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#120: February 10, 2014, 12:03:12 AM
Hi everyone,

Thanks very much for your posts - I appreciate your advice and support - as always.....
Yes Strongwind - the affair, at this early stage after BD - is one of the hardest things to cope with....that and the feeling of being deleted.
The more I educate myself here on this site and the more books I read the more I realise the process - so yes, reading is crucial for my well being and sense of stability at the moment.
I feel a bit better now that i ma home in our apartment - I found the weekend hard being so close to places that i know so well connected to WAP.
As each day goes by I am finding that I am having to accept the process of letting go.
I have no choice in that my D and I have to continue with our life. We have things to be happy about and to be proud of.
I think its the shock of the extreme change. I spoke to/was in contact with WAP every day of our time together. It has now been nearly 6 weeks since BD and over a week since any email contact (and that email contact was business like and perfunctory by him).
IUnlike a lot of people here now that I moved my things out of his house there is no particular contact/connection.
I sometimes wonder whether I moved my things too quickly???? My underlying sense is no - I didnt. Reading RCR's threads about OW etc she does advise to not accept particular modes of contact under those circumstances - I couldnt continue to have our things in his house when he is in full blown PA with her. He has also told me its over etc.
However I moved very quickly (everything out in 4 days) and I think, at first at least, that surprised him.
Now - SILENCE........No contact.......No spewing - no monster etc
Do any of you have the experience of WAH/W/P going completely silent so soon after BD....
I am starting to suspect that this may be an extreme case of MLC - there seems no interest in him knowing ANYTHING about our lives, where or how we are.
I am slowly trying to detach and to live as if he may never return. I am sure at the moment he is not the right person for either of us to be around.
It is in Gods hands now but the patience required is HUGE.......and the level of emotional discipline on the part of the LBS not to be affected by the affair/alienator.
Trying so hard to be strong :(
Thank you
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Re: Covert Depression and why they run
#121: February 10, 2014, 01:48:10 AM

Hi

My H has very little contact with me . After he left the only contact seemed to be telling me to get a counsellor and sorting out bills and such . All very impersonal and cold .

We did have some conversations initiated by me (before I found this site) he either cried a lot of was mean and we had a major touch and go in the summer , but then he pulled back again and we are back to him not being able to deal with me .

On the plus side the NC does enable you to heal , I got to the stage where he was so hurtful that I dreaded him contacting me , his Mother feels the same .

I got myself a cousellor and I focused on me , tahts not to say that I pushed him out of my mind . I just felt that I had to save myself , I could not go on feeling like I did . It takes time and we all do it at own pace and we all have different ways of doing it .

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Re: Covert Depression and why they run
#122: February 10, 2014, 02:26:42 AM
Thanks so much for your support Callan -
its helpful to know that I am not the only one whose WAH/P makes no contact.
I have to remind myself that when there is OW involved it gives them more reason to stay away and be convinced that we are to blame.
I also understand that NC does help you to heal. the pain is great today but i am trying to distract myself.
I need to read as much as I can and tidy the apartment. I am going to try to make an appointment to meet with my parish priest later today....
The sun is shining today - its a beautiful morning - all I can do is think about him with HER.
I have to remind myself that OW is part of their journey - the more they are left alone to live it with her the sooner they will move through the tunnel.
Most of the time I dont FEEL as if i want contact with him - only some points throughout the day that I feel like I want to speak to him and just ask "why".
We havent spoken since Xmas day 2013 - so there has been no verbal discussion about what he has done, why he has done it (or why he thinks he has) and what/where D and I are now.
So there feels like a missing piece in all of this compared to a lot of other posters here who are in more contact with WAH/W/P - even if there is monster.
Its harder when there is no contact to even tell whether you are passing through their thoughts - even momentarily...
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Re: Covert Depression and why they run
#123: February 10, 2014, 03:04:19 AM
If you spent any length of time with them? They still may think of you.
The "why's" will drive you crazy also.

Although I may not like being in the situation and it wasn't my choice. I'm not interested in the disrespect I've been shown due to HIS ISSUES.

OW are a band aid for their EGOS. They have the emotional depth of a mud puddle. BOTH of them.

You've been wounded and need to HEAL. Eventually you may see NC as a blessing.

That you noted the sun shining an a beautiful day is a really good start!

