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#90: February 22, 2014, 05:59:34 AM

This passage in the above website helped me to realize what I've known all along.
And now that he's had the $h!te scared out of him MAYBE he'll leave me ALONE!


You being you, all of you, uncensored, is a frightening and horrifying monster to a Narcissist. Because you are being real, and real people scare the $h!te out of Narcissists.

They are not being real, they know that they are not being real, even if most of that knowledge is buried in their subconscious and they think that they are very real.

They think everyone else is as fake as they are, in fact they think others are more fake than they are. They are their reference point for the world. They can’t express genuine emotions, or voice their real thoughts, and they apply this to others.

 They don’t actually know how to be real, and the very thought of it scares them. So when you are real and genuine, it stirs up the real person buried deep within them, and they live in fear of their real self because they don’t know who their real self is, it is unknown, and the fear of the unknown chills them to the marrow.

 This fear of their real self is the spur which governs their entire life, and all of their subsequent behaviour is an attempt to escape and kill this real self off, and replace it with an idealised self of their own creation.

The ultimate lesson and gift that a relationship with a Narcissist gives you is this… Be yourself, all of you.

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Don't ask why someone is still hurting you; ask why you keep letting them.What you allow continues.

At some point you have to get sick of going through the same sh!t.

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Re: Narcissists- article
#91: February 22, 2014, 07:27:39 AM
I think the passage that in it posted here is absolutely true of anyone who has a PD.

My h has let slip once or twice thAt he envies me being myself warts and all, but I know he fears and hides who he really is, thinks no one will like what lies beneath. If what lies beneath is what I have seen for past 5 years then he is absolutely right !!

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Re: Narcissists- article
#92: February 22, 2014, 08:05:54 AM
My h's OW is a narcissist, she ticks 16 of the 18 red flags. She also asked me whether I'd be so threatened if she wasn't so pretty Lol....

Heaven help me if H is a narcissist as well, although could make for an interesting relationship between the two of them ;)
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Re: Narcissists- article
#93: February 22, 2014, 12:04:21 PM
Technically if he is?  It should burn out REALLY FAST.

 They will slather each other with praise and admiration and then the selfishness kicks in on both ends. One accuses the other of not "thinking about them" or whatever - the $h!te hits the fan.

Two selfish, self centered, self absorbed, people cannot hold a relationship together.
He might be a "giver" for a while as he doesn't want to be "WRONG" about this. He might just hang on a lot longer than he should.

Depends on how stupid and stubborn he is.

And I hope you aren't responding to whatever way she's communicating with you Ceri
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Don't ask why someone is still hurting you; ask why you keep letting them.What you allow continues.

At some point you have to get sick of going through the same sh!t.

Women are NOT rehabilitation centers for badly raised men. It is not your job to fix ,parent, raise or change him.
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Re: Narcissists- article
#94: February 22, 2014, 12:56:33 PM
I read this wonderful article about the Midlife Narcissist, don't know if it is already posted on here.....it is from www.won forum.blogspot.com:-


What does decompensation mean?

“Worsening psychiatric condition: the deterioration of existing psychological defenses in a patient already exhibiting pathological behavior.”

Decompensation is a removal of the props (ego defenses) sustaining an inflated self-esteem that was unable to 'compensate' for an injury of some kind. In other words, decompensation occurs when the narcissist’s grandiosity is not validated by reality; their self image is impossible to sustain. At midlife, with all the struggles human beings have, narcissists have feelings of hopelessness, inadequacy, desperation, and confusion. Feelings they cannot tolerate, nor process.
Midlife taxes narcissistic defenses, challenging aging individuals to mature. People with 'undeveloped narcissistic traits' will suffer, perhaps even  experience a crisis. That doesn't mean they can't grow and develop. Heinz Kohut suggests maturation is a lifelong process developing immature aspects of ourselves. That's the current thinking about a 'normal' person's midlife transition.

