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#20: August 13, 2010, 12:31:25 PM
Hi Lost,

To get the greatest benefit from the iChing, try to ask questions which help you reflect on your own attitudes and behaviour. (how can I... what attitude should I... What is the best...) The iChing is about balance within ourselves and our world. It can help us understand it as it is, and show us where it is going, but will not answer "yes" or "no". The answers are symbolic, so it's best to read them and then let your subconscious mind process them. If you need help understanding, go to this site:
http://www.psychic-revelation.com/reference/i_l/i_ching/hexagrams.html

Nevertheless, the image you have, of repairing what has been damaged, is one I have had several times. You R is damaged, and you need to understand the nature of the conflicts which undermined it. It gives you a clue: "This ruin wasn't caused by evil intention, but by indifference to decay." So things were going wrong that you hadn't noticed. There are obstacles to overcome so that the destructive cycle doesn't continue. You can only deal with those in yourself.

But you are standing, so " you are blessed with an opportunity to resuscitate that which others have abandoned as beyond repair." That means there is hope. You need to understand what attitudes YOU need in yourself "This is a time of recovery, renewal, regeneration"

I hope this helps, Lost! :)
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Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
#21: August 13, 2010, 12:40:18 PM
SITUATION ANALYSIS:

You are blessed with an opportunity to resuscitate that which others have abandoned as beyond repair.
This ruin wasn't caused by evil intention, but by indifference to decay.
Just by addressing yourself to the problem, you exhibit a new awareness, a fresh perspective.
This is a time of recovery, renewal, regeneration.

My impression:
Line 1: Pretty straightforward -- you have a chance to fix something (your R) that others (your H) have given up on.
Line 2: Your R was not maliciously damaged, but problems were neglected.
Line 3: Attempting to deal with the issues is a positive step.

There should be a section of the I Ching that deals with future events. What does that say?

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Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
#22: August 13, 2010, 12:57:36 PM
Question: How can I deal with waiting for reconciliation?

Cast Hexagram:
25 - Twenty-Five
Wu Wang / Remaining Blameless

Thunder rolls beneath Heaven, as is its nature and place:
Sage rulers aligned themselves with the changing seasons, nurturing and guiding their subjects to do the same.

Exceptional Progress if you are mindful to keep out of the way of the natural Flow.
It would be a fatal error to try to alter its course.
This is a time of Being, not Doing.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:

This is thoroughly a matter of the heart.
If everything you attempt, no matter how carefully planned, ends in disarray, then examine your motives.
They are the cause of your predicament.
It isn't that your motives aren't pure -- even the best intentions will fail under these circumstances.
What stymies you in this situation is that you have a motive at all.
Free yourself of all expectations, release any tenuous grip you may have, and roll with it.
This is totally out of your control.
There are higher powers and more elements affecting the outcome of this situation than you can imagine.
Get out of their way.

Changing Lines:
There are Two Changing Lines.
An Old Yang for Line 1
An Old Yin for Line 2
The Old Yin prevails.

Hexagram Twenty-Five/Line Two:

Plow your field for a field well-plowed, not for possible harvests.
Clear the wasteland for land well-cleared, not for potential rich fields.

Such guileless enterprise can't help but succeed.

Transformed Hexagram:
6 - Six
Sung / Conflict

The high Heavens over a yawning Deep chasm:
An expansive void where nothing can dwell.
Even though he sincerely knows he is right, the Superior Person anticipates opposition and carefully prepares for any incident.

Good fortune if your conflict results in compromise.
Misfortune if your conflict escalates to confrontation.
Seek advice.
Postpone your crossing to the far shore.

