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#110: November 03, 2023, 08:10:33 PM
Just catching up on your update.  Sorry to hear that there are some missing posts.  Yikes!

It's good to hear that your M is doing well after having her hip broken.  If I have any health issues, I will think of your M and maybe it will give me motivation to push through.
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#111: November 03, 2023, 08:20:58 PM
I drop in occasionally - thanks for the update, UM. 

Your life sounds quite busy, as always.  Nice to read that you still are getting out on the motorcycle and that your kids enjoy it as well.  I was on the Harley this past weekend enjoying fall colors.  I love this time of year.   

I'm still teaching and am going to become a first time grandmother in February! 

I also am appreciative of all you do behind the scenes here on THS.   Thanks!

Congrats on the new grandbaby SB!  Hijacking UM's thread to send the congrats, I'm sure he won't mind.
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#112: November 27, 2023, 07:16:40 AM
Just a short aside....

Had an interesting chat with D12's IC this morning (I am the one that gets the bills). I let her know that D12 is again missing lots of school due to "being ill" with  a "stomach virus" (this was the usual old complaint because no one could really verify it if she was feeling nauseous and it is MLCxW's Modus Operendi when she didn't want to do something or go somewhere) to the tune that D12 is missing on average 2 days every 2nd week so one day per week.  The IC was NOT happy and has figured out that D12 and MLCxW have been feeding her (the IC) a line and not telling her (again the IC) the real truth of what is going on. The IC was very appreciative that I gave her that information.

MLCxW will NOT be happy because it likely means that the IC will call D12 out on this and ask what is going on. It will be then on D12 to tell the IC what the story is.

I have my own personal opinion based on MLCxW's past but I keep that to myself - let's just say that this is the normal way of avoiding things for her and that includes anything that might be somewhat more difficult. I used to pick up the slack in order to be "supportive" to the extent possible but, after ABD and her D, I discovered that it was really just her (still) not dealing with her depression in any tangible form and her choices to wallow away.

It is just a shame that she is teaching both D12 and S16 the same ways of dealing with things instead of how they can be strong and resilient and STILL take part in life, even if they are not feeling 100% good all the time....
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#113: December 21, 2023, 08:25:08 AM
We recently had an article in our school district about the loss of school days and the impact it has on the kids.  Definitely not good to miss that much school. 
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#114: June 26, 2024, 03:56:27 AM
Since it has been  6 months since my last update, I figured I had better write something before I have to archive my own thread for non-use......

For me personally, it dawned on me that I am at 9 years 6 months after ABD. Gee, where does the time go?

I'm now four years in a new committed R where I quasi-inherited 3 kids, VS (Vice-Son - a German term that means basically caring for them like your own without having any formal or blood relationship)34, Vice-D-23, and Vice-S21 in addition to my D1- 33, S17 and D13.  Vice-Daughter lives with us and is getting her B. S. in Physics, VS21 is getting his Master Certificate in Watchmaking, will come back home for the summer and VS34 doesn't have a lot to do with us and is off making his own way through life. D1 is working int he US as a Graphics Layout and Design artist for a publishing company, S17 just got his final grades for the 10th grade (and I am MEGA-proud of him after he had a horrible 9th grade that he repeated out of free will due to missing so much school) and will go into the German Upper Class (In Germany, High School lasts 13 years and is culminated with the "Abitur" exam which is quite extensive and difficult).

D13 is a bit of a different story. She had significant problems starting in the fall of last year, was in a "Tagesklinik" (where they go during the day and then come home at night) for the last 3 months and was released finally on the 21st. Most of her issues appear to revolve around her being "Therapist #1" for MLCxW2 and D13 was having panic attacks if she had to be away from mom for more than a couple of hours.  MLCxW2 was and is still depressive but refuses to acknowledge it or do anything about it. S17 has basically gotten to the stage where he realizes that it is not his job to prop her up. I hope that, after the clinic stay, D13 has also gotten to that point. We'll see as the school summer holidays start here in a couple of weeks and while S17 is going n a sailing trip for 10 days, D13 is supposed to come to me. My partner, in turn, is on a 10-day tour of Ecuador so I'll have D13, Vice-D23 and Vice-S21 with me for that time. The 2 older ones are pretty much self-sufficient and Vice-D will cook for all of us once a week, usually with her BF. I just need to make sure the house doesn't burn down, is kept clean, the dog is fed and walked, and the fridge is full  ;D

My contact with MLCxW2 is limited to co-parenting at the moment. We will have a meeting with D13's new Therapist and there is a meeting scheduled with the German "Jugendamt" (a bit like CPS but not in a"coming to take your kids away" sort) in order to get some "Family Help" (primarily for MLCxW2 since the kids are there 90% of the time) in July so that will be interesting. MLCxW had already tried to pawn off the Jugendamt to a 50/50 proposition until D13's case worker told her flat out that, since D13 was with her 90% of the time, 90% of the effort would be looking at MLCxW's situation.