Then, there's the midlife narcissist. The Tragic man. The collapsible man. The man who appeared to be a shark, suddenly turning into a jelly fish. Or the goldfish turning into a shark.
Anyone who witnessed the ‘collapsible man’ (or woman), has been stunned by allegations that we were the ones who were ‘deficient, controlling, smothering, incompetent’ or any of the traits narcissists project onto other people.
The midlife narcissist is someone who cannot swallow his pride and as a result, vomits on the person closest to him or her. That would be the partner who for years, supported them through thick-and-thin, becoming increasingly weary of the narcissist’s incessant demands. It’s not that we lack empathy or become indifferent (though some do, it depends on the relationship), we are tired. Maybe there's a furrowed brow setting off the narcissist's crisis---maybe our individuation triggers their fears of abandonment or their envy. I don't know. What I do know is that partners are splattered with traits and behaviors the narcissist cannot claim as his or her own.

I started writing about narcissism on the Midlilfe Crisis forum back in 2003, after learning about a disorder called NPD (Narcissistic Personality Disorder). I had hoped my partner would work through his problems losing control, losing status, becoming another ordinary cog in the wheel of life; that he would eventually realize that escaping reality was less enjoyable than embracing it. That he would wake up one morning with a strange woman in his bed and recognize how much he loved and valued his family. That even if his wife was too weird for words, his children needed him. This did not happen. If the midlife narcissist has not shown signs of taking responsibility for behavior that hurts the people who loved and supported him for years, he likely won’t. He’s likely unable to face the destruction he caused, if he even realizes it (or is capable of bearing the truth long enough to see that HE is his biggest problem. Not the role he played in the family, nor the prickly personalities of family members).

It is never easy to tolerate the Walk of Shame when a person makes a mess of their lives. It’s painful processing ‘humiliation’ into ‘humility’ no matter where you are on the narcissistic continuum. If your unstable self-esteem is threatened by your mistakes and errors,  self-deception may appear to be an easier way out. Instead of falling into supine reflection on human weakness, narcissists become  grandiose, other-blaming and arrogant.
The ability to face disappointment and accept other people's willingness to forgive your mistakes is not something narcissists are capable of doing. Anytime we are forgiven by others, we surrender our power to BE FORGIVEN by  another person holding the power To Forgive. They will or they won't---their forgiveness is not in our control. This is an untenable situation for a narcissist who must maintain the perception of superiority, especially if he or she sees other people as inferiors. Imagine a peon forgiving The King? Instead of appreciating someone's willingness to even consider forgiveness (which may be a long term process), the narcissist projects fault and blame others and thus, exculpating himself from guilt and remorse. What's to forgive? His malicious wife intentionally bought the wrong type of lettuce for gawd's sake what else can a man do but seek comfort from the Ms. Radicchio?

The midlife crisis with all the accompanying destruction people do to their lives when the Inner Child (or Inner Adolescent) is given free reign to act impulsively, selfishly and without consideration for others, is very hard to resolve. Depending on the degree of narcissism, the person-having-a-midlife-crisis may NOT be able to face themselves after losing ‘face’ in their community.
It takes a strong foundation of self and self-worth to admit to having harmed people you cared about because you were behaving like an petulant child. Still, people are able to reconcile wounded relationships--both parties willing. My assumption was that everyone would do whatever they must to clean up the messes they made at midlife when our human limitations stick out like sore thumbs and mortality becomes a certainty. I was wrong.


A narcissistic injury may precede the midlife narcissist’s decompensation
My partner had suffered a major insult at work. His Star Status was sullied; any idea that he would be the next CEO was shattered. His impulsivity had undermined his career plans because finally, people were unwilling to excuse his rash behavior. As others have also mentioned, my spouse was involved in a sexual harassment suit which never went anywhere. Still, the threat was there as a constant reminder of his limitations. Those darn corporations! Imagine not being able to pat your secretary's ass!

The biggest threat though, was the damage his behavior did to his family's perceptions of him as a New-Age Fabulous Man who really ‘got’ women’s predicament in the workplace.

After his ‘breakdown’ at work, verbally abusing his boss (whoa…not a great career move, there buddy!), he lost his position in the company and was granted paid leave to get himself together. Now wouldn’t you think  an out-of-control person would avail themselves of psychotherapy? Wouldn’t you think  a chagrined person would be grateful to a company that didn’t just FIRE his arse, but valued him enough to provide support and time while he got himself back together?

That’s not what happened, however. He was not grateful. He was resentful. I don’t believe he had the capacity to process humiliation into humility. His anger increased, becoming a frightening rage at times, so furious was he at institutions; i.e.: corporations, religions, even marriage. I tried my best to encourage him to get professional help rather than rely on me. But he wouldn’t. He refused. He preferred sitting by a stream and contemplating like Siddhartha in spandex. As if the thinking that got him in this mess would get him out of the mess.

