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MLC Monster Re: REPLAY - #3
#70: October 15, 2013, 04:51:15 AM
My wife is in replay, however there has been a split with OM and he is back with his long term partner so it is my guess that he binned W to pick up his life where it left off. So at the moment W could turn anyway, chase after OM, find another OM or take dreaded steps towards liminality. I know she is fighting the last option as she is monstering at me and dragging her heels on the divorce she instigated.

Booboo, I like your theory on replay although I’m not sure if I quite fit.  W is 49, we met when she was 29,and she has gone back to how she behaved when she was 19, we’ve been at this more than 10 years, so by now she should be running out of steam. Actually when I look at her health deterioration and her appearance when the mask is down that could be anytime soon, or is that just my wishful thinking.


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Re: REPLAY - #3
#71: October 15, 2013, 05:07:07 AM
“Midway on our life's journey…": On Psychological Transformation at Midlife ”

According Murray Stein Mild Life Transformation have stages:

    1. Separation - Withdrawal, Separation and Loss
              Entails the experience of loss, withdrawal, and grief.

    2. Liminality
              Demands patience and tolerance of ambiguity during the transition from one identity to another

    3. Reintegration
Requires a constructive and proactive attitude to participate in building up and consolidating a new sense of identity.

Reading this article REPLAY is part of Liminality, means Dissolution of persona is beginning of Liminality, then goes merger with shadow. Whole process of individuation. All of that in Liminality.

"The transformation-of-personality process is metaphorically imaged as beginning with the spinning of a cacoon, which is then entered (withdrawal phase), and this is followed by the dissolving of former structures (liminality phase), which finally transforms the being into a winged creature (reintegration phase) – from caterpillar (the persona identity) to butterfly (the mature, post-midlife identity)."

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Re: REPLAY - #3
#72: October 15, 2013, 05:09:45 AM
Yes, Lanzo, I get what you are saying, BUT, we are not the problem here.
They have gone into regression. Back to a time where something went wrong with their emotional development.
We are not the cause of it, they THINK we are!!!!
We're not.

I just happen to have met my MLC'er at that time. So I am probably getting even more blame than you are.

People tend to hurt/project bad feelings onto the people closest to them when they feel down on themselves.
We were just there!

Your spouse was headed for a MLC the minute whatever went wrong during her life occurred.

that was before you came along.

If there was another long term relationship or marriage before yours, they will look into that, too. I think that is why a lot of MLC'ers go back to their first love to find out if something went wrong there...Of course it did, otherwise they would still be together now, but at that time, your MLC'er wasn't going through MLC.

She is now!

When they broke off previous relationships, it is very likely that they were fully aware of why it did break. Unless they suffer BPD and have all their lives, yet MLC would intensify BPD, so again, MLC is the main problem.

With is one, your relationship, they are not aware at all of what is wrong until they open the door to liminality.

I think I know what I mean lol

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Re: REPLAY - #3
#73: October 15, 2013, 05:18:12 AM
Separation - Withdrawal, Separation and Loss
              Entails the experience of loss, withdrawal, and grief.

The first task at hand, psychologically speaking, is the emotional work of grieving the past. What has been lost must be recognized as such and deeply mourned. If this is not done, the cover-up will not go away but turn into the stench of rotting corpses. Life will come to an emotional standstill and bitterness will gradually build up. Life will lose it potential for further growth and become bogged down in unfinished business from the past. In MidLife addresses this as "burying the dead." The old, the lost, the dead must be put away and stored in memory, and this cannot be accomplished without entering into the suffering of grief. This calls for a period of mourning.
What has been lost and needs to be put away is more than the specific object that may have disappeared. It is a phase of life, an era, perhaps formulated as youth itself. The persona that had been adopted for functioning conventionally in the social and cultural mileau, which worked adequately for a time, has now become unable to encompass the reality of the psyche in its fuller incarnation. And so like a snake shedding its old skin, the period of transformation begins with the tearing pain of breakdown. The alchemists spoke of this as the stage of nigredo in their opus. It is a period of opaqueness, depression, and seemingly hopeless suffering, when the prospect of going on in life takes on the perspective of meaningless drudgery and painful boredom. This phase must be endured and worked through, and this is done - perhaps with the help of a psychotherapist - through what is commonly known as "grief work." It is a work of suffering the loss consciously and without recourse to previous defenses like denial and repression or projection, and this means coming to terms with what the loss means for one's present and future life, and accepting it.
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Re: REPLAY - #3
#74: October 15, 2013, 05:24:24 AM
The Second Phase - Liminality

Alongside this process and often in conjunction with the descent into nigredo, there begin to emerge new elements of the personality that have not held a place in the persona identity before now. These may first appear in the form of dream symbols that can be quite difficult to interpret as such because they may show up as fearful and threatening figures, such as intruders, unsavory animals like snakes, beggars and other marginalized folk, and so forth.
On the other hand, there may be an influx of compensatory exuberance and inflationary energy during this period. Sudden intuitions of the dawning of new possibilities for life feel like the miraculous gift of incredible new freedom to do and be what one has not allowed oneself before. Simultaneous with grieving the loss of the past identity – as husband or wife, as son or daughter, as father or mother, as professional whatever – there arrives a burst of promise of a new life. Usually this is quite premature and should be read as a foreshadowing of distant things to come, energy to be used for new projects in the future, but often the compensatory force of this intrusion of libido is difficult to contain. This is the source of the famous "acting out" that so frequently takes place during the midlife crisis.