D13 and I have a good relationship even though D13 doesn't appreciate the fact that I have moved on in my life and have a new partner by my side. I've gotten the Ï already have a mother and don't need a second one." from D13 and I told her that I understand that and that R (my partner) is NOT trying to take MLCxW2's place but that, at the same time, R and I agree on many points and have our own set of house rules that apply to D13 as well as anyone else when they are with us. In addition, R makes suggestions that are in D13's best interests (like going out and being physically active instead of sitting around on her phone) which, of course, being a typical teenie, D13 is not all that thrilled about but D13 needs to be more physically active (her Case Worker and Therapist both said that and I expect the Jugendamt will tell MLCxW that as well). D13 is not overweight or anything but she is physically quite unfit, especially for her age. Ironically though, we walked 10 km (6.2 miles) in 2 chunks a couple of weekends ago and she (D13) was fine......

I only hear about MLCxW's life through the kids, mostly S17 when he is complaining that mom spent the weekend on the sofa "sick" again so he had to go shopping and cook..... (Note that one of MLCxW2's primary reasons for blowing up the marriage was that it was making her sick ::)  )  Other than that, I don't have a lot to do with her, except where the kids are concerned. Since I hold their health insurance, I get the bills and submit/pay them so that is about the extent of our dealings. She asks me about things like getting D13 a new phone because hers broke but that is like talking to the hand. I suggested that D13 should have a phone and NOT a smartphone but the contact possibilities with What'sApp, etc., are important at the moment as D13 begins to leave the confines of MLC-dom and becomes more socially active.... so .... it is what it is....

My R is 4 years plus and going well. COVID kind of forced our hand with the lockdown so I moved in to her place with her kids a bit faster than I would have normally done but it has all worked out. We each have our own personal trigger issues that occasionally pop up but we work through them. In fact, the fact that we do occasionally argue is quite different than my R with MLCxW2, where we never argued at all.  Since we are both approaching retirement age (me faster than R by 3 years), we have been starting to plan for the future as in where we might like to live, what kind of house or apartment to buy (you know, like accessible for old people  :o - no stairs or an elevator to the floor, if we want to have a yard, where in the country (city, suburbs or countryside) and all these kinds of things. Kind of strange at times to be thinking about this kind of stuff , especially with someone other than who I thought I'd be looking a it with but that is the way things have panned out.

So, I guess that, in a nut shell, my life now could be described as rather boring for the most part...... For my birthday, R and I took a week and went to visit parts of her family and then up tot he northern part of Germany where we intended to go on a couple of bike trips. The first day was rained out which was good because we spent several hours the night before sitting in a traffic jam on the highway (it was closed completely for 2 hours because someone was threatening to jump off a bridge into traffic) so we didn't even get into the hotel until 01:15 in the morning. The next 2 days though we managed to do a couple of 60km/35mile trips in the area avoiding the rain and then went to 2 other cities in the evening for sightseeing and dinner.  Also THIS is something MUCH different than my previous life with MLCxW2 - her idea was to go somewhere and lay on the beach and sleep and eat and that was about it. If we went to visit family, there was even less to do and a good part of the time was spent sitting in front of the TV. Now, don't get me wrong, a beach vacation can also be very nice but as I am an active person that loves to bike, hike and dive, I tend to get a little restless a few days into doing nothing.... I can do nothing just as well at home and not have to spend piles of money to go somewhere just to see a hotel, a hotel restaurant, and a beach or pool....

Work wise, my team and I are preparing for back-to-back launches of 2 satellites in September and November where I am the prime Ops Manager again and another one in May/June 2025 timeframe so there I am quite busy which beats the alternative....

So, I'll come back in another 6 months probably to update... or maybe in July after the 2 appointments in order to rant...;D  who knows...

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#115: June 26, 2024, 05:24:53 AM
Nice update UM.

I hope that D13  has been helped by her therapy. That is quite a worry....and yet still (and I have seen this in other LBS friends) the MLC parent cannot get it together enough for the sake of their kids. Herein is where I see the "pathology" of this crisis and the sad reality of the effect on our kids.


