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Off-Topic Re: Forum Problems 2
« on: August 13, 2018, 09:49:15 AM »
Right now I am and have been for the past 30 minutes or so been working on the colors for the mobile theme. This is different because this particular theme allows me to change colors in the back-end, whereas most do not have that option and I have to change the code directly.

I've been using some of the colors from the multicolor theme--rather than the slightly brighter greens from my brand colors. This is why you have been seeing some mixed colors. It takes about two minutes for each change to repopulate and then I have to see what it changed--so I have 3 windows open--the original multicolor in another browser, the board index and the backend.

I have the site background, the headers (some background strips--called category background I think) and the Header. I also changed the font to Verdana on the two places it allows...but don't see it. I want the header color a bit lighter and would like that color to continue--replacing the medium blue background overlaying the wider background (which I set as light purple--matching the main site).

I need to get going though--I'm doing this while the kids are creating fun chaos around me! ;) But I do want anyone on the mobile theme to have the more calming green background--since most, like me, prefer that. It's just a quick fix and I have not figure out all of it. There are also annoying bursts of blue between posts I did not figure out the other day. The backend color changes are limited.
It does appear that you should now be able to change your theme in your profile again though--I am logged in in the other browser as one of my test users and I was able to change it--profile--look and layout there is a tiny link next to current theme.



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Re: Re: Forum Problems 2
« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2018, 09:52:01 AM »
Back to normal for me too.

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Re: Re: Forum Problems 2
« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2018, 09:58:16 AM »
Back to normal for me too.

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Let's dance like maniacs before she changes them again!

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Re: Re: Forum Problems 2
« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2018, 10:05:19 AM »
Maybe it was Sir Osis.

I was just changing something else and when I refreshed I was on multicolor.
I will check to see what the default. I will then change mine to the mobile--when we can choose our theme it is like using a test site because I can select the mobile and make changes to it while you guys can still use multicolor..and aren't I supposed to be going?
I need to get 5 little ones ready for a Costco outing!

I was just changing the last color for now anyway. After that I really want to do it without you guys seeing the weird changes because I am down to a couple that I am not sure what/where they do/are and so I may choose some luridly bright test color at first so I can find the changes. I did that with this awful bright pink on the test forum and it is so weird...I only see the bright pink for a fraction of a second as I refresh. :o

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« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2018, 10:08:48 AM »
I'll read through all your posts soon as I get a chance, but one thing I'm not getting is how you were seeing 'the old version' on phones.  Curve Multi Color, which was your original theme for a long time (green theme by default, with selectable color variants), is not a responsive theme, it should display the same on mobile as it does on pc, so you have to zoom everything up to read/post/pm, etc.  That's how my forums look/work on mobile.  The changes started a few days ago when RCR was working with mobile-desktop, a responsive theme that is supposed to look different on phones, and be easier to work with.  That's the theme you're looking at now.  I installed a clean copy last night, and it's really not that bad, but she's once again made some changes which have changed the fonts (face and size), and made it look awful.  We also tried a responsive curve mod, which adds mobile features to Curve, but it doesn't work very well.

If everyone was happy with the old theme (non-responsive Curve MC), and no one was complaining about using it on phones, then there would have been no reason to make any changes.  If you want a theme that's responsive for easier use on mobiles, then it'll take a bit of work to find and customize one that'll work for everyone.  Mobile themes are something of a horror show because of all the variations in devices, compounded by the usual differences in personal preferences.

I've just now set everyone back to Curve MC, and uninstalled responsive Curve mod, so everything should be as it was.


@RCR - if you want to continue working with mobile-desktop, you can select it for your own use in Profile -> Look and Layout, I can do the same if you need assistance.  All other members will remain in Curve MC.

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Re: Re: Forum Problems 2
« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2018, 10:36:56 AM »
Actually I have not done anything to the font size attribute; I only changed to Verdana which interestingly it looks like is the first option which I thought meant would be the default and was not. So I switched from comic sans (yuck) to Verdana and it is naturally bigger. I just now switched to Arial to see if that is better. But I am the only one on this theme--which is good for now.

