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Phoenix, may I ask if those "friends" of yours were married?
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Weak, whiny and lazy, in my view. Real life isn't fantasy. Marriage and family requires work and commitment. We are not each the center of the Universe. It is normal to experience highs and lows and to have some non-exciting routines and responsibilities in life. There are more productive ways to deal with that than running and cheating. Geesh. What are we teaching, and doing to, the next generation?
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So, so true - Thank you for posting that!!
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This information really hit home with me. Not for my H and OW but a friend whose D is 28 and has just left her partner of 10 years after living together for 6 years.

She also said she needed time out to think and decide what she wanted for the future. Meanwhile BF is more attentive and caring but she continued to distance herself.

Enter an MLC man at work. He is also looking for happiness and unknown to her BF the affair was 8 months old when she started talking about having a temporary split to think. Immediately BF moved out MLC man moved in. He left his wife and children and they are totally in love, planning a wedding and babies and MLC man isn't even divorced yet! She is willing to move home and live in his city many miles away from her family.

Now here is the interesting part. Her dad had MLC and returned home 18months ago. She was the most vociferous of the children against her dad. Now she doesn't see herself as the other woman and has totally bought into the lies and deceit we see with our spouses. Her MLC man is classic and following the script. She has even used her dad to justify her going off to find happiness  :-\

My question is did her dad leaving for OW start to make his D question her life with a longterm partner and then hurl her into a pre midlife crisis?

Another observation. My D23 tells me that all her friends are very worried about getting older and constantly talk about it. When I was 23 I never thought about getting old but was out enjoying life. So are we going to see a lot more of this younger age group male and female leaving marriages and partnerships in the quest for more excitement and happiness? Is this because society  has a need for more excitement and quicker gratification for their wants, more so than when we were young and in our 20's. Young people are able to access anything from anywhere now at the push of a button. People strive for eternal youth through surgery etc. Age is seen as a negative. And so we get back to MLC territory again...............

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Phoenix, may I ask if those "friends" of yours were married?

Sadly, Anne, yes. Both women were married. Combined, both were the mothers of four of D's close friends for most of her life. And both women were married to men who were H's "good friends."  All three families were also part of the same homeschool group (that I founded ten years ago) and the same social circle of more than 30 families who were a huge, wonderful extended family that celebrated births, birthdays, holidays, vacations, etc. together. The adults had sports teams together and book clubs along with a mother-daughter book club we had been a part of D an my life for more than 9 years. We were there for each other during illness, the deaths of loved ones, life changes, etc. And then, poof!, in an instant that life was gone for D and me. Shattered is not too strong a word, Anne. How any man could troll for adultery partners within his wife's social circle is beyond me, but to go within a group sacred to D and so critical to every aspect of her life. is unfathomable. These children were the siblings she never had. These mothers and fathers were the aunts and uncles she didn't have. This was her social and support system in every way and he destroyed it for her just as she was entering her teen years. What should have been the support system we had during his MLC was torn apart at the foundation--everyone confused, hurt, embarrassed, not sure what to tell their kids so there are all kinds of half-truths and nonsense out there, trying too hard to support all parties which is very hurtful to me and D, etc. In fairness, the group only knows about one woman. The current OW who left her family and, to my knowledge, is still with H. Her H divorced her and it was final in January. Her kids now live with her half-time and my H still lives with a male colleague.

The other OW has been able to keep her secret as I chose not to destroy her family. When I found the evidence of her adultery with my H, is was 19 months after the fact. It appeared to have been shortlived, though no less excusable. It was extremely traumatic for me as it was one-year post BD and she and her family had been D's and my greatest support system. I calmly spoke to her privately, told her what I knew, told her how I felt and told her that after much thought and prayer, I was leaving all the baggage of the lies and betrayal with her. She could deal with that deceit within her own heart and family as I couldn't see how it really benefitted her child or H to destroy their lives and family as mine had been. I told her I was giving her the grace, she and OW were incapable of giving me and I walked away for good.  It has been very hard, because her H and I were very close friends. He has no idea what happened as he would not expect this of her in a million years. I'm sure she told him something untrue to cover her tracks. I know she has told mutual friends that I am "paranoid" and now think other women in my group cheated with my H (to give herself an "out" if I ever talk).  But no matter. I have remained silent and am allowing the universe to do with her and the sitch what it will. I have very mixed feelings like I have been disloyal to her H in keeping this from him. But from conversations he and I had after my BD, I feel strongly that he would rather not know as long as it is over. These betrayals by spouses are killers, but the additional betrayal of ourselves and our children by men and women we thought of as sisters or brothers and our children trusted like second parents, is a devastation all its own that I wish on no one.

