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I believe my H was looking at porn when he was out of town during the week at his apt..   H was also having ED problems for about
1 1/2 years before BD.   Now I'm thinking it was because of the porn.    I've learned a lot about it and it will ruin a marriage.
I have talked to my Therapist about this and I told him what H said on BD so my question to him was, how come he can do it with OW and not me?   He told me because I was "to good" to do the type of sex these men who look at porn want to do.  He said H would never ask me to do that type of thing and then he said OW will.  You can tell just my looking at her in her pictures she will do whatever your H desires.   He wanted a ow and he got one.   I feel sick!

Boy, can I relate to this!  H was having intermittent ED issues as well and telling me he was too tired for intimacy. I then came to learn he was looking at porn, calling phone sex lines and ultimately having an affair with my long-time "friend."  At one point, he told me that having sex with me was like having the same thing for lunch every day.  OUCH.   We've been together 25 years, so not a lot of mystery.  Then he told me with an angry look and tone to match, that things would have been better if I could just see pornography as an important part of a healthy sex life. 

OW is all about the sexual talk and inneundo and will, apparently do whatever it takes.  I was no prude, but admit I am not interested in a third party being part of my sex life or H needing porn to perform.  It hurts me that he has sex with OW, but I think she is just another porn image for him--and not a particularly impressive one.

What about us?! How many LBSs don't find H's sexually attractive anymore after this mess?  I actually fear that my sex life is forever ruined as images of H and OW play in my head and wreck my libido.  It's been 19 months, people.  Is there such a thing as secondary virginity?  :(  <sigh>
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Porn makes it harder for men to perform sexually for several reasons. They get habituated to images of very young women to start with, and then they look at their wife and well hey most of us dont like that any more. There is also the novelty aspect. Different looking women every time. So when they get to the wife well it is same old, same old and they have a harder time getting aroused.

The same thing happens when they become habituated to the other woman. She is (usually) younger with fewer physical changes. Also men after a while view their wife as a business partner since we are obliged to talk to them about bills, child care, and other practical matters. So they begin to see us as there mother. This is a bad thing for sexual arousal- especially if they have a complex. In the beginning the OW can just talk to him about the one thing that interests him---him.That is until a few years down the road.

Also men at a certain age begin to have more frequent ED problems anyway, worse if they drink or smoke. Our bad luck if it happens with us...then it is "our fault". Because of the novelty of the OW he is more likely to be aroused.

I guess the moral of this story, which I had never really thought of before is that men need change. I suppose for those who still have spouses at home one could prophylaxis by changing hairstyle, clothing style etc. frequently. To late for me, mine is gone.
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Mine had a porn addiction and sought help for it back in 2004. I guess it didnt really take as i am sure he still has a problem with it. I was never up for a third party or watching porn either and I have to say that I was not a prude. We had a lot of fun for a lot of years. My h had told me that he was exposed to porn at the age of 8 by a neighbor. He had little supervision as a child. Alcoholic father and cold mother. I guess the porn soothed them or something but the problem is that it completely warps reality and they need more and more
deviant images to get the same effect. I really do pity my h because he is missing out on having a truly loving relationship. As for being attracted to my h...he is very attractive physically because he works out non stop but honestly I would be more attracted to him if he would just stop thinking about himself.  We have had sex four times since bd but it was just that, sex. Not hardly any kissing...its weird to have sex but it not be intimate at all...not very fufilling or satisfying...
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You know its funny you mention that. Me and my H had sex once after BD. I was hoping to connect with him somehow. But it was strange, very distant, not much kissing. I know exactly what you mean.
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What about us?! How many LBSs don't find H's sexually attractive anymore after this mess?  I actually fear that my sex life is forever ruined as images of H and OW play in my head and wreck my libido.  It's been 19 months, people.  Is there such a thing as secondary virginity?  :(  <sigh>
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I know you're serious, but that was funny Phoenix  ;D 
I currently have zero attraction for my H now. 
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I wanted to chime in here, not in defense of men necessarily but to clarify a few things.  First off, porn is a problem for only a small percentage of those who use it.  Most men are able to keep the fantasy women separate from the real and never compare the W to the fantasy women.  Porn can also be used to enhance a couples sex life if used to spice it up or to get ideas from.  Some women accept it and some women absolutely do not, but a respectful H will take his W's comfort level into consideration and not do things that make her uncomfortable.  It all depends on the couple.  When porn replaces intimacy or causes a problem with it, there is almost always a likely larger underlying problem (MLC, maybe?).  Porn is addictive to those that are susceptible to addictions, but blaming porn is like blaming the gun used to commit a murder. 

