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MLC Monster Re: REPLAY - #3
#30: October 02, 2013, 07:06:50 PM
 I am very sorry to hear that, it is so sad. I admire your strength.
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Re: REPLAY - #3
#31: October 02, 2013, 07:39:46 PM
Thank you for your kindness, Patience.
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Re: REPLAY - #3
#32: October 03, 2013, 01:08:19 PM
According RCR article  that You can find everywhere about depression. Serious disorders can be present.

Anyway depression is just reaction as MLCer disconnecting from world because his personality does not work anymore. His coping strategy external life does not work anymore.

Because his current coping life strategies wont work anymore he start to use maladaptive coping strategies. While adaptive coping methods improve functioning, a maladaptive coping technique will just reduce symptoms while maintaining and strengthening the disorder. Maladaptive techniques are more effective in the short term rather than long term coping process.

Negative techniques (maladaptive coping or non-coping)
Dissociation is the ability of the mind to separate and compartmentalize thoughts, memories, and emotions. This is often associated with Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome.

Sensitization is when a person seeks to learn about, rehearse, and/or anticipate fearful events in a protective effort to prevent these events from occurring in the first place.

Safety behaviors are demonstrated when individuals with anxiety disorders come to rely on something, or someone, as a means of coping with their excessive anxiety.

Anxious avoidance is when a person avoids anxiety provoking situations by all means. This is the most common strategy.

Escape is closely related to avoidance. (SOUND FAMILIAR FROM RCR MLC MAP ?This technique is often demonstrated by people who experience panic attacks or have phobias. These people want to flee the situation at the first sign of anxiety. [18]

So, that push him even deeper into depression, his depression become neurosis, then acute neurosis.

NEUROSIS:

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According to C. George Boeree, professor emeritus at Shippensburg University, effects of neurosis can involve:
    ...anxiety, sadness or depression, anger, irritability, mental confusion, low sense of self-worth, etc., behavioral symptoms such as phobic avoidance, vigilance, impulsive and compulsive acts, lethargy, etc., cognitive problems such as unpleasant or disturbing thoughts, repetition of thoughts and obsession, habitual fantasizing, negativity and cynicism, etc. Interpersonally, neurosis involves dependency, aggressiveness, perfectionism, schizoid isolation, socio-culturally inappropriate behaviors, etc.[7]"

There are many forms of neurosis: obsessive–compulsive disorder, anxiety neurosis, hysteria.

Psychoanalytical theory
As an illness, neurosis represents a variety of mental disorders in which emotional distress or unconscious conflict is expressed through various physical, physiological, and mental disturbances, which may include physical symptoms (e.g., hysteria). The definitive symptom is anxieties. Neurotic tendencies are common and may manifest themselves as depression, acute or chronic anxiety, obsessive–compulsive tendencies, specific phobias, such as social phobia, arachnophobia or any number of other phobias, and some personality disorders: paranoid, schizotypal, borderline, histrionic, avoidant, dependent and obsessive–compulsive. (RING A BELL ? LBS ask self a lot why they MLCers behave as PD people ?It has perhaps been most simply defined as a "poor ability to adapt to one's environment, an inability to change one's life patterns, and the inability to develop a richer, more complex, more satisfying personality."

Starting neurosis, depression spiral accelerate. Activate now NEUROTIC DEFENSE MECHANISMS instead mature defenses mechanisms which person normally use it before.

The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-IV) published by the American Psychiatric Association (1994) includes a tentative diagnostic axis for defense mechanisms.[17] This classification is largely based on Vaillant's hierarchical view of defenses, but has some modifications. Examples include: denial, fantasy, rationalization, regression, isolation, projection, and displacement.

Vaillant's levels are:
    Level I - pathological defences (psychotic denial, delusional projection)
    Level II - immature defences (fantasy, projection, passive aggression, acting out)
    Level III - neurotic defences (intellectualization, reaction formation, dissociation, displacement, repression)
    Level IV - mature defences (humour, sublimation, suppression, altruism, anticipation)

Level 3: Neurotic

These mechanisms are considered neurotic, but fairly common in adults. Such defences have short-term advantages in coping, but can often cause long-term problems in relationships, work and in enjoying life when used as one's primary style of coping with the world.

They include:

    Displacement: Defence mechanism that shifts sexual or aggressive impulses to a more acceptable or less threatening target; redirecting emotion to a safer outlet; separation of emotion from its real object and redirection of the intense emotion toward someone or something that is less offensive or threatening in order to avoid dealing directly with what is frightening or threatening. For example, a mother may yell at her child because she is angry with her husband.
    Dissociation: Temporary drastic modification of one's personal identity or character to avoid emotional distress; separation or postponement of a feeling that normally would accompany a situation or thought.
    Hypochondriasis: An excessive preoccupation or worry about having a serious illness.
    Intellectualization: A form of isolation; concentrating on the intellectual components of a situation so as to distance oneself from the associated anxiety-provoking emotions; separation of emotion from ideas; thinking about wishes in formal, affectively bland terms and not acting on them; avoiding unacceptable emotions by focusing on the intellectual aspects (isolation, rationalization, ritual, undoing, compensation, and magical thinking).
    Isolation: Separation of feelings from ideas and events, for example, describing a murder with graphic details with no emotional response.
    Rationalization (making excuses): Convincing oneself that no wrong has been done and that all is or was all right through faulty and false reasoning. An indicator of this defence mechanism can be seen socially as the formulation of convenient excuses.
    Reaction formation: Converting unconscious wishes or impulses that are perceived to be dangerous or unacceptable into their opposites; behaviour that is completely the opposite of what one really wants or feels; taking the opposite belief because the true belief causes anxiety.
    Regression: Temporary reversion of the ego to an earlier stage of development rather than handling unacceptable impulses in a more adult way, for example, using whining as a method of communicating despite already having acquired the ability to speak with appropriate grammar.[20]
    Repression: The process of attempting to repel desires towards pleasurable instincts, caused by a threat of suffering if the desire is satisfied; the desire is moved to the unconscious in the attempt to prevent it from entering consciousness;[21] seemingly unexplainable naivety, memory lapse or lack of awareness of one's own situation and condition; the emotion is conscious, but the idea behind it is absent.[citation needed]
    Undoing: A person tries to 'undo' an unhealthy, destructive or otherwise threatening thought by acting out the reverse of the unacceptable. Involves symbolically nullifying an unacceptable or guilt provoking thought, idea, or feeling by confession or atonement.
    Withdrawal: Withdrawal is a more severe form of defence. It entails removing oneself from events, stimuli, and interactions under the threat of being reminded of painful thoughts and feelings.
    Upward and downward social comparisons: A defensive tendency that is used as a means of self-evaluation. Individuals will look to another individual or comparison group who are considered to be worse off in order to dissociate themselves from perceived similarities and to make themselves feel better about themselves or their personal situation.