To give some insight about who OW are. In my case, they appeared to be bright, funny, upstanding soccer mom types who adored their families and cared deeply for their friends. One is also a successful academic. It has made it very difficult at times to see these as "affairs down." However, outward appearances are often deceiving. The latter went through terrible trauma as a child when she learned that her parents were both having an affair with her best friend's parents--the next door neighbors. Yep, for years, the parents swapped partners secretly. Eventually, her parents stayed together, but it really messed with her head. She went on to marry too young and almost killed herself when that relationship ended. This is now her second and longest marriage and the one that produced a child.  The other and current OW came from an abusive household. Her mother fled in the night with her from a violent father who also became cocaine addicted (as part of a wealthy businessman partying crowd). He had woman after woman and abandoned his daughter. Her mother had a revolving door of men as well.  So we see how the sins of the parents visit themselves upon the psyche and development of the child and leave them always searching for ways to fill the void even if it means doing to others what was so painful to them. How naive to think they would find happiness with my equally screwed up H who was undoubtedly vibrating at a very similar (LOW) level as they were.

Ironically, my father did this same MLC number on my mother, sisters and me when I was 11, and disappeared. Notice how I did not follow the path of these Other Women? The difference, I believe, is the stability I grew up with despite my father's absence, the unfailing faith and spiritual connection my mother has, her exemplary role modeling and integrity, and the other strong moral people I had around me. So we cannot lose faith that our children can come out of this more whole than these sad examples.

Sorry for such a long answer, Anne!  :)
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We are also teaching the next generation that it is ok to be faithless, to lack character, and to abandon those we love.  Vows mean nothing and our own happiness is paramount even when pursuing it destroys the lives of our children and spouse.

What society has become makes me sick and the church for the most part has just gone along with it.  The United States is looking more and more like Sodom and Gomorrah and we will reap what we have sown.

The article Thundarr posted is just one aspect( or maybe by-product would be a better word) of the lack of total morality that has permeated our society.  May God have mercy on us.
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My two cents worth... women were very suppressed second class citizens until the women's movement gaines ground in the 1970's.... with that, the pendulum swung wildly from oppression to the idea that women could and would "do it all" without the help or input of MEN. This is what my Mother's generation implied, if not taught us.... not only that, but THEIR Mother's were telling them to "have your OWN money, in case your husband cheats or runs off..." which was NOT bad advice, but the church and tv version of families made no room for "running off" though it happened enough, and women and children suffered.

We have had a generation or two of Cosmopolitan magazine... a rag that prepares women to be "liberated" stalkers, LOL!! In the search for equality, EQUILIBRIUM... as WELL as true balance and equality was lost in the guise of "CONTROL over your destiny..." and boy did I learn my lessons well!! Men and women no longer know HOW to communicate OR to commit.... people feel ENTITLED to NEVER FEEL PAIN and to ALWAYS be "happy"!!! We have been fed the propaganda of "Divorce can be good.... the kids are resilient!!" for over 20 years!! It's all a bit fat LIE, BUT, a lot of US, not to mention the 20 and thirty somethings of today GREW UP IN A DIVORCED HOME!! They do NOT have a comparison for their lives.... they had NO choice!! Granted, not every marriage is made in heaven, should be saved, or is best for the family.... BUT, people no longer have role models for marriage and commitment!! There are no articles asking elders "was every year of your 50 year marriage FUN????" No... it's all about "How did you manage to stay married for so long...." and they always say "We were COMMITTED!!!".

Oh, my..... this my soapbox issue. Sorry!!
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Okay, here's my take on the book after reading it and giving it some thought (didn't take much, though).

For one, the "research" that woman does is confounded from the get-go as she states that she is looking to find someone who feels as she does.  The fact that she finds so many who feel the same way should not be a surprise to anyone as it's human nature to agree and also to seek out those with the same viewpoints.  This is especially true if you feel guilty about something you're doing (ring any bells here?).