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we have been starting to plan for the future as in where we might like to live, what kind of house or apartment to buy (you know, like accessible for old people  :o - no stairs or an elevator to the floor, if we want to have a yard, where in the country (city, suburbs or countryside) and all these kinds of things. .

Don't be too quick to give up the stairs. Lots of data to explain that if you stop using stairs, you can become less able to use them;

"Seniors shouldn't avoid using stairs unless they pose a mobility risk or a doctor advises against it. Climbing stairs can provide exercise and improve overall well-being, and some studies have shown that people who regularly climb stairs have a lower risk of death from heart disease and other causes. However, seniors may need to take extra precautions when using stairs, such as: Paying attention, Taking their time, Not carrying large items, and Holding onto handrails. "

I had a knee replaced 6 years ago and continue to live in a two story house. Plan to stay here as long as I can take care of it myself.

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Kind of strange at times to be thinking about this kind of stuff , especially with someone other than who I thought I'd be looking a it with but that is the way things have panned out

It is, still after many years and I encounter many things that make me stop and consider this was not the way it was supposed to be. Not having a partner is lonely and sometimes I would like to be able to bounce ideas off someone, especially things that happen in the news, you know, everyday things.

Being retired, when one has one's health, is very different...but I find I am so busy that I don't know where I found time to work, sometimes too busy.

Stay healthy and enjoy all the beautiful moments that life has to offer.

Thanks for all you do on HS and thanks for your update!
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#116: June 26, 2024, 07:06:57 AM
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we have been starting to plan for the future as in where we might like to live, what kind of house or apartment to buy (you know, like accessible for old people  :o - no stairs or an elevator to the floor, if we want to have a yard, where in the country (city, suburbs or countryside) and all these kinds of things. .

Don't be too quick to give up the stairs. Lots of data to explain that if you stop using stairs, you can become less able to use them;

"Seniors shouldn't avoid using stairs unless they pose a mobility risk or a doctor advises against it. Climbing stairs can provide exercise and improve overall well-being, and some studies have shown that people who regularly climb stairs have a lower risk of death from heart disease and other causes. However, seniors may need to take extra precautions when using stairs, such as: Paying attention, Taking their time, Not carrying large items, and Holding onto handrails. "

I had a knee replaced 6 years ago and continue to live in a two story house. Plan to stay here as long as I can take care of it myself.

Exactly. I think R has much more concern about the stairs than I do but that is because her mom (who has rather advanced Dementia and arthritis) is confined to a wheelchair and her great aunt (who is also extremely overweight) is also confined to a wheelchair and has a stairs lift. I think she is thinking in terms of being in our 80's/90's rather than our late 50's / early 60's.

I personally ride my bike 17 km per day (minimum) commuting to work, rain, shone or snow, use the stairs at the office (I avoid the elevator like the plague although my office is on the 4th floor), take a class in Trampoline Aerobics and Step Aerobics (both of which I have 1lb /500gr weights for my wrists and ankles) weekly, and am generally very active. I fully support the "use it or loose it" theory of health and mobility....
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#117: June 26, 2024, 09:27:22 AM
Thanks for continuing to share your story Ursa. I always find it interesting to know what happened to the life of LBS who didn’t reconcile and what happened to their ex Spouses after so many years. This just show that indeed some MlCers never come out of their crisis even after so many years. I have to be honest that I somehow feel a bit of Schadenfreude that these in MLCers did not end up happy at all. Sorry just trying to be honest. On the other hand I would not wish my ex bad things. But I would feel vindicated if he suffered a bit. 🙈

Good to hear your son is doing well now. I hope your daughter will be able to manage it like your son too. I feel bad though that your son had to parent your ex. That’s too much for a child to handle.

As for you and R it seems like you two complement each other. I hope you continue to update us here.


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#118: June 26, 2024, 09:56:33 AM
I reached the opinion, albeit purely anecdotal, that the vast majority of MLCers have their fog lift at some point and they come out of their MLC, where they experience a sense of regret for destroying their lives.  9 out of 10 folks, whatever, pick a number.  All speculation, but a gut feel. 

However, a decent chunk of these folks are in the shoulder shrug camp, "I messed it up life, my life sucks now, I cant do anything to change it, my LBS probably wont take me back, I cant bring myself to do the work, I cant face my shame, and I'm now just going to live with my new life and make the best of it".  Probably 5 of the 9.

So that leaves maybe 4 out of 10 MLCers that come back and express regrets and a desire to reconnect, maybe reconcile. 

And I'm guessing 1 out of these 4 marriages end up reconciling, so we can assume this MLCer did "the work" for reconciliation to take place.

