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How many of your MLCers are on antidepressants/SSRI medication

Yes started after MLC
9 (20%)
Yes started before MLC
10 (22.2%)
Do not know
4 (8.9%)
No
22 (48.9%)

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Author Topic: Discussion Antidepressants How many of your MLCers are on Anti depressants/SSRI medication?

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#30: July 08, 2010, 03:48:12 PM
My opinion is that hormones probably do play some part.  I'm not going to even think about percentages because I don't really know.  If hormones are related to mood and depression, then those changes are probably accurate.

One of my biggest questions about MLC (or even MLT) comes from examples like Lost1234's husband, or even Jim and Sally Conway (especially Sally).  Lost1234 says her husband KNEW something was wrong.  When I read "Women in Midlife Crisis", Sally indicates she KNEW something was wrong.  Even though Jim's urges and desire to run away were strong, he did not run away, nor did he have an affair.

I suppose it probably depends on the "severity" of the MLC, but I don't know how you would gauge that.  I've just wondered why some people "know" something is wrong, but others do not seem to, or at least don't verbalize it.
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Re: Antidepressants?
#31: July 08, 2010, 03:58:35 PM
I should also mention that my wife did throw in a small clue to me that she was feeling "different".  It was less than a week before "bomb drop".  I remember we were in bed, but I don't remember if it was when going to bed or when waking up.  I don't even remember the exact way she said it, but she said she felt "weird".  We talked about it for a few minutes, and she really couldn't put her finger on anything specific.

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Re: Antidepressants?
#32: July 08, 2010, 06:43:17 PM
I saw something happening within my husband too which is very hard to put words too.  Some of it was gradually since 2007 but at the end of 2008 when he was ending football season something was very wrong.  Again, I can't tell you exactly what but I actually know now that I was feeling him slip away.  THIS scared the HECK out of me and I panicked trying to reach out connect PURSUE, PURSUE.  This of course is related to my own issues which I'm starting to see and heal based on his crisis but it was scary.  I noticed this before the affair started and before bomb drop.  Lots of stuff came up from December-Feb/mar
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depression about the elderly (the hoveround commercial makes him look like he's going to vomit)
questions about marriage ( not ours in particular but the institution)
yelling at his own parents (which he never did!)
stopped helping with household stuff
yelling at our children (one time while my daughter was very sick with rotovirus and in the bathroom throwing up. )
I was so shocked by his actions/behaviors that I think I was in denial and did very little.  Finally I told him figure it out or I'm out.  He went to therapy been there for a year.  Now living with parents and doesn't think he has no problem.  The relationship is the problem or else an affair couldn't have happened?!?
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Re: Antidepressants?
#33: July 08, 2010, 10:51:54 PM
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The relationship is the problem or else an affair couldn't have happened?!?

This is a common attitude -- not just in MLC -- it means that the person having the affair shifts responsibility for it away from him/herself. 
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Re: Antidepressants?
#34: July 09, 2010, 06:28:45 AM
  The relationship is the problem or else an affair couldn't have happened?!?
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Dont know if I completely agree with this statement...all I will say...

Mlc and the lbs journey are all about YOU...whether you are going through a MLC or you are the one that has been left behind...it is ALL about YOU...

no offense intended to anyone, I was a VERY tough one to sink this into...I was the one left behind...the BEST thing I did was to distance myself, do for me and my children and out what he was or wasnt doing out of my mind as best I could...

you have no clue and neither do they on WHY they do what they do...they are not in the right frame of mind...they are confused
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2 years since he left... divorce was filed a year ago, nothing going on right now. Seems like he and OW are done...will take some more time! Seems comfortable being around me and the girls. Relaxed without her, but does not want me...or anyone else...all that matters are his daughters...

Devoted wife and mother.

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Re: Antidepressants?
#35: July 09, 2010, 06:37:14 AM
I think I might not have been clear -- it's not that I agreed with the statement, it's that it's often something they (the mlc-er or even non-mlc-er having an affair) say to justify their actions.  That doesn't make it true, but in their confusion they believe it. 