This was all taught to me by one of the most respected sex therapists in the state (I had him for a class in case anyone was wondering).  I can attest to having used porn to spice up our sex lives and it does work.  I hate to say it, but the therapist mentioned in the earlier post needs to do a little more research and stop inserting her personal bias.  Just my opinion.
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I wasn't blaming porn. My h has addiction problems whether it be porn or working out which has reached which has reached epic proportions. So much so that he puts it before everything. He goes to an anti aging doc who basically has him on steroids. He had always been muscular but now he is huge. Wants to compete in a body building contest. Begins conversations with how much he weighs and what he lifted today. My h suffers from low self esteem and low self worth. He grew up in an unloving and abusive home. He told me he never felt safe. He viewed porn at the age of 8. He has alot going on inside his head. I understand that. No, I'm not blaming porn but i don't find it a necessary part of life. It's very painful to be married to someone with a porn addiction. 
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My H said he "unfortunately" still gets aroused when thinking about the two of us, but reminded me that this is not our issue.

What's the issue? I don't know....

Oh, wait! He has OW! That's an issue! (Of course, I also ruined his life, I'm too controlling, he's not attracted to me, he never loved me, yada yada yada, MLC script, etc.)

He said before BD, that "whatever happens between us, the sex is something we always get right. The sex is always good."

He said that one of our friends told him once "You're a lucky man." He won't reveal who said it. Probably for the best.

He cannot bring himself to say that the sex with OW is good, but that "it's frequent."

Well, it WAS. I doubt that it IS.

He said that she gives him all the time he needs and is available a lot. (Yeah, um...while I'm taking care of the kids and washing his socks and going to work full time? Meanwhile, she is unemployed, has no kids...and a drinking problem! SEX-EH!) It's not beneath me to taunt him now--"Oh, she must be AMAZING!" Because I know she is not.

I will admit that a lot of the romance was gone. He said that he'd wanted for us to hold each other and make out and listen to music, and all that romantic stuff I never had time for. And, frankly, I wasn't feeling all that mushy for him lately. There are a lot of reasons, and I know that's a two-way road.

In the end, after BD, I had sex with him twice, both times it was good for me physically, though the last time was emotionally very painful. The first time we were both drunk and had been talking and talking over beers and vodka--he said he was sad we hadn't talked like that before he found OW. We went at it in the laundry room on the floor--it was exciting!  The second time, early one morning, I was watching a taped interview on Oprah with Rob Lowe, about what a great husband and father he is, and I was overcome with the need to be held by MY husband and the father of MY children. I was so painfully alone. So I went to his bed, which was in the living room. Our teens were still asleep in their rooms, but I was bothered by the fact that they could come out and see us at any moment. He didn't care a bit. Still, I managed to do my thing, and he his.... And he told me later it wasn't that great for him, he didn't like feeling rushed. I was so hurt and sick and insulted and rejected. And, he was hurt and angry that I'd tricked him into "cheating" on his OW, which infuriated me and freaked me out.  He was occupied by an alien by then. He had sex with her a few days later when I went to work. He had to go. She won. My heart and spirit were broken.

Just before he moved out, I tortured him all night one night, waking him up repeatedly, to point out in a furious rage all the lies, the betrayals, the hurt, the stupidity, the idiocy of what he was doing.  I was desperately trying to break him.

And I'm not proud, but I told him rather graphically what I was going to let another man do to me--all the things he and I had done together, learned together--I was going to let another man do to me and with me and I was going to do those things to and with another man. After all, H had thrown me away like a piece of trash--just simply discarded me. Another man would treasure me one day!

I may as well have told him I was going to take several breaths the next day. He could not have cared less. He was so infatuated. It's my most shameful moment, but I doubt he remembers it.

I did text him more recently that I was looking forward to dating again, and later he pointed out that this is cruel of me to say to him!  :o :o :o

Well, the door is open now. Wide open.

I always try to look my best when I know he will see me. I've lost quite a bit of weight. Early after he first moved out, when we met to sign papers, he leered at me and said, "Wow, you're REALLY looking goooood. You're getting your curves back!" And he pointed at my waist, one of his favorite body parts. I hated him. I felt he had a lot of nerve. Everyone else says I'm too thin now.