I did not realize that there are now two of the mobile-desktop themes installed--the one I had started with that used my brand colors no one liked and then today I thought it was just a clean install and the other was gone, I began trying the more subdued multicolor greens. I think it is better. But colors or not, the theme is still giving people problems which means it won't work. It's nice for me right now though because I can still use it to test colors while everyone else continues on curve mc.

The test forum can only take me so far--with all the posts and users there is more for me to see when I make changes here.

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« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2018, 10:57:16 AM »
Yay, I can read posts without a magnifying glass on my tablet now!
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« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2018, 11:23:15 AM »
Thank you - it’s back to normal now!

I can read it and use it as normal! Hallelujah

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Re: Re: Forum Problems 2
« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2018, 07:51:50 PM »
I have mobile-desktop running here, currently out-of-box.  It's not a bad theme, and the mobile view is better than responsive curve, which has a basically unuseable main menu, which for some reason isn't displayed on this forum (I have it working elsewhere).  Not going to waste time with it.  If I can get out from under, I'll tinker with mobile-desktop tonight.  The code is very strange, so it'll take a while to find things.

@RCR - I'll do the menu buttons for you now.  The mobile-desktop you were working on when I got here is in /mobile-desktop.sav/.

Buttons are up.  You can rename or move them around in /Sources/Subs.php.


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Re: Re: Forum Problems 2
« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2018, 07:52:40 PM »
If everyone was happy with the old theme (non-responsive Curve MC), and no one was complaining about using it on phones, then there would have been no reason to make any changes.

As RCR explained, the changes were because of Google responsiveness. Don't think anyone was complaining of the old/usual/normal theme. And I don't think people were asked if they were or weren't happy with it.

If you want a theme that's responsive for easier use on mobiles, then it'll take a bit of work to find and customize one that'll work for everyone. 

It is RCR that wants/needs the responsice theme. None of us, maybe aside from you, were aware of the responsiveness issue until RCR mentioned it. Even those of us who are a bit techie don't come here thinking about those matters. We only want the board to be readable and working.

Mobile themes are something of a horror show because of all the variations in devices, compounded by the usual differences in personal preferences.

Indeed, mobile themes are a horror show. The personal preferences also aply to computer (or tablet) users. Gmail will soon be chaning again, but, as always, will allow for the use of its classic theme, that is the one I use with a personalized colour.

RCR, shinny/bright colours are a problem regardless of the colour. They tire and hurt the eyes and make things difficult. For people to remain on a site/spend time on a site, the site must be comfortable to the eyes (and head, some tones and shades and light intensity cause some people terrible headaches).

The more mate soft grey-green (the original multi-colour) is comfortable and does not tire the eyes.

Also to remember that, like Ursa said, some colours are not good to be seen at night because they affect sleep. It was the case of the blue themes.

Can you create a mirror board, with all the users and features, but have it on a different url, or on a beta/experimental page? That way you wouldn't have to be testing on the real board, rather on the replica.

I have mobile-desktop running here, currently out-of-box.

Whatever that thing is, it looks pretty much like all the other blue designs. It hurt the eyes, is too bright, weird small font, etc. If you are going to do new tries, please find a away of leaving the option to revert to curve multi-colour if we so wish.
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Re: Re: Forum Problems 2
« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2018, 10:16:05 PM »
Why has the site changed again? It was working fine yesterday and back to normal and now it’s all weird again!

What’s going on?

Just want a site that’s easy to use!

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Re: Re: Forum Problems 2
« Reply #11 on: August 13, 2018, 10:41:45 PM »
It hasn't changed, you should be seeing the old theme (Curve Multi Color - green), just like it was before.

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« Reply #12 on: August 13, 2018, 11:41:08 PM »
@RCR - Did some tinkering with mobile-desktop here.  Not finished, but it's the general idea.  I'm working in FF61 responsive design mode, what's it look like on phones?

Also fixed the menu problem in responsive Curve.  What were the objections to that theme?  It doesn't change the current theme on pc, only mobile.  (It's not currently installed.)


