[Albatross]

In vino veritas is a Latin phrase that translates “in wine [there is the] truth". The expression, together with its counterpart in Greek, “Ἐν οἴνῳ ἀλήθεια” (En oinōi alētheia), is found in Erasmus' Adagia, I.vii.17.[1] Pliny the Elder's Naturalis historia contains an early allusion to the phrase.[2] The Greek expression is traced back to a poem by Alcaeus.[3]

Herodotus asserts, and it is likely enough, that if the Persians took a decision while drunk, they made a rule to reconsider it when sober. Few authors between Herodotus and Lévi-Strauss would have dared to add, as Herodotus does, that if the Persians took a decision while sober, they made a rule to reconsider it when they were drunk (Histories, book 1, section 133).[4]

The Roman historian Tacitus described how the Germanic peoples always drank while holding councils, as they believed nobody could lie effectively when drunk.[5]

The phrase is often continued as, "In vino veritas, in aqua sanitas", i.e., "In wine there is truth, in water there is health."

Similar phrases exist across cultures and languages.


"Our drunken behavior. One effect of alcohol is its release of the shadow; that is why many intoxicated people behave in a manner which is contrary to the behavior which they exhibit when sober."

How Your MLCer behave before MLC when he/she become drunk ? That can explain Your current MLCer behavior. What You say ?

[superdog]

Hiya, em.... Can't concur on this one. My mlcer was a very happy, funny drunk who I never saw bad mouth anyone. He was just playful, way more so than sober.

Perhaps not just the shadow appears but the good points too Are released??

I would say this is sometimes me depending on which drink I have. I become a bit of a shadow boxer when I drink cider, it's makes me very angry. I don't drink it !!!

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[Sunny]

How very interesting Albatross. My H self medicates with booze, a lot. He is always embarrassing but nothing that could be identified as shadow. I dont think his shadow side gets much air time generally.

[Albatross]

Hiya, em.... Can't concur on this one. My mlcer was a very happy, funny drunk who I never saw bad mouth anyone. He was just playful, way more so than sober.

So ? He is now playful, way more then sober ? Get it ? So far I read Your thread, he is no monster, right ?

[Searching4Answers]

"Our drunken behavior. One effect of alcohol is its release of the shadow; that is why many intoxicated people behave in a manner which is contrary to the behavior which they exhibit when sober."

How Your MLCer behave before MLC when he/she become drunk ? That can explain Your current MLCer behavior. What You say ?

Very interesting. I was told this early on, that the way he was when he was drunk was his true self. I have never seen him drunk, he stopped drinking right before we met; however, his family as well as himself have told me that he was a complete **shole. H also said to his family at one point "I would start drinking again but Searching would leave me and I don't want that to ever happen"  Another thing that I have been thinking about recently relates to this; during my H's teenage years he drank and did drugs all of the time. I was wondering if this is why we are here now; he missed out on a developmental stage because of the alcohol and drugs. Was he trying to escape even when he was a teen?

[Albatross]

My wife was never drunk ! I try to make her drunk, but she always refuse. To bad. I am missing now her shadow information. Anyway, I am addict by genes probably. So, I never hold in house alcohol, otherwise I will become alcoholic easily. Also never try to use drugs even in curious teen age. Most likely my W is so rigid that she can't allow self being ever drunk ? Or she is aware of own big shadow and afraid to be drunk and show alter ego - dark side ?

I was never drunk that I do not know what I am doing. But I was drunk well several times, can number it on digits of my one hand. As drunk I was playful, cheerful, full of joy also emotional - in manner that I love whole world . Shadow can contain also gold. How I understand that ? My wife before MLC was extroverted, but not spontaneous. She was always hyper vigilant. To much distance between rest of ego and persona. Controlling own behavior. What that means ? That I will be more playful, joyful if she was not so rigid, controlled, calculated, more spontaneous.

Also people can't lie when they are drunk or it is hard for them to lie. They can be easily caught in lie as drunk, maybe is that reason to why people as drunk do not lie. 

[Albatross]

Another thing that I have been thinking about recently relates to this; during my H's teenage years he drank and did drugs all of the time. I was wondering if this is why we are here now; he missed out on a developmental stage because of the alcohol and drugs. Was he trying to escape even when he was a teen?

Probably he has issues in teenage years and try to escape and avoid them using alcohol and drugs. That issues come from earlier development phase - childhood. To bad that he miss opportunity solve them in puberty... So, he even now refuse to solve them... as result is MLC. Now he must to.

[WeepingWillow]

I think there's some validity to this.  More than once, I've spilled some things I meant to keep secret when I got tipsy.  But there's always the flip side of the coin.

Picture a 1960s stereotype middle-age business man:
tie loosened, buttons on his shirt stretched tight across his belly, reeling around on a bar stool, slurring his words as he tells some bimbo...."My wife doesn't understand me"....

[bestfriends]

My husband and his dad really cannot socialize without drinking.  They are "more themselves" when they drink.  My husband is really loving to me when he drinks, and he says nice things.  He says nice things when he's sober too but moreso when he's drinking, he's more cuddly too.  I need to read up on serotonin again.  I have some supplements for him but I have been so bad at remembering to give him anything these days. 

[Anjae]

My MLCer was never drunk before MLC. In 20 years I have never seen him drunk. So being drunk is a "new" (now more than 7 years old behaviour) for my MLCer.

If I remember currently the Persians drunk whole wine (wine that was not mixed with water) and the Greeks wine mixed with water. The Persians would got very, very drunk, like Alexander and his man found out.

in Vino Veritas, here in Portugal, is taken in the same sense that the old Germanic people, when drunk one cannot lie.

But, at the same time, around here it is also considered that what is said while drunk does not count because, most likely, it was not true.

Weird, I know.