I texted him later that I was buying lots of dresses, and I look good in them, and it's too bad he won't get to hold my waist while I'm wearing them. He loves dresses--he'd texted his OW and asked her to wear a dress for him once. I never got a reply to my text.

I know it'll be a while before he's as attracted to me as he is his OW--if he EVER allows himself to be attracted to me. But I want him to know that I am attracTIVE, especially to other men who show their appreciation regularly, the men to whom he has discarded me.

His loss.

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I wanted to chime in here, not in defense of men necessarily but to clarify a few things.  First off, porn is a problem for only a small percentage of those who use it.  Most men are able to keep the fantasy women separate from the real and never compare the W to the fantasy women.  Porn can also be used to enhance a couples sex life if used to spice it up or to get ideas from.  Some women accept it and some women absolutely do not, but a respectful H will take his W's comfort level into consideration and not do things that make her uncomfortable.  It all depends on the couple.  When porn replaces intimacy or causes a problem with it, there is almost always a likely larger underlying problem (MLC, maybe?).  Porn is addictive to those that are susceptible to addictions, but blaming porn is like blaming the gun used to commit a murder.

This was all taught to me by one of the most respected sex therapists in the state (I had him for a class in case anyone was wondering).  I can attest to having used porn to spice up our sex lives and it does work.  I hate to say it, but the therapist mentioned in the earlier post needs to do a little more research and stop inserting her personal bias.  Just my opinion.

This is one aspect no one sways ME on. In fact it's a very sickening aspect; it's one of the few aspects I speak out strongly AGAINST, and I dealt with it during his MLC.

It can be a major aspect during MLC; and until the MLC'er learns to go for the REAL,(their spouse) rather than the FAKE;(the porn) they will continue to live in a fantasy world, while their lives fall apart around them.

It's WRONG, period.  You cannot do wrong, and get by; it simply isn't possible!

I strongly disagree with what I see as justification for wrong behavior, Thundarr and my view is Biblical; if you look upon a woman(whether it be porn or otherwise) with lust, you've already committed adultery in your own heart.  And don't tell me the images do not evoke LUST; I wasn't born yesterday nor in a barn.

Pornography is something that will breakdown, and cause a literal train wreck within a person's mind;  the devil gets a foothold that way; when a professed Child of God falls to that kind of temptation, they develop "chinks" or "cracks" within their armor, and the devil will come in every time.

It might start innocently enough with the porn, then eventually graduate to something worse, as sin knows NO boundaries.  Sex sells, I know this; considering the strip bars, boobie places, and other kinds of places no one has any business in.

My son faced that kind of temptation on his 21st birthday, confessed it to me, and knowing I could do nothing but advise him NOT to go that route, I prayed for wisdom; and prayed for him to make what he KNEW was a right decision.  I watched him wrestle with it, try and justify it, and even watched him get VERY angry because he KNEW it was wrong; NOT so much because I had taught him that; but, honestly,  because the Holy Spirit was pricking his conscience hard about it.

If this is not wrong to do, WHY does God prick the heart in this matter?

Our son won the battle, and is glad now that he did, because he was blessed beyond his expectations as a result.  He is unmarried, and still PURE.   As intuitive as I am, I SEE this purity that still rests upon him.   He doesn't view porn at all.  He follows the Lord in all ways; if he didn't, the Lord would NOT have His hand upon my son.

Sin separates people from the Lord every day, and the devil laughs in his corner.

Let me tell you something else; my husband was fighting a spirit of LUST when he was viewing pornography during his MLC; to try and "save" himself from adultery.  It didn't work, because the Lord allowed circumstances to catch up with him, he faced the ultimate temptation, and FAILED it; falling right into adultery.

You cannot use one sin to try and save yourself from another; it will ALL catch you every time.

 For a period of time, he'd returned to a time of his life when this type of behavior was used.  He had a porn problem when we were married, but broke it on his own at that time.  He KNEW I was uncomfortable with it; but because of his addiction both times, I paid a heavy emotional price.

He does not view it at this time in our lives, having been freed from it for a long time; the Lord helped him because he wanted to help himself.   I did my part, too; I prayed for him, and even fought for him at one point.

