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#30: January 02, 2019, 07:18:21 PM
I have to write while this is still fresh. Back in April I asked my H to read Michelle Wiener-davis’ book ‘The Divorce Remedy’. He took the book, and nothing more was said about it until September when we had an argument about his return to seeing OW, which resulted in what I like to refer to as ‘the gin sling’! He told me that night he wanted a divorce, and I asked him to read ‘The Divorce Remedy’ before he makes a hasty decision. As an aside he has mentioned divorce twice upto today. Once near the anniversary of his dead father’s death, and once just before his father’s birthday; both obviously  times of grief and stress for him.

Things kind of plodded along for a while. I gave him space, didn’t call him at all, and didn’t ask when or if he was coming over. I made no demands on his time at all. He still came over from time to time to walk the dog and have a cup of tea. We also went out for the odd lunch. He never asked me out in the evening, as he knew I would consider it to be a date. Just before Thanksgiving he invited me and D20 out to see a movie and for lunch. At the restaurant he announced he would be reading over Thanksgiving (he used to read a lot, but hardly at all these days). It turns out he was planning to read the book I gave him.

The day before Thanksgiving he came over to the house. We sat chatting over a cup of tea, he looked into my eyes, and burst into tears saying that he was going to a therapist that afternoon. I asked if he had chosen one that deals with trauma, as I believe his Dad’s death traumatized him. He answered that he had chosen one that was right for his needs, but mentioned it was a non Christian man, as he didn’t want to be judged. He also shared that he had come close to a mental breakdown,
Around Christmas he told me that he had read a book on mindfulness, and was putting it into practice.
He also finished ‘The Divorce Remedy’. He spent a lot of time at the house over Christmas, but I know that was to be around our daughters. He was relaxed and seemed happier in general. He asked me out for dinner for the first time since March, and suggested we pick a time to discuss the book together.
That day was today. I was very nervous as in the days leading upto our talk he kept on saying he didn’t want to be in limbo anymore, and that we both deserve to be happy. Finally this morning he assured me that he wasn’t planning to drop a bombshell.

He started off our talk saying that if it wasn’t for me we wouldn’t still be married. He recognized that I had done the work on myself to change, but he was nervous that the changes weren’t permanent, and that we would both revert to our previous character traits. He had a number of complaints about me listed out. Spending too much money, being unappreciative, being difficult to travel with, comments I made that humiliated him, having a different work ethic to him, amongst others. He said he traveled so much as he had been unhappy in the marriage for three years, and had anxiety about coming home from work (I think guilt over his affair may be a factor here). He finally expressed real remorse over the affair, and said he made a mistake and shouldn’t have done that. He owned the fact that he didn’t communicate with me or try to fix the marriage. He admitted to giving up.

He told me the OW was there for him when he needed someone, but he ended the relationship as it wasn’t working. She had become disillusioned with him not divorcing me, and withhis baggage, the baggage being me! At this point I could not resist saying that she shouldn’t have got involved with a married man, and he agreed. He also admitted she had her own set of problems, which totally tied in with the idea that the OW is as broken or more so than they are.

He admitted to seeing me in a very negative light, and said he knew it was unfair. He also said that he know he’s put a lot of blame on me and that he still harbors a lot of resentment to me. He said he needs time to work on himself, and then he will make 1, 5 and 10 year mission statements and share them with me. He honestly doesn’t know if he still wants to be married, but aims to make a decision in the next 6 months.
To be honest I feel an enormous sense of peace from talking with him. Goodness only knows if our marriage will survive, but I know I’ve done my best to save it. If he decides to pull the plug I know I’ll be ok, and after tonight I think we may even manage to salvage a friendship at least. It felt good to finally hear an apology, to have some really open and honest conversation, and to have certain suspicions about OW confirmed. They shoot themselves in the foot when they make demands! He knows he has nothing to give anyone right now. He has to build himself up again. He said he had been a closed book himself upto now because he didn’t know what he wanted. I hope my sharing this has been helpful in some way. At least it gives some insight into how they think. I really felt before Thanksgiving that he was starting to wake up. He was so anti-therapist, it shocked me that he was willing to go to one. He’s British, as am I, and they don’t seem so open to therapy in general.

As for me, I start my first real job in 23 years tomorrow in a local library. I also start a masters in Library Science mid month. I can really say I’m getting a life. 2019 is looking good. Here’s wishing you all the best for this year.

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« Last Edit: January 02, 2019, 07:25:13 PM by Didot49 »
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Re: Stuck in limbo land!
#31: January 02, 2019, 10:28:32 PM
Hi Didot, thanks for posting about your H and his confessions about the affair and his crisis.

It does seem like he has remorse for the things he has done but his comment about not knowing if he wants to be married and would make a decision in the next six months, totally slammed me. 

