[xyzcf]

A positive message

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fp6UZ_I4zj0&feature=youtu.be

[Treasur]

In a strange link between the virus and infidelity, Neil Ferguson (the guy behind the Imperial model that has had such an impact in many countries) has resigned from being a government adviser. Why? Bc he was busted breaking lockdown restrictions by having his married AP come over for fun and frolics  His defence initially? He'd had the virus so believed he was immune....although he was wfh bc of it......no concern about the integrity of practicing what he preached or any risk to his AP, her h or her kids when the jury is still out on immunity  and this is at a time when the UK now has the dubious honour of the largest number of deaths in Europe.....

There is something inherently selfish and rather delusional about infidelity isn't there? And at a time when so many people are suffering here, both from the affects of lockdown and from covid19, it just makes you feel yuk about folks who are so self-centred. What a foolish man. Not perhaps quite the professional legacy he had in mind.

[Milly]

Sad story, Treasur. If it weren't for the virus, we would not even learn about these entitled people. There was the medical advisor in Scotland too, wasn't there? She wasn't unfaithful, but after telling everyone on TV to stay at home, she attempted to reach her holiday home twice. So arrogant.

And as for Neil Ferguson, no sympathy for him from anyone, except maybe some MLCers who will find it funny and feel sorry for him. Just goes to show that there's a good chance that our MLCers carried on their usual Replay madness during this world crisis with their thoughts directed only at themselves. If any of us wondered if the Coronavirus might wake our MLCers up, this would be proof that it won't. They don't care about others. I suspect they only wake up when the problem affects them personally and deeply. But even then, they might not.

[Nerissa]

Yes although infidelity isn’t necessarily the biggest issue as I understand it since it’s reported that the woman is in an open marriage and he had met her husband.  Prof Ferguson lives separately from his wife.  ( whatever that means - but the implication is that they are no longer together. If this were a secret from his wife I feel we’d have learned more about his marriage)

He has  broken his own advice, saying that because he had had the virus he believed was no longer able to spread it.  As you say, that doesn’t apply to her or her family and may not apply to him either.  So that’s hypocrisy  on his part.

More Interesting imo is that a very right wing paper has sat on the story they found by using detectives for a whole month and released it on the front page in the very day the UK death rate  overtook other European countries.  It has also dubbed him Professor Lockdown and says he insisted on a lockdown that the papers owners want lifted.  I don’t think a mathematical modeller insists on anything.  I think they offer their findings and the politicians then make decisions based on that information.

As an aside, if they have detectives following him that possibly  also happens to other members of the scientific advisors as they try to find negative information to use for political purposes..  It’s not very salubrious.

I mean a cabinet minister broke lockdown to go to his second home and to visit his parents and nothing has happened to him .  And our Prime ministers private life is in a completely different league of immorality  to Prof Ferguson and he is feted by this paper.  They called his mistress his fiancée while he was still Married. 

It’s all really unpleasant and shows a lot of the worst side of human nature.  So depressing when so much of this has brought out the best in so many.

[Treasur]

An interesting article about the effects of these times https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2020/may/07/patterns-of-pain-covid-19-psychotherapy-susie-orbach-bodies
What struck me most was two points; the easy to dismiss effects of physical isolation and perhaps the beginning of a change in how we see and value 'hands on work' in our societies.

[marvin4242]

Great read. I have also seen other articles about how in US there is a mental health crises wave that will follow and how there is no infrastructure, support nor is mental health care covered in most plans.

I also saw this today which lines up with the “micro clotting” and increased clotting reported. Blood thinner treatment increased survival to 21 days from 14 days in patients not no ventilator, but did not seem to increase survival rates. For patients on ventilators it increased mortality dropped from 63% to 29%. So that is a significant improvement.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/05/07/blood-thinners-coronavirus-clots/

[xyzcf]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tarahaelle/2020/05/08/why-its-important-to-push-back-on-plandemic-and-how-to-do-it/#4bc641275fa3

I don't understand how people can believe the misinformation that is circulating about COVID. This is a good article that explains some of the reasons.

[OffRoad]

It is my opinion that many people do not actually know how to think for themselves.

When my son was born, there was a new vaccine for rotavirus. The nurse said they were going to give him that with the other vaccines. I asked if it was required, as i knew nothing about it and had done no research. She said no, but then tried to bully me into letting her give it to him by implying I was a bad mother if I didn't. I didn't say no to all the vaccines, just that one, and had some restrictions for DTAP due to bad reactions to that from my daughter. I was treated like I was sentencing my son to a lifetime of rotavirus for thinking for myself and considering all factors.