If grieving and accepting loss are the tasks of the first part of the process, the tasks of the second stage include containing and maintaining the freedom to explore widely and deeply and not too quickly settling for the security of new attachments and commitments. In other words, a moratorium on closure is called for, until things become more ordered and clarified. The possibility for a type of defensive maneuver that Jung aptly called "regressive restoration of the persona" leads backwards rather than forwards. In that case, the whole process may try to repeat itself in order to achieve the growth that can result in greater individuation.

The prolonged middle phase of the transformation at midlife is perhaps the most important and difficult phase of the process. In my book, In Midlife, I use the term "liminality" to speak about this phase. The term means "betwixt and between" or "in a threshold." Psychologically, it indicates being located between firm and fixed identities and in a state of flux with respect to a solid sense of self. It is a period of confusion and ambiguity, but also a time of discovery and potential transformation. The term transformation can be misunderstood in this context. It does not mean to become a different personality, unrecognizable by people who have known the midlifer before. Rather, it means to become more of what a person potentially is, to increase the range of a personality's expression, of its incarnation into everyday reality, to bring more of the self as a whole into conscious realization. Transformation phases in life are periods of emergence, when features of the personality that have been latent come to the fore and take up a place in the conscious reportoire of intersts, passions, and behaviors. Transformation signals an expansion of selfhood. And just as this is a chaotic period during the years of adolescence when sexuality is coming into play in a new and powerful way, so it is a period of chaos at midlife when what we call "shadow" and "anima" (or "animus" in the case of women) come into play.
The shadow contains features of the personality that have been rejected because they are incompatible with the social persona being constructed during adolescence and early adulthood. Certain personality elements, often quite valuable and potentially enriching in themselves, are repressed because they were found to be objectionable for moral or social reasons. In adolescent terminology, they are not "cool." Now they clammer for attention.

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Re: REPLAY - #3
#75: October 15, 2013, 05:33:02 AM
The Third Phase – Re-Integration
As the period of liminality draws to a close, a new interest in participating in the social and cultural world, but as a new kind of person, takes hold. In my book Transformation – Emergence of the Self, I call this the emergence and consolidation of the "imago." This is the butterfly that breaks out of the cacoon at the end of the metamorphosis, which passes from the death of the old structure (a crawling insect) through dissolution (pupal stage) to a new formation (imago). The new imago is the incarnation of the self in a new form, psychologically more complete and whole than the earlier persona identity had allowed or indicated. Aspects of the former persona may in part be taken up into the imago, but it is put into a broader context. Just as Jung, when he emerged from his profound introspective period of withdrawal and liminality, retained his earlier social roles as father, husband, and physician, so the imago personality may carry with it important features of the earlier form. But now this is given a new place within the overarching meaning and purpose of the imago that has taken over the place of central identity. New channels for energy deployment and investment are available, and the old persona features become mere tools of management in the new orientation.
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Re: REPLAY - #3
#76: October 15, 2013, 05:41:24 AM
Now become all clear to me. My wife MLC path - timeline is perfectly match ! And I know exactly where she is on the MAP ! I will connect what I have in timeline, her blog and this. All confusion become about REPLAY as part of separation which is not. Some people do not act out, they contemplate = MLT, some act out trough EA, possible PA. Like Jung said it is about second stage of individuation, personal relationship dissolving anima/animus. Everything from this site is true except that REPLAY is in SEPARATION instead of LIMINALITY and MLCer are aware of everything ! Yes, they are in acting out behavior where they take great risk burning bridges with old life, but their urge to individuation is so powerful !
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Re: REPLAY - #3
#77: October 15, 2013, 05:57:42 AM
Just to come back to Boo boo.

W first love was when she was 18 and he was in his thirties, she generally dated older men and I don’t think her parents approved of her choices. I think I actually met him when we had only been dating a few months.

 I on the other hand am just a year older and was different to her  normal type, I was also was approved and loved by everyone she knew. I think I was more husband material that got the approval rating rather than being a true love. 

The current OM is in his sixties, around 15 years older than her and almost a carbon copy of her first love.

When I look more into things, W was always going to have a MLC,  I’ve been trying to work out what her under laying problem was and could it be something as simple as her trying to work out where it went wrong with #1 love.

Sheesh….. all this hassle over something so stupid.


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Re: REPLAY - #3
#78: October 15, 2013, 06:12:23 AM
That is why it is not worth looking into it and analysing it too much.
It'll be over when it is, but if we get in the way, we just slow the process down.

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Re: REPLAY - #3
#79: October 15, 2013, 06:12:58 AM
Now become all clear to me. My wife MLC path - timeline is perfectly match ! And I know exactly where she is on the MAP ! I will connect what I have in timeline, her blog and this. All confusion become about REPLAY as part of separation which is not. Some people do not act out, they contemplate = MLT, some act out trough EA, possible PA. Like Jung said it is about second stage of individuation, personal relationship dissolving anima/animus. Everything from this site is true except that REPLAY is in SEPARATION instead of LIMINALITY and MLCer are aware of everything ! Yes, they are in acting out behavior where they take great risk burning bridges with old life, but their urge to individuation is so powerful !

Very interested in hearing more Albatross.  So where do you think your W is on the map?  I will need to read all of this again!
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