 Just start trying to omit the last part of the observation.
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#124: February 10, 2014, 08:58:54 AM
Thanks so much Init - yes you are right - I have been so very very deeply wounded ( as we all have)....it is always harder when the BD comes out of the blue - ie no precipitating argument etc....
Thanks also for reminding me about the role of OW in this - I need some cold hard reality sometimes to bring me back into focus...
I have had an interesting day - I had to go to the storage centre where a lot of my belongings are being stored as I dont have enough place in my apartment now...
I had to go there as I have donated one of my sofas to a local charity and they were collecting it.....so I had to sort through boxes to get it out of storage.
I was very upset when I got there - a lot of the boxes reminded me of a week or so ago when I was packing all my things at WAPs house.
Then - as I said a small prayer asking for calm and reassurance - I noticed in one of the plastic containers a bag with all of my daughters communion gear in it from a couple of years ago. There was her bible and our rosaries etc. There were also prayer books and a copy of The Prodigal Spouse - I dont even remember when I got it - but it was there amidst all of the packages etc.......
It made me think - maybe God IS working behind the scenes? Just when I thought I was so tired etc - there was a sign.....
I dont know - I just thought at the time that it was telling...
I have done everything I needed to do today - chores etc - trying to tidy up the apartment etc.
My heart is aching though - I feel lost but I am sure I am getting stronger every day - I am trying to anyway...
thank you for your help everyone - and for the support
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Re: Covert Depression and why they run
#125: February 10, 2014, 09:04:01 AM
Triggers are TOUGH I just had a BIG one a couple of days ago It will take me a while to get passed it cry, heal, and get strong again.

I see signs also- they can be so comforting when times get tough. Let yourself cry..

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Don't ask why someone is still hurting you; ask why you keep letting them.What you allow continues.

At some point you have to get sick of going through the same sh!t.

Women are NOT rehabilitation centers for badly raised men. It is not your job to fix ,parent, raise or change him.
You want a partner not a project.

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Re: Covert Depression and why they run
#126: February 10, 2014, 10:29:41 AM
Hey b88,

When my H left in 2009, I would have given anything for contact from him!!!  We only spoke if it had to do with kids or something about the house!  This time, he wants to be friends and help out etc.  I can honestly say I do better with no contact!  Have been trying to have plans and be gone when I know he is coming to the house.  He told D he thinks I am trying to avoid him!  Well, ya...I am!  Kinda in the anger stage right now that he has done this AGAIN so until I can get a handle on that, I need to not see him! :)

God is always working behind the scenes!!!  Take care!
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Re: Covert Depression and why they run
#127: February 10, 2014, 03:03:15 PM
I've been following along for a while and thought I'd chime in. :)

I am 2 years post BD and I've learned a lot in these two years which is a huge understatement.  I've learned about myself and my strength and my character and I know who I am and what I believe in and what I want for my life and for my D4's life. I KNOW I still love my W. She's lost right now and I have learned to let her go.

Having said that, this whole process is not cut and dry. It's not simple. It's not one size fits all. You have to find your own way through this crisis. And your path will look different from everyone else's path. when you're reading on the forum you will find some similarities here and there in other people's stories but your is unique to you. So sometimes you will feel very alone.. and that's okay because it will pass. Everything passes.

Just let yourself feel... knowing that the pain you're feeling in this moment will end. It all seems so overwhelming when you look at the entire thing at once. OMG she's gone and I'm a single parent and I'm taking care of the house and the dogs and I've gone back to work full time and OMG she's gone. You will be flooded with emotions and panic and every other fear based feeling. you have to try your best to just be in that moment with those yucky feelings and feel them fully and then let them pass.

That's when you discover that every time that happens... every time you feel so broken inside that you can't even breath... it somehow passes and you are a little bit stronger than you were before that moment. It happens just like that over and over and the yucky times get shorter and shorter and they happen less often and there are longer times between them and each time you recover faster from the pain.

It's still going to happen. just when you think there could not be one more thing that could bring you to your knees something happens and triggers you and you buckle. But it's happened so much that you know even when you're in the middle of the pain that it won't last long and you'll be better for it on the other side. It was a strange realization when I started having that "knowing" even while I was in such a painful place. but I knew that it would pass and when that moment was over I would have new life in me.

Just like all the people here I've found strength I never in a million years thought I had. I like myself again. I love myself. I'm proud of myself. I know who I am and why I'm standing. I know my W is not herself and will wake from this dark place she's in. I would say those words in the beginning but now I know them to be true in my core.

It just takes time. Each cycle you go through is one step closer to a stronger more confident you. Each one gets you a little more detached each time. And you're going to think you've finally made it to complete detachment and then something else will happen and it will make you feel like you haven't detached at all. It's not called a roller coaster ride for nothing. :)

My point in all this is to help you understand that you're going to doubt yourself over and over. But when you do you need to give yourself a break and know that you are getting stronger. There's no set pace or right speed. And just because you know you should be doing something doesn't mean you're at a stage where you can yet. Just be with yourself through all the pain and all the joy and you'll wake up one day and feel so strong and you'll be amazed at how you came so far.

The trick is all the little moments. Moment by moment.
It's very hard to do but don't worry about what other people think. They will not understand what's truly going on. they will not have read what you've read. They are not living what you're living. Most people don't get it. