[Albatross]

About the Red Book, Jung said:

"The years… when I pursued the inner images, were the most important time of my life. Everything else is to be derived from this. It began at that time, and the later details hardly matter anymore. My entire life consisted in elaborating what had burst forth from the unconscious and flooded me like an enigmatic stream and threatened to break me. That was the stuff and material for more than only one life. Everything later was merely the outer classification, scientific elaboration, and the integration into life. But the numinous beginning, which contained everything, was then."

Red Book is also known as "Liber Novus" (The New Book).

[OldPilot]

http://mlcforum.theherosspouse.com/index.php?topic=400.msg18566#msg18566

Above is the link from our site, I see that I edited this with HB's permission/direction.
Maybe that part was taken out of our version, I now can not remember.
I will go back and re-read some of my PM's and see if I can figure it out.

Thanks for finding that Limitless.

OP posted:

And back to the point about REPLAY and bomb drop, there is a post from Heartblessings that I need to find that says, bomb drop occurs around 2/3 of the way through REPLAY.
Of course Replay is so long it still makes it hard to believe.

I remember reading this information on this site...but cannot find it.

I found it on the Divorce Busting Site:
http://www.divorcebusting.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=96192&page=1

The importance of establishing a "Time-Line"

Establishing a "time-line" is more to help you determine a POSSIBLE time-frame-how long you may expect to be in HIS/HER MLC. It is more for something to hold onto and helps you keep your hope and faith--and a possible end in sight-light at the end of the tunnel...etc.

If you will look back in hind-sight the SIGNS were there, not just of affairs and such, and but the definite signs of when he/she entered the tunnel.

That helps you establish the beginning-because the "bomb" dropping WAS NOT the beginning-it began WAY before then.

The onset of the "bomb" or "full-blown" stage of MLC, CAN mark a possible HALF OR THREE-QUARTER-WAY POINT OR SOMEWHERE CLOSE TO THE "AWAKENING" OF THE MLC'ER-AND HOPEFULLY GETTING READY TO COME OUT OF THE TUNNEL INTO ACCEPTANCE.

Depends on them, and how willing they are to face their issues once they "awaken". Every MLC'er that gets ready to come out, experiences this "awakening". And what I have described concerning the journey into Acceptance, comes AFTER this "awakening."

And if you look backwards you WILL see when it started. Now, according to Jim Conway, a MLC takes 3-5 years maybe longer to play out-if you look closely, establishing the beginning of this, and see where you are now-only THEN will you have ANY idea of just how long this may take.

I don't know about the 1/2 to 3/4 timeline.  There are many long timers on this site that would not agree with that estimate.  (HB did state it as Possible - not definite).

L

[Albatross]

Consciousness is the quality or state of being aware of an external object or something within oneself.
The unconscious mind (or the unconscious) consists of the processes in the mind that occur automatically and are not available to introspection, and include thought processes, memory, affect, and motivation.
The psyche is the totality of the human mind, conscious, and unconscious. Jung called psyche Self.
The persona, for Swiss psychologist Carl Jung, was the social face the individual presented to the world—"a kind of mask, designed on the one hand to make a definite impression upon others, and on the other to conceal the true nature of the individual".
Contrary to a Freudian conceptualization of shadow, therefore, the Jungian shadow often refers to all that lies outside the light of consciousness, and may be positive or negative.

[PatienceGalore]

Cool! Am going to start reading more on this. My question, should we talk to them about this, or would this seem like control and trying to fix? It would be great to be able to have this discussion with them, for ourselves and them?

[Albatross]

Cool! Am going to start reading more on this. My question, should we talk to them about this, or would this seem like control and trying to fix? It would be great to be able to have this discussion with them, for ourselves and them?

It is their journey. They have to go on that long path alone. Nobody can help them beside themselves.

[OldPilot]

Cool! Am going to start reading more on this. My question, should we talk to them about this, or would this seem like control and trying to fix? It would be great to be able to have this discussion with them, for ourselves and them?

It is their journey. They have to go on that long path alone. Nobody can help them beside themselves.

EXACTLY - best to keep your mouth closed and eyes and ears open!

[in it]

They aren't going to listen anyway. It's hard to believe. But it's true.

[PatienceGalore]

Albatross, OP and IT, thanks...it's just sooooo tempting to do so, but I won't, promise!

[panda]

OP posted:

And back to the point about REPLAY and bomb drop, there is a post from Heartblessings that I need to find that says, bomb drop occurs around 2/3 of the way through REPLAY.
Of course Replay is so long it still makes it hard to believe.

I remember reading this information on this site...but cannot find it.

I found it on the Divorce Busting Site:
http://www.divorcebusting.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=96192&page=1

The importance of establishing a "Time-Line"

Establishing a "time-line" is more to help you determine a POSSIBLE time-frame-how long you may expect to be in HIS/HER MLC. It is more for something to hold onto and helps you keep your hope and faith--and a possible end in sight-light at the end of the tunnel...etc.

If you will look back in hind-sight the SIGNS were there, not just of affairs and such, and but the definite signs of when he/she entered the tunnel.

That helps you establish the beginning-because the "bomb" dropping WAS NOT the beginning-it began WAY before then.

The onset of the "bomb" or "full-blown" stage of MLC, CAN mark a possible HALF OR THREE-QUARTER-WAY POINT OR SOMEWHERE CLOSE TO THE "AWAKENING" OF THE MLC'ER-AND HOPEFULLY GETTING READY TO COME OUT OF THE TUNNEL INTO ACCEPTANCE.

Depends on them, and how willing they are to face their issues once they "awaken". Every MLC'er that gets ready to come out, experiences this "awakening". And what I have described concerning the journey into Acceptance, comes AFTER this "awakening."

And if you look backwards you WILL see when it started. Now, according to Jim Conway, a MLC takes 3-5 years maybe longer to play out-if you look closely, establishing the beginning of this, and see where you are now-only THEN will you have ANY idea of just how long this may take.

I don't know about the 1/2 to 3/4 timeline.  There are many long timers on this site that would not agree with that estimate.  (HB did state it as Possible - not definite).

L

Wow - this is really interesting. 

And this is a great thread.

[Albatross]

How to cope with MLCer in replay ? Simple answer is like with people who have personality disorder. Before I realize that my SO is MLC I find by my self that she have all symptoms of personality disordered person. And then learning more about PD's find out that people who have PD in middle age PD diminish in intensity. Anyway PD's people develop in early years 0-20 not later. My SO have no any symptoms of PD until year 2007.

In year 2011 I was almost sure that she have Histrionic PD or borderline PD, or both, because exists B cluster of disorders. That leads me to search more, and  then I find this site and some others similar.

And then I stress out possible outcomes:

1. My wife going nuts, Alzheimer, Schizophrenia or some similar disses. That was worst case scenario.
2. My wife has always PD but in mild form and in middle age she go into MLC because of that.
3. My wife have FFO issues, codependency but not pathological, conflict avoider - not pathological, idealist and that finally lead her in MLC.

I am optimist by nature and I like to believe in case #3.

Anyway I study a lot PD's. If someone have some Q about them, feel free to ask.

Specially, how to cope with MLCer in REPLAY. They are exact as people with PD.