So my question is that happens to the other 3 MLCers where LBS did not take them back.  Do they also "do the work" but it wasnt enough but still end up reconnecting?  Or do they end up joining the shoulder shrug camp and not doing the work, where reconnection doesn't take place? 

No one here has that answer I know, all this is pure speculation.  But I wonder regardless.
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#119: June 26, 2024, 01:42:50 PM
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Since it has been  6 months since my last update, I figured I had better write something before I have to archive my own thread for non-use......

For me personally, it dawned on me that I am at 9 years 6 months after ABD. Gee, where does the time go?

Yes, I often find that I have little to share. I am almost non-existent on Facebook as well. I am more into enjoy the reality and not feeling the desire to share I had I just had a great meal. I do more reviews on YELP instead.

Nine years for you and fourteen years for me. Yes, time really does fly by. Except when you are in the moment of the crisis. Then is seems every day is a year. One month after bomb drop seemed like an eternity.

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I'm now four years in a new committed R where I quasi-inherited 3 kids, VS (Vice-Son - a German term that means basically caring for them like your own without having any formal or blood relationship)34, Vice-D-23, and Vice-S21 in addition to my D1- 33, S17 and D13.

It is nice to be in a healthy relationship as opposed to dysfunction. It is nice to have adult conversations or even disagreements without the world coming to an end. We are both at the stage where we are talking about retirement, places to live, and life after work.

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I had a knee replaced 6 years ago and continue to live in a two story house. Plan to stay here as long as I can take care of it myself.

I had my knee replace last year and I can climb stairs properly one step at a time with one leg. However, I am still amazed that my leg muscles are still weak. I also have to focus on my walking form. I walked poorly to compensate for the pain and now I need to walk in a correct form to help my overall alignment. It is different. It takes work and really thinking about something that I have done with automaticity for years. Which brings me to:

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I reached the opinion, albeit purely anecdotal, that the vast majority of MLCers have their fog lift at some point and they come out of their MLC, where they experience a sense of regret for destroying their lives.  9 out of 10 folks, whatever, pick a number.  All speculation, but a gut feel.

I don't know about this. I don't think many come out at all. From my viewpoint, MLC or the crisis of transition, is a huge amplification of prior issues and unresolved trauma. If those are not reflected upon and resolved, there is no coming out of the tunnel. They may feel bad for you, but they still retain all the baggage that created the crisis in the first place. My ex has apologized to me and I think regrets how things ended, but I don't think she has truly made any progress. I still sense the total lack of pragmatics and sense of reality. On the other hand, she still is an extremely creative and intelligent person.

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D13 is a bit of a different story. She had significant problems starting in the fall of last year, was in a "Tagesklinik" (where they go during the day and then come home at night) for the last 3 months and was released finally on the 21st. Most of her issues appear to revolve around her being "Therapist #1" for MLCxW2 and D13 was having panic attacks if she had to be away from mom for more than a couple of hours.  MLCxW2 was and is still depressive but refuses to acknowledge it or do anything about it.

I have the same situation but not to your extreme. My youngest (24) lives with her mom. She doesn't have issues or anxiety, but between the two, they have developed a highly co-dependent relationship. My youngest and my ex run a business together and while I am happy that she is doing her thing, it seems as if my youngest is attached to the hip with her mother. Then mom gets to keep her "baby" forever and my daughter doesn't mind being the "baby" either.

However, they do cover the bills and are not irresponsible so I don't have much to complain about. It's just a feeling.

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I have to be honest that I somehow feel a bit of Schadenfreude that these in MLCers did not end up happy at all. Sorry just trying to be honest. On the other hand I would not wish my ex bad things. But I would feel vindicated if he suffered a bit. 🙈

I too have thought a lot about this. I am sorry to say this, but we really place too much focus on the fleeting emotion of happiness. I think of the twilight zone show where the bad guy gets shot and wakes up in a place. Everything he wants comes out perfect. He wins every time he plays the slots. He can drink all the booze he wants. Every girl is his. He thinks he is in heaven. Eventually he starts to get bored and complains to the guy. "I win every time, there no excitement, no chance, no thrill. If this is heaven, I want to go to the other place." The guy looks at him and says, "Who ever told you that you were in heaven?"

So I don't think that MLCers ever find true happiness because the pursuit of happiness is like chasing the end of the rainbow. Instead, we all need to pursue the sense of fulfillment. That's why the MLCer, despite everything they do, they still feel empty. Happiness is a momentary high and it goes away quickly. Fulfillment is lasting and has far more staying power.

Just my tiny opinion and like WHY is a lot of speculation on my part.

Thanks for the post and have a fantastic day,

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