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« Reply #13 on: August 14, 2018, 12:21:24 AM »
@RCR - Did some tinkering with mobile-desktop here.  Not finished, but it's the general idea.  I'm working in FF61 responsive design mode, what's it look like on phones?

OK, I am on Android 8 and using Chrome on an Honor9 phone. The design on the Krashsite test is cool... the colors are easy to deal with, easy on the eyes (the green is muted and not "in your face" glaring), the font is quite legible and easy to read. the screen in both horizontal and vertical modes resizes correctly with the screen boundaries in width determining the page width. Pictures reize nicely. The theme is very responsive on my phone but then again, I log in directly and not via a Web Search over Google plus I have 64GB onboard RAM and 64 additional in an SD card so I am NOT memory limited...

For the mobile side, that is a theme that is quite acceptable in my eyes.

On the PC side, the return to the old color scheme is MUCH easier to read over time and the font is fine (no more comic sans! YEAH!) in terms of face and pitch....

Thanks RCR and Sir Osis for all the work and tinkering. The idea of the test site where us users can look before publishing it to the real world is a VERY good one....

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Re: Forum Problems 2
« Reply #14 on: August 14, 2018, 04:01:58 AM »
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The site is working fine for me on the PC and phone - no problems at all :)
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Re: Forum Problems 2
« Reply #15 on: August 14, 2018, 09:43:57 AM »
Heading to fair 90 minute drive each way--day out with the adorables. So gone all day.

Thank you so much Sir Osis. That test site is especially nice.

Everyone, check out that test site as Ursa did and let us know if those colors are okay--I tried to use the base colors from our original theme.

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And Sir Osis, let me know if I am understanding you... non mobile users will be able to default to the mobile theme and PC users to the original theme?

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« Reply #16 on: August 14, 2018, 03:36:19 PM »
If you install a responsive theme or mod, it's supposed to show the user the appropriate format for the device they're using.  PC users will see pc view, mobile users will see mobile view, they cannot choose which view they see on their device.  That's why it's called responsive, it automatically adjusts to viewing device.  If we reinstall responsive Curve mod in Curve MC, mobile users see the mobile format.  (I've done some tinkering with it and corrected the nav problem.)  PC users will continue to see what they've been seeing all along, there won't be any change.  The mod converts Curve MC from non-responsive to responsive.  Mobile-desktop is a responsive theme, mobile format is built in. 

From the many comments posted, it seems that most members have been very happy with Curve MC, whether using pc or mobile.  If your major reason for going responsive is seo, I believe it's possible to show Google responsive Curve MC, while keeping everyone else on current non-responsive theme.  We can have two versions, guests (and Google) see responsive, members don't unless they opt to select it in profile.  Don't think it can be done in ACP, but a simple database edit should do it.  I'll try it on test install soon as I get a chance.
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Re: Forum Problems 2
« Reply #17 on: August 27, 2018, 10:38:19 PM »
Sorry for the delay everyone. But I did want to give you a break from all the chaotic design testing  ;) and school is now starting--this week and next and I've got a peach tree that just finished and another ready to harvest. I am up to my ears in peaches and now the plums are about to be ready!

It turned out that changing the colors--slightly was easier than I thought--no coding, though that confused me at first since I'm more used to going to CSS and making changes than to images still don't know how it works! I made changes at a test site and then created a new theme based on the default theme we all love. I used the main colors, but not all of them--there are 10-20 different greens, many that seem almost the same--in the original. I just scaled down and used a few. I also changed the orange fonts to a maroon because I just don't like orange and I think the Header fonts are now a dark purple and some buttons are a little different. I also made the stickied topics at the top of the board have light purple backgrounds instead of the original pink. Honestly, as I look at what I can see now of the theme while typing, I can barely tell the difference (since I've scrolled beyond the Header). I am hoping it just feels natural to you.
This is not responsive, but as Siro Osis said, the responsive mod can help with that...
Sir Osis, I don't want to install the mod without checking with you that we should be safe--no clashes with other mods? I also really need to get my adsense mod (or a different one than I used before) installed again and am nervous that something will break.