The Bible says you're to enjoy your wife at ALL times you're to satisfy yourself with HER breasts; NOT pictures of someone else's. (before you say it, I KNOW, she's in crisis, but still I'll make my point).  It also does NOT say to use pornography in any form to "spice" up your marriage.  When one prays on about a sexual issue within the marriage, God, indeed, has ways of assisting.  After all, He not only created marriage, but he created the sexual union itself, and it does NOT need to be perverted with that kind of filth.

 The bedroom is between the two married people, but to bring that aspect into your marriage is to invite the devil in to break up your marriage.

It's only a matter of time before the process begins.  It begins with distance, and leads to the death of the relationship.   The wages of sin is death; and this usually means emotional, because it separates you from your spouse, breaking a necessary connection, spiritual, because it separates you from the Lord, and mental, because the guilt and shame will create a great deal of confusion within you.

There is NO justification for what is clearly SINFUL behavior.

God would NOT be pleased with me in ANY form if I or my husband engaged in this type of behavior; this is NOT self condemnation, this is FACT; and I hold to a higher standard for myself in the way of my behavior/sexual conduct.....being pure and practicing PURITY within your marriage means NO adultery, NO "swinging behaviors,   NO open marriages, and certainly NO viewing of pornography.

WHY do you think people suffer from deep guilt, and shame when they view porn in secret?  This secret in time, in various other aspects destroys them mentally, emotionally, and physically.

Sin takes you farther than you ever wanted to go, and it will cost you more than you ever wanted to pay; AND, you will reap and hard, what you sow in corruption.

Porn can cause a person's expectations of their spouse in the bedroom to rise far above what it should be in the way of sexual performance/satisfaction.   The spouse becomes nothing but a sex object due to the influence of pornography...and it's not respectable behavior.

It's also the doorway toward committing adultery; when one doesn't get the satisfaction they seek from their spouse; they could begin to search elsewhere, and end up doing something they can't take back.

Their state of mind becomes "altered"; and eventually; they become so deep within the addiction; it's hard for them to break the habit.   It also indicates a true emotional problem when someone begins to prefer viewing porn to spending true quality time with their spouse.

Not to mention, it decreases a person's sensitivity for the feelings of their spouse....I should know, I was exposed to what happens when a man becomes addicted to it, and the door it opens when it becomes a habit.

In my opinion,  ALL people who develop this unsavory habit, are AFFECTED, in turn, it affects their spouse,  and it's a true "ripple effect" that occurs when sexual respect becomes lost along the way.

It's more destructive than most realize..why don't you tell these same things to the people whose marriage have ended because the porn took over their lives?   I've read and heard stories again and again; of people who started out innocently out of curiosity; then once it got a foothold, it literally took over their lives, and took on a life of its own, becoming out of control; in turn, it destroys MORE than just the person who was viewing it.

I think I've said enough, and I'll get off my soapbox now.
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Nope my h never said that he wasn't attracted to me at all. prior to bd sex was frequent/satisfying if a little frantic (because I could sense he was pulling away and I was trying to connect/stay connected..... the oxytocin thing. )then  bd and after  that there was nothing/nada/ no physical contact.

Then (and this makes me SO sad to think of) during trial sep (3 months after bd) we spent the day together and ended up kissing. all day, like teenagers and just lying in bed (no sex stuff just touch) and he said he loved me.
 
Eventually a few weekends later (still on trial sep) we ml and then he came back after trial sep end of june and h said one day  that the sex we had was what he'd always dreamed of.

over the summer sex was frequent and we worked away in a shared house (and shared room)  so ml was tricky but we sustained it. Back home (I stayed on a few days h went nome first) again during ml h said he was going to love me so much that at the end of my life I could say i'd been truly loved.
within a week it all fell apart (see my thread) . h accused me of pursuing him sexually, putting the pressure,(he said "can you imagine how that feels?") that I was out for a sexual odyssey and he'd been there done that. that this was not loves young dream anymore. and that hurt.
and now we're separated.
I think he was always attracted to me and felt horny and I saw that (as naive, young  women do but i'm 47 lol ) as meaning more.
 Over the summer I snooped texts betwixt h and EA where he was saying he'd been propositioned by someone and felt horny,(this is during trial sep before we'd ml etc) and what should he do.
 to be fair to EA she pointed out that h was still married and to hold off 'til we'd been officially separated.

makes me sad, thinking about this. : (
I loved that man.
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