He became more and more depressed, that much was obvious and his personality changed. He was distant and desperate, the sense of ‘rage’ beneath his smile. I was unprepared for what was to come later: I became the mother of all evils, the woman he feared would kill him, the person he saw as manipulative, hateful, and abusive. Which is preposterous. His allegations were so preposterous in fact, they kept me from internalizing his projections.

My concern for people writing about the midlife crisis is minimizing the danger of a partner who flips reality backwards and sees other people as ‘threats’ to the narcissist’s survival. For a narcissist you see, the False Self is the only self they know. When the False Self is exposed (decompensation of defensive mechanisms), it is life-threatening to a narcissist. If there is no False Self, there is no one inside…just a big dark abyss of bottomless rage and fear. He is not a superior being. Just an ordinary maN without his mask.

So when a partner confronts the midlife narcissist’s failures, she might as well be pointing a machine gun in his face. That is how he perceives his loss of ‘status’ in her eyes. It IS life-threatening to him.

Forgiveness? Yea, you are likely willing to forgive. Understanding? Yea, you are likely to understand. But narcissists need to maintain control and superiority, so your forgiveness and understanding are threats to their dominance. I remember saying to my husband, “Whatever has passed, has passed. I forgive you.” And instead of tears and gratitude he ranted, “Forgive me? I should be forgiving YOU. And I don’t!”

Bizarre. Reality turned backwards. Sadly, the people who are closest to the narcissist are the ones they hurt, destroying the relationship permanently. Would that they destroyed the False Self instead. 
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Re: Narcissists- article
#95: February 22, 2014, 04:29:29 PM
A  lot of this was something I could identify closely with. I do believe when you finally zero in on what you may really be dealing with it becomes easier to LET GO.

This is no "phase" or crisis he's going through. This is him at his deepest darkest abyss.

He has annihilated any possible relationship with me that's for sure. I have no need, want, or desire for someone like this in my life.
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There are two ways of spreading light:
Be the candle; or the mirror that reflects it

Don't ask why someone is still hurting you; ask why you keep letting them.What you allow continues.

At some point you have to get sick of going through the same sh!t.

Women are NOT rehabilitation centers for badly raised men. It is not your job to fix ,parent, raise or change him.
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Narcissism, Articles, Way to Deal With
#96: June 12, 2014, 07:33:27 AM
This is a fascinating article.  Not totally related to MLC for most people here.  But, my personal view is that MLC is personality disorder decompensation.  And I have a friend who has given me an extreme interest in autism.  The rate of divorce in couples with autistics is somewhat high, and part of me now wonders how much of that has to do with a possible inability to empathize and be there for their kids... 

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/resolution-not-conflict/201406/do-you-think-narcissism-autistic-spectrum-disorder
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Re: Narcissism, the last stop before autism...
#97: June 12, 2014, 10:24:15 AM
Hi LL!!  I had noticed this trend as well both here and in my practice.  Recent research suggests that autism passes down from the mother in most cases, and an overwhelming number of male LBSes I know have autistic children so there MAY be some connection.  I'll read through the article when I get home as I don't have time to digest it at work here, but thanks for posting this!
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Re: Narcissism, the last stop before autism...
#98: June 12, 2014, 10:50:27 AM
Thundarr, you may be able to confirm this, but I work with the eduction department and often come across teachers who  "behave in appropriately" and one of the senior people I work with described more than just a few of them as being "on the spectrum". Most of the time it was relationship issues  with both staff and children.

I would bet my bottom that my h is somewhere on that spectrum.

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Re: Narcissism, the last stop before autism...
#99: June 12, 2014, 11:28:12 AM
Sorry - not convinced by that article at all.

There may be similarities and indeed all personalities have to be on a spectrum.

However I currently teach a couple of students who have aspergers and that is demonstrated in very different ways. I have taught others all of whom were very different in their manifestations.
I have a friend whose son is so autistic that she had to put him into residential care where he now lives.
I have a second friend whose son has been recently diagnosed and her life turned upside down and her son very different from the first.

I think it rather sweeping to make the narcisstic/autistic connection definitive although I agree that there are traits that would seem similar and lie on the personality "spectrum" but next to a whole host of others.

Just my personal opinion and observations based on 30 yrs teaching
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