How jolly nice of him to give you such a reprieve >:(

As you will know, most MLC's lasts from 2-7 years and most here would think at the two year mark, it would be a transition rather than a crisis.  He does seem to want to be with your girls but beware that he may go back into the tunnel now that he's made these statements to you as may run scared.

I hope he sticks with the IC and makes good progress but your best advice would be to keep living your life and making improvements as the likelihood he is 'cooked' is slim at this point in time.

The fact he is still listing your faults is a big red flag, I hope you listed yours about him?  No one is perfect and his complaints about you are quite ridiculous for someone who's been married for a long time.  He should have been able to talk to you rather than having an affair.

It would be easy to get caught up in being too happy he's showing signs of getting through this, but I would still be very careful of him and take things easy.  Look for actions rather than words from now on as MLCers are horrible liars and returning MLCers usually show remorse with actions.

I wish you well, keep posting for support.
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"And when they ask you about me and you find yourself thinking back on all of our memories,
I hope you ache in regret as the truth hits you like a bullet and you find yourself replying: ""She loved me more than anyone else in the entire world and I tried to destroy her."  He failed by the way. 
http://mlcforum.theherosspouse.com/index.php?topic=8412(Denjef's thread)

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Re: Stuck in limbo land!
#32: January 02, 2019, 10:46:10 PM
Thanks Savvy, he’s been in midlife crisis since i think 2015, Unfortunately I only realized what was going on the beginning of last year after I found out about the affair. He had emotionally cut me off years before that. I had bought into the old cliches about MLC, I didn’t realize there was so much more to it.

I’m under no illusions about his statement about a decision in 6 months. There’s no way he’ll be in a place by then to work on the marriage. I think at that point he’ll buy a house and we’ll probably divorce. He’s in a hurry to make a decision.  My happiness stems from the realization that there really is nothing I can do right now to change how he feels. Somehow it’s freeing. My conscience is clear. I have tried my hardest to save this marriage. The kids have seen it and commented on it. His remorse gave me a sense of peace. Sometimes all we want is a genuine apology. As he was talking it occurred to me that he’s still dragging up the same rubbish. None of it good reason to walk away from a 34 year relationship. It’s actually laughable! I called him out on his lack of communication, the affair and his complete disregard for me. I was happy after he left not because our marriage has a chance. I have no idea what will happen, but tonight at least I realized that I’m happy to leave him to his little crisis. My wedding ring has been off for some time now, and I’m leaving myself open to different possibilities.
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« Last Edit: January 02, 2019, 11:32:27 PM by Didot49 »
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Married 30 years, together 37
BD we’ve grown apart 12/15  ILYBINILWY 4/16
Affair discovered 12/17
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Some reconnection, but no commitment
H mentioned Divorce twice, no action yet.

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Re: Stuck in limbo land!
#33: January 02, 2019, 10:57:58 PM
Our girls are 20 and 22, so although he’s drawn closer to them recently, he wouldn’t see them as a reason to stay in the marriage. They were both home for Christmas, which was why he was home so much.

He asked if I wanted to end the marriage now. I think he would rather I make the decision. I may eventually, but I’m not ready to throw in the towel yet. Unfortunately this evening showed me that he’s still all about blaming and projection.
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Affair discovered 12/17
H moved out 12/17
Trying to stand for the marriage.
Some reconnection, but no commitment
H mentioned Divorce twice, no action yet.

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Re: Stuck in limbo land!
#34: January 02, 2019, 11:40:27 PM
You are sounding good Didot, you will need to stay as detached as possible over the next months.

If he's been in crisis since 2014, he may well be cooking very slowly but it hit me that you 'think' he's been in crisis so long because when my H H BD'd me, life was like a tornado after that, there was no question it was a MLC, as his behavior was erratic and simply crazy.  He couldn't wait to be rid of me and all the other usual MLC stuff.


MLCers confessions are usually drama filled but your H seems less so.  I'm glad he's been mostly civil to you but I wouldn't allow him to win with the divorce in six months.  If he wants a divorce, MLCers need to do ALL the work.  It's not what we want and certainly don't need to be reminded that we ended the marriage, they would love that one ::) Would add to all the other terrible things we are.  If he ends up wanting an end to the marriage, make sure he does that.

Make sure you are financially secure either way, their behavior escalates if they find a new ow. sort the financials but leave the divorce to him.

I wish you all the luck with him in the next months and do hope he's genuine.

All the best with your new job, what a time for that to happen!!

