ago since he is so unhappy.  Every time I see her number come up on caller ID, I wince because I know I'm going to get mowed down again.  Luckily at this point we are down to once a week or less.

My MIL does this too. I tried for 14 years to be the best DIL I could be. My BIL's soon to be ex-wife wasn't even able to be in the same room with MIL so she was a no show at most family functions and MIL blames her totally for the breakdown in their marriage; even though my BIL has been arrested 3 times for DV. Go figure, it was all the wife's fault. I'm sure she is coddling my H and telling him how bad he has it and how much happier he will be without me. I'm sure she loves having him and his brother all to herself again. I have a feeling that she will now start working on her grandson's marriage destruction too. She is a woman hater. I, for one, do not plan on being in their presence for a long time to come, even if H and I reconcile. She is too toxic.....
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Re: Interacting with DH's FOO
#2: December 01, 2012, 06:15:55 PM
You could go to MIL´s house for the holiday and bring a few side dishes making sure NOT to eat any of them before the in-laws and h try them first. If MIL is so flippin´paranoid, you can subtly yank her chain by having a private joke of being the best and most gracious DIL knowing that crazy MIL might be thinking you´ve spike the side dishes. Make sure they are h´s favorite dishes. In your shoes, I´d have to pretend that I was in a sit-com in order to sit calm at the table. MIL´s comments were so hurtful that I´d be obsessing over them while at her table. At this point in the journey, do whatever is going to lead to the no regrets after the holiday.
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Re: Interacting with DH's FOO
#3: December 01, 2012, 06:24:39 PM
Why go there at all? If you don't have kids, then what is the obligation? Your husband left you... you don't owe HIM or his family anything on the surface... if you're uncomfortable with it.. you could always DO YOURSELF A FAVOR and suddenly "fall ill" and stay home and do what makes YOU feel good.
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Re: Interacting with DH's FOO
#4: December 01, 2012, 07:30:27 PM
He hasn't left me, at least not physically.  We are still living together and going to marriage counseling together. This will be a road trip home to visit family and friends, so I won't be anywhere to cook, unfortunately. Visiting his family has always been a sore spot since we moved away. Because they almost always have managed to treat me NOT like family and also manage to get in at least one racist, sexist, or anti-Semitic comment, I had started going only sometimes and having DH just spend time with them alone on occasion. I'm starting to wonder if that has been the best tactic. I thought I was doing him a favor with my absence because then he could just be with his family without having to worry about the tension of when they would say or do something offensive. But in hindsight, perhaps my absence has been an impetus for MIL to bash me further.

I really don't care what she thinks of me, but I do care what DH thinks of me, which I guess is where detachment should come in. Since I'm not giving up on my marriage, and neither is he at this point, however, I find myself feeling as if I have something to prove.  I'm just confused. Being home alone tonight with a pile of work has not helped matters either. DH will be home any minute, and he's already cranky because he's not feeling well. I think it's best if I tuck this topic away until tomorrow. I hope by then I can think about it a bit more clearly and I'll see if others have dealt with crappy MILs (or found a good way to choose not to) effectively in some great way I can use.
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Re: Interacting with DH's FOO
#5: December 01, 2012, 08:15:12 PM
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He did it but then complained I had "emasculated" him. He uses this term a lot.

SCRIPT!  I got this one too.  MIL and FIL were more than happy to jump on the bandwagon (also, because we have no kids).  Wayne Dyer had a great quote about being "free of the good opinion of others".  It truly doesn't matter what they think of you, girl.  You already know who they are - his crisis will not change their personalities, unfortunately.  You have nothing to prove to them, but the journey for you may be learning that, and finding validation in your OWN opinion of yourself.  MIL was sanctimonious at BD when "Prodigal Son came home" (her words).  Eight months later, she missed me so much that she insisted on seeing me for Mother's Day (and she came to me).  If there's a way to busy yourself somewhere else while you guys work through this for the holiday, I would do it.  Maybe next year things will be different.
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Re: Interacting with DH's FOO
#6: December 02, 2012, 04:01:10 AM
I would send my apologies but send a huge bouquet of flowers (or nice Poinsetta) and a thoughtful little card saying that I would miss everyone but that I hope they have a truly wonderful time.

I would wish my husband a lovely time and crack on with plans for my time whilst he was away. If DH asks why I wasn't going I would explain that it didn't feel the right time for me to be around his Mum and that I wished him a great time. This isn't about badmouthing his Mum or being rude it as about being gracious and putting yourself at the top of the priority list which means shying away from  spending time with people who bring you down.

As far as her winning - there are no winners in MLC - she is old and isn't going to be a round forever. You have to live with the consequences of your actions and if you think it'll be fraught then avoid it. You know that MLC takes ages and ages and you're in a long race. Treat her with love, calmness and grace and you will be a 'winner' in that you can't feel shame if you haven't done anything wrong!

I am 3 years post BD and my exH's FOO are people that I actively choose to not be around - they are desperate for me to be in their lives (like before) but they are broken and dysfunctional and I can choose who I spend time with. I invite them along on my children's birthday's etc but they aren't my friends. They are my exH's family who treated me very badly at a time when they claimed to love me. I don't wish them any ill but it doesn't mean I need to be spending any time with them.

((hugs)) as nothing is easy or straightforward when you are navigating a MLC in a loved one.
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Re: Interacting with DH's FOO
#7: December 02, 2012, 05:20:28 AM
I am with MF on this one, do what you feel comfortable doing for yourself.

My inlaws did the same thing, said I would always be their daughter on law, what rubbish, came disn heAvily on me when they believed every single lie my h told them. So now I don't even wAnt to know about them, speak to them or see them and I am ok with that. They disappointed me because they can see their son is not right and have nor helped him but just enabled him and they are the ones who probably made him have crisis because of issues in his childhood.

Yesterday fil called here but got wrong number, I didnt even recognise his voice. He started to talk and said ' how are you' I just said ' great thanks' I said bye and put down the phone. Hypocrites both of them.
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