[xyzcf]

I place my trust in The World Health Organization, The Center for Disease Control, The national Institute for Health and all the other public health agencies around the world who are leading the fight against COVID-19. They are the experts. They have prepared for pandemics before and are working towards limiting the spread of the virus so that lives will be saved.

Lives will be saved. That is what I consider to be important.

Slowing down the spread of the virus will ultimately allow the economy to recover.

A society that does not value life (and we are already in that mindset but don't get me started on that) is one that will be the ruin of itself.

Just my opinion. No we do not have to agree with one another. Nerissa was expressing her thoughts and she was well within her right to do so.

[Nerissa]

The person who questioned whether a few lives here and there were worth the economic damage isn’t thinking that she or her loved ones are going under, I assume - that or else she’s An acolyte of Trump.

This was unfair. Not everyone runs on the emotional "what-if it were their loved one who was ill".  It's OK if you happen to, but unfair to judge those who may not or accuse them of being an acolyte of anyone because they run on the "What-if the economy is trashed, people lose their house, their jobs, their livelihood and die from stress related illness or become more prone to COVID 19 due to being unable to take care of themselves and their family". There is no requirement that we have to agree with each other.

Point accepted, Off-road.  I wrote carelessly.  But I’m not running on emotion.  The post I referred to is here:

“The disease is highly contagious, that’s for sure.  Probably more than we realize.  Give they are saying 80% that get it will have little or even no symptoms and we aren’t doing widespread testing, it could be far more widespread than we realize.  The mortality rate is very high in the elderly but the latest numbers I’m seeing for the whole infected population are now estimated to be much closer to the flu.  Everyone keeps pointing to Italy for how bad it will get and I keep asking what the population there looks like compared to other nations?  Is it older?  More smokers?  Those facts matter.

So I keep coming back to “at what cost”. Are we actually saving lives by destroying the global economy?  And how many lives?  Does even one life saved justify the financial ruin of millions?  It’s the retired those just starting out that will suffer the most though lower retirement funds and future necessary tax increases to pay for all the bailouts being talked about.

Have we reached a point where the cure is worse than the disease?  I am not an expert it virology, but I do understand data sets and statistics and economics and the numbers don’t work out when I look at what they are presenting.”

And it seemed to me to be thoughtless and  and asking questions with answers, (as far as possible when the circumstances are unprecedented) which are in the public domain.  As Treasur pointed out somewhere, right wing governments are not known for trashing their economies for fun.   Expert Forecasts are easily available on any reputable news site and the  situation  in Italy and Spain  is broadcast.   The human (and economic)  cost of inaction will be huge. it isn’t hard to educate ourselves  about the basics and to know that we are not talking about the loss of a small number of lives. I’m not arguing about the ethics of choosing lives  over economic growth - just that the post didn’t seem to me to have a grasp of the situation.

Denial  and cognitive dissonance are very real. Our own experiences mean  We know that better than most!

[MyBrainIsBroken]

Thanks for the update 3Boys. I hope the grandfather continues to respond well to the trial therapy. That's good news not only for him and his family but for all of us.

SB, take care of yourself. Do you have anyone to help out if needed?

[strawberry]

I’ve been thinking for a while that it’s time for me to walk away from this site.  I haven’t stated a new thread because for a long time I’ve felt that only people who run on emotion are welcome here.  I run on logic.  I’m willing to have a rational discussion with a anyone.  But I won’t debate emotional pleas.  I’ve written several responses to this post over the last day but have deleted them all.  Accusing me to be a f****** Trump acolyte because I disagree......passive aggressively asking if you misunderstood my words because you disagree is BS.  On the bright side, this site once again taught me that I don’t have to put up with stupid $h!te from my husband or anyone else.

Farewell.

[3Boys4Me]

Thanks Brain, I have tremendous support. A sister already brought me supplies today and other siblings and friends are on-line for when we need more. We are blessed.

[Seahorse]

I've been off the forum for awhile now, but wanted to put the good news out there.
China's been able to close 6 sites of service of COVID 19 because the need is decreasing.
So, in a few weeks we should be there.
Keep staying safe and doing the right things.

Sea

[Marchingforward]

[quote author=Finding Joy link=topic=11420.msg760098#msg760098 date=1584655755
Being in an at risk group, yet being overall healthy, I have to say this was way worse than the flu.  Though I was never tested, so nothing is confirmed.
[/quote]

Right! I don’t get flu shots because I did once and was so sick. I’ve had influenza a few times over the years but I’m young and healthy. If I get sick I stay home and keep away from people. Whatever I had in January was way worse than any influenza I’ve ever had. Again, I am quite healthy with no underlying medical conditions so it never occurred to me to seek medical attention so I guess I won’t know if I actually had it or not. Whatever it was, it was bad and I wouldn’t want to see what it could have done to someone with a compromised immune system or an elderly person.

[Whyus]

I am truly sorry for everybody that is directly affected by the Virus, I wish you all well and the strength to get through this. Nobody should be alone right now, make a phone call, chat with loved ones and friends, crack a joke in your Whatsapp groups and try to pick people up who are down or just bored! If anybody wants to Whatsapp me (even if out of pure boredom)  just pm me for my number.
I personally do not like the comparisons to the flu. These are the comparisons used at "the start" of this which caused Governments to take it on the light shoulder for too Long. Trump is a great example!!!

It will not be as bad as it in Italy everywhere. Italy has an older than average Population and it is common for Generations to all live together in one house meaning that the elderly are on the front line so to speak. Its similar in Spain, Turkey and other countries.
Turkey is horrible example of how quick this Virus can spread when given a Chance. On the 12.03 Turkey had just one case, 13.03 - 5, 15.03 - 6, 16.03 - 18 17.03 - 47 18.03 - 98 19.03 - 192 20.03 - 359….. we can expect to see a similar rise in countries like India, Pakistan and others soon too.

I suspect that the figures in the USA (Especially NY) are going to double in the next 3-4 days latest, a similar pattern if not quicker than that we are seeing in Germany atm.

Life will be different when this is over.  I just hope that we all as a human race can grow together a Little and show more respect for the simple Things in life and learn to appreciate Things like Sport events, bars, concerts and all public gatherings in general.

Please Stay home if you can and take this seriously. I personally have no fear, I still have to go to work every day but I truly believe that this whole Situation is for the best.
We can still go for walks and appreciate simple things. We can still ride our motorbikes (I think/hope). You are alone on a bike afterall and have a helmet on so that may just become the go to, pretty safe activity over the next few weeks.
Just look what has happened to the water in Venice with just a week or 2 without humans. The planet is breathing a sigh of relief and we Need to grasp this Chance and stand together in Solidarity.

[Treasur]

A lovely thing happened yesterday....bc don't we LBS all love those glimmers of good humans, so refreshingly unMLC  .
A note came through my door that a local group of volunteers is offering to be a source of support to anyone living alone, ill or isolated without a family support system. Our local small shops have already sent round a note that they have set up a centralised delivery system for anyone who needs it but of course little shops only have a few people. And people might need support in more than just shopping. Good idea I thought bc where I live has an older population. I'm going to ring the guy up and volunteer. I really like it when we are reminded of the kind of unshowy solidarity that WhyUs mentions.....it is easy to forget that it is out there, but truthfully our communities are full of it and we can be optimistic about that https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/20/after-coronavirus-well-be-poorer-and-more-broken-but-we-might-be-more-tender-too

On a more somber but practical note https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cpRlI-W_cEc.....this young fit 39 year old woman with no pre existing health conditions recovering from the virus in ICU posted this. Her big message....it's real, please don't take chances with it and you need your lungs and immune system to be as strong as possible

[OldPilot]

TAX DAY in US changed from April 15 to July 15.