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« Last Edit: January 02, 2019, 11:41:37 PM by Savoir Faire »
"And when they ask you about me and you find yourself thinking back on all of our memories,
I hope you ache in regret as the truth hits you like a bullet and you find yourself replying: ""She loved me more than anyone else in the entire world and I tried to destroy her."  He failed by the way. 
http://mlcforum.theherosspouse.com/index.php?topic=8412(Denjef's thread)

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Re: Stuck in limbo land!
#35: January 03, 2019, 12:03:31 AM
First bomb drop was December 2015, but deliberate disconnection starting in 2014, and weird comments and behavior through 2014 and 2015; Irritability, and depression. If a bombdrop is the marker.  He’s only 3 years into this. Certainly seems like he’s got a good year or two at least to come through this (if he ever does).

Detaching was initially very difficult. It’s been getting easier. With the new job and studying I’ll be too busy for his shenanigans. I’m welcoming the distraction. Savvy, I will follow your advice as regards the divorce. I have a lawyer lined up already, and a divorce coach. Should he decide to go forward with Divorce I’m ready. Financially I know I’ll be ok. I’m very fortunate in that respect. As hideous as he has been at times, he’s reasonable with finances.

Thanks for the good wishes and advice. It’s good to get a different perspective on all of his absolute rubbish. I’m still in shock sometimes. He was so solid and dependable. C’est la vie!
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Affair discovered 12/17
H moved out 12/17
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Some reconnection, but no commitment
H mentioned Divorce twice, no action yet.

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Re: Stuck in limbo land!
#36: January 03, 2019, 02:38:14 PM
Thanks for the update Didot.  You are clearly not new to this and I have no doubt that 2019 will be a great year for you no matter what happens.

It will be interesting to see where your H goes with his path now.  I think its fairly normal for him to test the waters in the way he has (still with blame) and I think you have definitely left a door open should you both decide to walk through it later.  It sounds like he is open to looking at things differently now or he wouldn't be reading, seeing an IC and talking to you.

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BD's in May 09, Sept 12 - suspected OW
Left home Jan 12 2013
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BD again in April 2017 - clinging. 
Moved home again March 2020
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Re: Stuck in limbo land!
#37: January 03, 2019, 05:48:46 PM
Glad to be of help Didot.  I'm still in shock to a degree and it's been over five years, it gets easier but never really goes away.

I had to be very careful with my xH as he was very aggressive about money and the divorce which he finally got all by himself (online)  ::)

I'm honestly of the belief if they want a divorce, they should have to go through a ceremony similar to that of the marriage.  Pretty sure m any divorces would be stopped if they had to look into our eyes.

Keep up the good work and post here for support.  I have no idea how I would have survived without the people here.
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"And when they ask you about me and you find yourself thinking back on all of our memories,
I hope you ache in regret as the truth hits you like a bullet and you find yourself replying: ""She loved me more than anyone else in the entire world and I tried to destroy her."  He failed by the way. 
http://mlcforum.theherosspouse.com/index.php?topic=8412(Denjef's thread)

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Re: Stuck in limbo land!
#38: January 04, 2019, 11:31:21 PM
Savvy, and Hope and faith, thanks for the encouragement. I’ll keep plodding along. This year will be an interesting one for sure!

 H has invited my daughters and me to the movies at the weekend. I was tempted to say no, but our former marriage counselor advised accepting all family invitations. My youngest leaves for a study abroad program in Spain in 10 days, so I’m not going to pass up the opportunity to spend more time with her either.

I went to a Sound Bath Ceremony Mediation this evening. It’s supposed to shift energy and relieve stress and anxiety. I have to admit I felt a bit tearful afterwards. I found it relaxing, and  would definitely go again.
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Affair discovered 12/17
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Trying to stand for the marriage.
Some reconnection, but no commitment
H mentioned Divorce twice, no action yet.

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Re: Stuck in limbo land!
#39: January 04, 2019, 11:39:43 PM
Thunder is quite right.
And being nice? Well, you don't want this version back do you? Or to be a punchbag for his justifications?
Do what is best for you. Let him run off on his crazy train.
Not sure about the advice from your ex-MC tbh, so probably better to trust your own instincts and what serves you best. If your first reaction was to say no, why not stick with that and just let him go with your daughters? It's a few hours, no biggie in the grand scheme of things.  Use the time to do something nicer for you with no eggshells or MLC drama involved perhaps.

With a bit of detachment, of course, as you say you can start to see the ridiculousness of what they say. 95% responsible for his depression? Ridiculous. If that were true, you would have clicked your fingers and restored him to the h you knew lol.

Any new thoughts about a house move?
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« Last Edit: January 04, 2019, 11:44:46 PM by Treasur »
T: 18  M: 12 (at BD) No kids.
H diagnosed with severe depression Oct 15. BD May 16. OW since April 16, maybe earlier. Silent vanisher mostly.
Divorced April 18. XH married ow 6 weeks later.


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