Secondly, the sampling size of the respondents is way, way, way too small to be representative of the general population.  She interviewed 122 women and 78 men?  A whopping 200 peope in which to make a generalization about society as a whole?  And one would have to question how she went about choosing who to question and where she found them.  If you were to poll 200 people at a Yankees game then you would probably find that Joe Torre was the best manager in baseball history and that Boston sucks.  Really representative of society as a whole there.

Third, the manner in which she gathered her "research" was a confound in and of itself as she told the people she questioned they would remain anonymous, but by definition of asking them face to face their anonymity was blown (to her at least).  Any kind of reliable research would have involved a written self-report questionnaire with blind submissions and no identifying factors. 

I could go on and on, but the end result is that anyone who has actually done research and/ or had to study journals and research articles (and believe me, I've had my share) would instantly recognize this as self-serving drivel.  This woman is looking for justfication for herself and coming to the conclusion that society oppresses female sexuality and that causes women to cheat.  Too many blatant assumptions and outright fabrications to warrant any type of serious consideration.

Do yourself a favor and delete after reading, if you waste even that much of your life.  I'll never get that hour back.

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Phoenix, Thank you so much for your reply and for sharing your situation. I cannot imagine what you have been going through. OW1 was an acquaintance from our cultural circle but she was not a friend, let alone a best/close friend. She lived hundreds of quilometers away and would be on the big city like each 3 or 4 months. Until she and husband got public and she starting turning up every week. But except once, I never saw them in any social function I attended.

We do not have children so nothing similar from what you have to face happened.

I always find it weird that married women can discart their children, marriage, husband for a man that has leaved his own wife, children marriage.

LG, I think you are right about the one or two Cosmopolitan generations. Add to that all the lads magazines that have been coming up in the past couple decades and we are in perfect “damn marriage and hard times” territory.

justasking, when I was 23 it has never occurred to me to be worried about getting old. There was life to be lived. Age is seen as negative in western society. We have the cult of youth and it is leading us to absurd things. However, this young people that worry about age at 23 are our kids, and our friends kids. What sort of people have we been raising? I think we need to think about it. 

As for your friends D28 not sure if she was hurled into a MLC. Not all people that break with their partner are in pre midlife crisis or MLC. Funny how they never see themselves as the OW/OM…and how they always have the feeling things are going to be different with them. I have no idea why a 28 years old woman, with a long term partner, would prefer a married man that have left his wife and kids…

Maybe people end up repeating the most negative thing their parents have done. Maybe the more they were against a certain behaviour of their parents the more they end up repeating it.?...

My FIL always had other women since he was in his early 20’s. When I meet my husband, then boyfriend, FIL had a permanent OW. She had been around for a few years when we meet, she remained around until 2 years ago. FIL divorced MIL some 10 years ago, after he already been living with OW for years.

Husband totally disapprove of his dad behaviour, was deeply hurt by FIL ways and always said he would never, ever, done the same. That he would never got another woman. He did. Albeit only in MLC.

Thundarr, thanks for your share on the book. It really does not seem to have been done with a very scientific research approach. 
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Well that kind of rings true to me. Not for my W in her late 20s when we got together, but certainly in the lead up to BD.

The women here can view this anyway they wish, but we men are put in a very difficult position in my opinion. Women, initially at least, want us to be everything to them - friend, lover, soul-mate, husband, father, life-companion. There are the stereotypical complaints that men can't cut it in long-term relationships and by implication that women are the only ones that can do long-term relationships.

But what happens when the woman gets the man of her dreams - who ticks all those boxes -  has the white wedding, gets the beautiful home, the children and still isn't satisfied or content (or as the author puts it: they feel they should be happier)? Resentment, bitterness and MLC, that's what happens. Yes, the sex drive dive bombs (especially after children), boredom with domesticity and responsibilities, difficulty accepting aging and body changes (if only women would accept that their husbands love them the way they are!). My W was certainly 'awakened' by her EA with the ex-bf from 30 years ago. It wasn't physical but the text messaging was definitely along the lines of, "he's my soul-mate, maybe I made the wrong choice all those years ago, he might just be the answer, he makes me feel wanted, etc, etc, blah, blah..."

Just my two penneth.
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