SITUATION ANALYSIS:

Conflict is a necessary part of life.
Tension upon the strings of a violin can make majestic music.
The critical mass of two hydrogen atoms trying to occupy the same space fuel the sun that nourishes our solar system.
Most conflicts you face in life are the result of your Path converging with another's.
Your Path is not his, and one Path is not necessarily more right than the other.
Can you work together to remove the blockage?
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Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
#23: August 13, 2010, 01:32:19 PM
ss...that is pretty good!
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Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
#24: August 14, 2010, 07:39:57 AM
Ok...I had to try this after reading all of yours...of course I dove right in there and asked if my H would return home...here is what I got

Cast Hexagram:

24 - Twenty-Four

Fu / Return

Thunder regenerates deep within Earth's womb:
Sage rulers recognized that the end of Earth's seasonal cycle was also the starting point of a new year and a time for dormancy.
They closed the passes at the Solstice to enforce a rest from commerce and activity.
The ruler himself did not travel.

You have passed this way before but you are not regressing.
This is progress, for the cycle now repeats itself, and this time you are aware that it truly is a cycle.
The return of old familiars is welcome.
You can be as sure of this cycle as you are that seven days bring the start of a new week.
Use this dormancy phase to plan which direction you will grow.


SITUATION ANALYSIS:

You are about to experience a rebirth -- about to be given another chance, a new lease on life.
You have persevered, gone the distance through an entire cycle -- through the Spring of hope or new passion, through a Summer of growth and building, only to be sacrificed like the archetypal Harvest King at the Autumn reaping.
You lie dormant like seed beneath Winter snows now, healing and absorbing new energies in preparation for the new young Spring coming shortly to your life.

The word cycling is what caught my eye!  H and I have been doing that since 2001.  Mermaid, SS..any thoughts????
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Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
#25: August 14, 2010, 07:56:31 AM
I decided to give this a try.

Will my husband return to our marriage?

Cast Hexagram:

25 - Twenty-Five

Wu Wang / Remaining Blameless

Thunder rolls beneath Heaven, as is its nature and place:
Sage rulers aligned themselves with the changing seasons, nurturing and guiding their subjects to do the same.

Exceptional Progress if you are mindful to keep out of the way of the natural Flow.
It would be a fatal error to try to alter its course.
This is a time of Being, not Doing.


SITUATION ANALYSIS:

This is thoroughly a matter of the heart.
If everything you attempt, no matter how carefully planned, ends in disarray, then examine your motives.
They are the cause of your predicament.
It isn't that your motives aren't pure -- even the best intentions will fail under these circumstances.
What stymies you in this situation is that you have a motive at all.
Free yourself of all expectations, release any tenuous grip you may have, and roll with it.
This is totally out of your control.
There are higher powers and more elements affecting the outcome of this situation than you can imagine.
Get out of their way.


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What I find interesting is that I, too, have felt that it is a time of just "being".
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Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
#26: August 14, 2010, 09:24:17 AM
I asked

Is H in a fog?

Yü / Enthusiasm

Thunder comes resounding out of the Earth:
Similar thunder roars up from the masses when the Superior Person strikes a chord in their hearts.

Whip up enthusiasm, rally your forces, and move boldly forward.


SITUATION ANALYSIS:

There is a rhythmic force, a world music, that lives deep in the Unconscious of each of us.
It's a primitive drumbeat, a shaking rattle, a tribal chant that invokes the primal self to rise up and join the dance.
This is the enthusiasm that is generated now.
Not rhetorical persuasion, not a play on the emotions, but a charismatic, irresistible Call of the Wild.
Confucius said that the person who could comprehend this could 'rule the world as though it were spinning in his hand.'
This is a time for instinct, not intellect -- the Thunder from Beneath.
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Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
#27: August 14, 2010, 09:34:45 AM
SR, does this make sense to you? I think your question makes this answer hard to understand.
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Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
#28: August 14, 2010, 09:42:40 AM
Mermaid,

To me it does. My question was, is H in a fog, is he seeing what he really wants to do now or not.

I read it as he could be following a charismatic, irresistible Call of the Wild, that's kind of MLC stuff to me. But of course we take out the bits that suit us to make our case!

I have not used I Ching before, but do enjoy reading ancient Chinese wisdom and have used Tarot etc quite a bit. Any system that relies on ancient well intended wisdom is always very helpful to meditate on.
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Re: The I Ching: Ancient Chinese Oracle
#29: August 14, 2010, 02:59:14 PM
I'm glad it means something to you; the person asking the question is the one who should understand the answer!!
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