Is that more clear? 
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Re: Antidepressants?
#36: July 09, 2010, 07:24:46 AM
I was a VERY tough one to sink this into...I was the one left behind...the BEST thing I did was to distance myself, do for me and my children and out what he was or wasnt doing out of my mind as best I could...
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You have come so far!!!!!   
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#37: July 09, 2010, 08:28:01 AM
L1234 and T&L
That last comment in the above post should have been quoted.  It's my husbands reason for his state of mind.  Sorry for the misunderstanding.  This is truly what he believes.  If he didn't believe this he would have to look at himself and deal with all the buried emotions related to this.  I was and still am confident in the fact that this is NOT about the relationship.  I remind myself that I existed in this relationship too (issues/non issues and all) and did not make the same choices.  Therefore it must be about something deeper.   Whether or not he is willing to go there will determine how he uses this MLC and the support and love I have provided.  It is all about the MLCER of that I am sure and in creating their crisis they then create an opportunity or danger for the LBS.  We then become faced with the same choice in different clothing.
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Re: Antidepressants?
#38: July 09, 2010, 11:55:15 AM
TAL and Buggie,


yes, and thank you! makes more sense now! lol

Op, thank you! I HAVE come a LONG way...good to see some who recognize this of me!!
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Re: Antidepressants?
#39: July 10, 2010, 04:18:14 AM
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I do not understand why you are disagreeing with what I wrote. 
My quibble was not with the possibility that MLC could be hormonal but with your word certainly. Certainly means "certain, without a doubt" and there is a doubt here. My point was just with the word you used, not with the general premise. There is NO general consensus among the science community (the little there is that have studied this phenomena) that andropause/menpause exists.

My only fear with using certainly as a modifier is that people would take that as gospel. I am of the opinion that something chemical DOES go on with MLC. I am a biology student, after all, and have been immersed in the culture - although not full time - for a decade. My goal is to go on to some sort of doctorate program in the area of science, medicine and psychology, although not sure where just yet. I have waffled between veterinarian studies, human disease research, and animal and human nutrition (using food as a drug). Now I’m thinking of studying MLC, to be honest. It’s fascinating and there’s not much out there, we are certainly in need.

The point I was trying to get across is just that MLC MAY have a chemical component, it LIKELY DOES have a chemical component, but the science is just not clear on that yet, nor is there agreement on it. Testosterone levels, as Mermaid mentioned, do decrease rather slowly as compared to female hormones.

I have seen a marked difference in female vs male MLC on this and other boards. I am also of the opinion that if we were able, and it is probably unlikely as the microcosm I'm talking about is so very small for each individual type of MLC - but if we were able to flush out differing types of MLC, we would find out that there is a difference not only between the sexes but also between age groups. Now, since there is a very strong psychological component to MLC as well as what is likely to be a biological/physiological component, we would likely be studying this ad infinitum.

A very strong possibility exists that ADs or hormone therapy may help lessen the symptoms of MLC. It also exists the possibility that it may mask those symptoms, bury feelings and growth potential that maybe SHOULD be expressed, as painful as it is. What will happen to those who medicate a natural process of life? Will they still grown, albeit with less pain? Or will they miss out on some deep, psychological level of growth that may have made them SHINE later in life, may have completed their growth and development? (to as much of a degree that the constantly changing and growing human can be “completed” anyway)

I am concerned with the tendency to medicate everything these days. I listen to quite a few medical podcasts at work as I can’t always find time to read the journals to see what’s happening out there. I heard a doctor, an endocrine specialist, explain about a study he had read. It was on vitamin E and he said at the end, they extolled the virtues of Vitamin E, saying it did this and it did that. Then they said something along the paraphrased lines of “since Vitamin E is so advantageous to the human condition, we suggest that there is growth potential for a pharmaceutical company to develop something that will give the same benefits to us.” Does anyone not see the craziness of this culture that we find a natural substance and then want to chemicalize it and sell it back to the masses as a health promoting DRUG?

There are probably many things that will help MLC, but these men and women are doing all they can to hold on. Many are holding down jobs, at the same time as they are growing, developing, finding out who they are, trying new things, casting off the old, trying it back on again. It’s exhausting just thinking about it.

I’m not going to suggest to my husband to try any drugs because it’s my belief that this is a growth period that he MUST go through and I don’t want him to dull his senses. That’s not for everyone, and that’s fine. Some go through natural childbirth and some as for drugs. Some are in between and do some drugs and not others. Personally, I want my husband back in my life, and I believe we will get there. I KNOW we will, actually, I can feel it deep inside of me. It stinks, yes, but I am willing to wait on him to do the growth he needs to do. And I’m taking the time to grow myself. When is is closer and more out of the tunnel, I will likely sneak in some depression relieving things such as going on mtn bike rides with him again (exercise), feeding him healthy foods (nutrition), and so on.
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