The rotavirus vaccine was pulled  two months later, due to issues with it causing Intussusception. The cure appeared to kill more infants than the disease. Three month later, it was back as "recommended". 2.5 years later (18 years ago), it was pulled again and has never been "recommended" again. The cure did kill more than the disease.

My point being that in my experience, people are told to listen to the "experts" but there is no badge that guarantees that person x is an expert. For all we know, that expert is just regurgitating what THEY were told. Or towing the acceptable line.   Or that even if they are very experienced in a field, there might be someone equally experienced that takes the same facts and can validly come up with a differing theory. Even some conspiracy theories have some truth in them and are worth the research to find what the truth is. Each person needs to think "If X were true, how does that affect what I should do? If Y were true, how would that affect what I should do? How to I determine how valid this is?  How does this fit in with my values and  beliefs? How will it affect other people?" People can make good choices when they are not told to blindly follow some guidlines without understanding the reasons why, if they are given alternatives that make sense for their situation.  Unless they have never been taught how to think for themselves and believe that social media is the same as a research paper. .

Which part is the "misinformation" , after all? The part where according to some websites the world death rate is 16% and the US death rate is 26%, but only because most of the cases have never been closed due to lack of testing for negative results because they weren't sick enough to end up in a hospital?  Do I believe that 1 in 4 people who had Covid 19 in the US have died?  No. I do my own math.JMO

[marvin4242]

OffRoad: your post is EXACTLY what misinformation does when non experts doubt real expertise. If you are truly interested read this:

“Evaluating the safety of a rotavirus vaccine: the REST of the story”

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2602609/

For those of us who have knowledge in a field of study it is rather easy to separate a true expert from fake talking heads on Fox News and other various garbage “information” channels that people listen to. This isn’t up to the opinion of the uninformed. Expertise is well understood and defined by practitioners of a given field. And science doesn’t rely on “expertise” of an individual, it is the expertise of a LARGE group of experts in a field. Most people don’t actually understand how science works, how its not based on any one persons opinion and knowledge.

The truth is vast majority of people are NOT qualified to try to make their own decisions about complex areas of human knowledge. This is not a “popular” thing to say but it is true. We drive cars that are safe because of expertise of others, we eat food and enjoy quality of life because of vast areas of knowledge most people do not possess. But none of this stops us from trusting expertise and knowledge not in our possession.

This kind of vaccine misinformation is exactly what is already started against vaccines that don’t even exist.

“Groups Sow Doubt About COVID Vaccine Before One Even Exists”

https://www.snopes.com/ap/2020/04/29/groups-sow-doubt-about-covid-vaccine-before-one-even-exists/

[xyzcf]

She said no, but then tried to bully me into letting her give it to him by implying I was a bad mother if I didn't. I didn't say no to all the vaccines, just that one, and had some restrictions for DTAP due to bad reactions to that from my daughter. I was treated like I was sentencing my son to a lifetime of rotavirus for thinking for myself and considering all factors.

I am really sorry that this one nurse made you feel that way.

I have worked in infectious diseases and immunization clinics for more than 10 years of my 40 + years of my nursing career and neither I nor any of my colleagues ever spoke to a client that way. Indeed, we received training regarding what to say to someone who had doubts about receiving a vaccine and ALL vaccines given had to be signed for by the legal guardian. Their signature agreeing that they have been told about any risks involved.  As well, every vaccine has a VIS, Vaccine Information Sheet, that is from the CDC with all the side effects listed for the specific vaccine and where to contact if there were any side effects.

Any adverse reactions are also carefully documented and submitted to the CDC.

My question for those who are anti vaccines is:

Why would millions of doctors administer a product to their patients, to their family members and to themselves if they had concerns about the safety of these vaccines? It just doesn't make sense that they would do this.

Yes, occasionally there are side effects from the vaccines. However, the amount of lives saved because of immunization is far far greater than the few side effects that occur.

As marvin stated:

And science doesn’t rely on “expertise” of an individual, it is the expertise of a LARGE group of experts in a field.

and might I add from around the world.

And this:

This kind of vaccine misinformation is exactly what is already started against vaccines that don’t even exist. (re COVID)

You can't win sometimes. Those who feel they must wear military  garb and carry their weapons to protest due to a public health crisis will find a way to infiltrate their lies into society.

There are so many valid sources to obtain data from but unfortunately all these well respected sources that have been around for decades are now under attack as being a "hoax".