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#70: September 22, 2012, 07:43:45 AM
  Bipolar people take lithium. My first boyfriend turned bipolar. I think he was doing cocaine before it happened. The MDs put the patients on lithium bc they are deficient.
  His depressive episodes were quiet, cavelike slumbers and then happy running around wild eyed partying. MAJOR SWINGS IN MOOD! :o :o
  My MLCer is depressed...covering it up for the world...but not really..sad puppy eyes. His highs are not manic just a mask of 'everything's fine' and that smile that never reaches their eyes.
  The bipolar I knew was quiet about his condition and not hateful or spewing. Just sad and quiet or happy and wildly oblivious! ;D  It shows at a younger age usually. MLC seems more further down the road.
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#71: September 22, 2012, 10:54:07 AM
The depression is only one portion of this disorder.
Even the people taking antidepressants, or hormone supplements are not cured of MLC.
There are no pills that you can take to FIX this.

Because besides the depression, hormones and childhood issues then there is a triggering event.

All part of the perfect storm.
You can not make your children grow up by giving them a pill.
Out MLC'er must finish growing up too.

That is why they give you the GIFT of TIME so they can use it to finish their crisis.
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#72: September 22, 2012, 11:19:50 AM
Thundarr,

This is an excellent thread, I am reading and re-reading everything that has been written / asked.  Really thought provoking and is filling some knowledge gaps for me.

TheHeartKnows,

I totally agree in terms of this Site being on the frontline of changing Society's understanding and acceptance of MLC as a dis-ease.  I hope for our children's sake and future generations that this will result in accurate diagnosis and real support for all who fall prey to MLC.

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Re: MLC from an Expert's Perspective - Ver. 2.0
#73: September 22, 2012, 11:21:15 AM
I feel the more I post, the more invisible I become. Is that and MLC thing? Thundarr?

Anyway, my neurosis aside, I had an interesting "interview" with H-pyre last night. We went out to dinner.
I started a conversation about this idea:

His explanation was that issues were always fluid and never truly resolved OR unresolved as the impact of their presence will vary across different settings and circumstances.  There is no way to measure that an issue will have no psychological impact.

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We commonly refer to not resolving the crisis of a particular stage and revisiting it later in order to resolve said crisis.  His assertion is that it is IMPOSSIBLE to not resolve the crisis of a stage that you are moving through.  Also, each stage is affected by how the ones before it were resolved and each of them continue on until death.

And I went so far as to say I thought of a march of identity transformations in a line originally, which is rather two or three dimensional,  (length is two dimensions, time would add a third, maybe there is depth so let's just say 4 dimensional) But then now I think it more apt considering the ideas here to think of it as that multi-level chess game...multi-dimensional...not linear. Cyclical perhaps, where a previously visited resolution is re-visited in combination with a current one...and the person does not progress in a linear fashion whatsoever but re-accumulates new and old experiences.

Well, regardless of whether I made sense, my H started talking about the guy who talks to himself on the bus. He was using this guy as a way of talking about himself as an MLCer. This guy, he says, may seem socially unacceptable, or exhibiting socially unacceptable behavior, but is he really hurting anyone? (This, Thundarr, is sort of like that Functional Alcoholic idea...if the guy is able to get from point A to point B, who cares how drunk he is while he does it? right?). He said that it should be irrelevant how much society approves or disapproves of the [schizophrenic-type] behavior. I said EVEN if when you follow hiim home you find yourself in a horder's nest, and he can't even feed himself?

That got H off into a new example: His mother. Now his mother at the moment is pursuing a lawsuit against the Federal Government. Her father-in-law died of throat cancer (probably due to smoking) but he used to work in a nuclear facility in Tennessee. Everyone who ever worked there was awarded some large sum of money as part of a class-action lawsuit or something, and if they were dead, the money went to their next of kin. Even though her husband's brother received this money, she is trying to prove that she deserves the money as the spouse of the victim's deceased son. (Her husband, my H's father, was dead when the money was distributed). As a result of her impossible pursuit, her entire living room is covered with papers, piles of papers, every room in the house in fact, and has been for years. She is no closer to resolving this issue for her self or the government than she was when she started. But she does it, my H contends, as part of a way of processing pain that is right for her. She is not hurting anyway, so why intervene? Why would she need medication? Why would she need therapy? This is her therapy. My husband's brother disagrees and believes a family intervention is needed.

Again this is an example that was used by my H as another way to talk about his MLC. He is not really sick, he doesn't really have a disease, he is functional. And, he is adamant, he is not hurting anyone else. This is just his way of processing, and he has to do it, because it's right for him.

I can't argue. I can only detach. And oddly, I got a sense that maybe, JUST MAYBE, one day, he will come home.

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#74: September 22, 2012, 03:48:16 PM
UP.  At least your h is recognizing something isn't 'usual' with him.  Mine just thinks he's a guy who's fallen in love.
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#75: September 22, 2012, 03:57:21 PM
CJ,

Yes, I found myself with mouth a-gape, almost, when I realized what he was saying...For a few minutes at least.
But..it's not that simple with him. He is a master manipulator. He is a lawyer. He is VERY intelligent. MLC makes him into a stupid a** but doesn't actually do anything to his capacity for manipulation. So he is basically dropping little crumbs to lead me to the idea that he is just processing this, and once processed he will be fine...and so I can just keep hanging around, coming over, going to dinner, cuddling, sleeping over, whatever, and it will all be fine eventually. Except that he could also be totally full of it. And just wants continual cake eating...and wants a free ticket to behave like an irresponsible lunatic.

At least your H-ster is not saying "Hey, I am acting like a nut, but I have every right to, and I am not hurting anyone at all, or if I am it doesn't matter".

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#76: September 22, 2012, 04:59:58 PM
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MLC makes him into a stupid a** but doesn't actually do anything to his capacity for manipulation.

UP - I know what you're saying, but I actually have to disagree.  I think MLC does do something for their capacity for manipulation.  Whatever their rating was pre-crisis, I would multiply that by the power of 100  :P
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#77: September 22, 2012, 05:12:11 PM
kikki, you are absolutely right. my mistake!
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#78: September 22, 2012, 05:25:00 PM
UP - I know what you're saying, but I actually have to disagree.  I think MLC does do something for their capacity for manipulation.  Whatever their rating was pre-crisis, I would multiply that by the power of 100  :P
Beware!

Wonder if that capacity will remain post-crisis... The funny thing is they can manupulate but they are being manipulaed big time by OW/OM. Sounds like fun!  ;D ;D ;D ;D
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#79: September 22, 2012, 07:00:06 PM
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Wonder if that capacity will remain post-crisis... The funny thing is they can manupulate but they are being manipulaed big time by OW/OM. Sounds like fun!     
Eeeewh!  Imagine having a 'relationship' like that  :-\
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