I'd love to hear your thoughts on the colors I am using in the new theme--I don't want to make it default without feedback, but may do that so everyone can see it (temporarily while awaiting feedback) if no one manually goes in and tries it out. This theme should only be different by a few color changes--but no layout changes, missing or additional features--though a header that is like the main site.

To view the theme go to your profile, then look and layout. The first thing in Look and Layout is Current Theme with a change link next to it in a smaller font. This will show you alist, find HS_ multicolor, I think it is the last in the list.

Then post here with your opinions.

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Re: Forum Problems 2
« Reply #18 on: August 28, 2018, 07:12:03 AM »
To add...
One thing I don't know how to fix is the menu buttons above. They are now going through the border line between two colors and that is annoying. There might be a fixing the css--it often has a placement attribute of so many pixels from the top or something like that, I just haven't found it. Sir Osis, do you know?

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« Reply #19 on: August 28, 2018, 07:32:37 AM »
To add...
One thing I don't know how to fix is the menu buttons above. They are now going through the border line between two colors and that is annoying.

Its funny - I dont have that issue.

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« Reply #20 on: August 28, 2018, 08:45:08 AM »
To add...
One thing I don't know how to fix is the menu buttons above. They are now going through the border line between two colors and that is annoying.

Its funny - I dont have that issue.
Good to know, I had wondered because I did not have that problem in some browsers in the test site--but I think that was when I was logged in and then it went away when I logged in, but now in Chrome I have the problem when logged in, but I thought it had been okay in Chrome for awhile too. Weird

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« Reply #21 on: August 28, 2018, 08:56:52 AM »
Now in Internet Explorer...

The location of the menu is the same--through the border...BUT that is when I have the Welcome showing--Hello, show unread posts, show new replies, date/time--four lines next to mini logo. When I click the up/down arrow by the search box I can hide the welcome cluster and the menu moves up.

Hmm, that little arrow is white and does not show up very well...I need to make find out where to make it darker...maybe one of the darker greens.

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« Reply #22 on: August 29, 2018, 09:38:31 PM »
Just having a look.  The upshrink image is called in index.template.php -

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// the upshrink image, right-floated
echo '
<img id="upshrink" src="', $settings['images_url'], '/upshrink.png" alt="*" title="', $txt['upshrink_description'], '" style="display: none;" />';


It's in Themes/Curve_Multi_Color/images/.

Main menu looks normal to me in IE11.  Header image is overflowing right.  Responsive curve mod will likely be a problem.  It's designed to work only with default Curve, I can fix some of the glitches in Curve MC, but probably not all, especially with a lot of mods running.  The best responsive theme I've worked with so far (I've only recently started messing with this) is mobile-desktop.  Some mods have been updated to work with responsive themes, some haven't, you just have to try them.  Best thing to do is to finalize whichever new theme you want to use, then we can try modding it for mobile.



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« Reply #23 on: August 30, 2018, 03:05:21 PM »
Was thinking about this after I got off last night, it's really not clear to me what you're trying to accomplish.  Everyone here seems to prefer Curve MC green, and the themes you've been working on look basically the same.  If the only goal is to make the theme responsive, it would be pretty simple to recolor default Curve same as MC green.  If you apply the changes to your current default Curve install, there would be no need to uninstall/reinstall mods, as you'd have to do with a new theme, and you can use responsive Curve mod, which is designed to work with default Curve.  If there are problems with some mods, you'll have to deal with that in any theme you use.  It would be the easiest way to retain your current look and make it responsive.

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« Reply #24 on: August 31, 2018, 10:16:31 PM »
OMG, Why hadn't I thought of that?

I think we all seem to prefer the green and when I chose MC I chose it because I liked the green option more than any other theme I found. Thanks. I will look into this.

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« Reply #25 on: September 01, 2018, 08:51:55 PM »
Here is default Curve running with MC green images and css.  Just takes a few minutes to do.

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« Reply #27 on: September 09, 2018, 04:38:02 AM »
Can you lock my old thread but unlock my new one please? Thank you

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