As MLCer going down by depression spiral he regress in more primitive defense mechanisms, means FOG arise.

When MLCer eventually hit PSYCHOSIS then his defense mechanisms become pathological.

Level 1: Pathological
The mechanisms on this level, when predominating, almost always are severely pathological. These six defences, in conjunction, permit one to effectively rearrange external experiences to eliminate the need to cope with reality. The pathological users of these mechanisms frequently appear irrational or insane to others. These are the "psychotic" defences, common in overt psychosis. However, they are found in dreams and throughout childhood as well.

They include:
    Delusional Projection: Delusions about external reality, usually of a persecutory nature.

    Conversion: The expression of an intrapsychic conflict as a physical symptom; some examples include blindness, deafness, paralysis, or numbness. This phenomena is sometimes called hysteria.[18]

    Denial: Refusal to accept external reality because it is too threatening; arguing against an anxiety-provoking stimulus by stating it doesn't exist; resolution of emotional conflict and reduction of anxiety by refusing to perceive or consciously acknowledge the more unpleasant aspects of external reality.

    Distortion: A gross reshaping of external reality to meet internal needs.

    Splitting: A primitive defence. Negative and positive impulses are split off and unintegrated.

    Extreme projection: The blatant denial of a moral or psychological deficiency, which is perceived as a deficiency in another individual or group.

    Superiority complex: A psychological defence mechanism in which a person's feelings of superiority counter or conceal his or her feelings of inferiority.

    Inferiority complex: A behaviour that is displayed through a lack of self-worth, an increase of doubt and uncertainty, and feeling of not measuring up to society's standards.


So, there is reason  why we always talking here about clarity, FOG. They move up and down trough this post.
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Re: REPLAY - #3
#33: October 03, 2013, 01:33:34 PM
Albatross, another thought provoking post and so informative. Thank you. I see my h in so much of what you write. There is a worsening in his behaviour, he is withdrawing even more, and is in fantasy of what love is...and is rejecting the marriage based on that....he is seeing therapist on Wednesday, I hope he will soon understand his behaviour and thoughts are totally immature! Well, soon could be months!!
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Re: REPLAY - #3
#34: October 03, 2013, 02:32:42 PM
According RCR article  that You can find everywhere about depression. Serious disorders can be present.

I think what RCR says is that and MLCer can show signs of disorders, not that they suffer from any (except depression that is a mood disorder). Of course there are MLCers who have previous disorders. That does not stop them from having a MLC, it will just make their MLC be worse than the ones of MLCers without previous disorders. 

MLCers do not usually resemble neurotic people, they resemble bipolar (after all Replay has the two poles, a depressive and a manic one, like in bipolar) and, at times, borderline or psychotic.

You know that all those disorders, depression, bipolar, neurotic, and so on, have neurological causes, don't you? They did not come by just because someone decided to have a personality change. The personality changes results of neurological changes.

Depression is not, IMO, a reaction. Depression, coupled with stress, is the cause of MLC.

DSM-V, released this year, has replaced DSM-IV. It has some alterations from DSM-IV. You can read about it here:
http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/article.aspx?articleID=177513&RelatedWidgetArticles=true

MLCers external life works fine. Or, at least, several of them can lead what outsiders would consider a normal external life. It is just that they go and live that life with someone else.

Don't want to sound hard Patience, but soon could be years. Lets hope not. 
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Re: REPLAY - #3
#35: October 03, 2013, 02:51:07 PM
Fingers crossed! These posts are tough to read when you think how they apply to your loved spouse!
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#36: October 03, 2013, 03:15:37 PM
Fingers crossed! These posts are tough to read when you think how they apply to your loved spouse!

Yes, finger crossed.  :) They are. But they also help us to understand the mess they are in/create. And can even be useful for other life situations we may be faced with.
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Re: REPLAY - #3
#37: October 03, 2013, 04:22:12 PM
Yes, but you know, one MLC situation is plenty for me in one life! I hope never to have to apply all this analysis to anything ever again!! ;D
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#38: October 03, 2013, 05:43:01 PM
One MLC situation is enough to any of us. ;D  Was not thinking about another MLC situation. More that what we learn here can be used to many issues people face during life. From a serious illness to deal with teenage kids.
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#39: October 03, 2013, 10:49:23 PM
I knew what you meant, I was joking! ;D
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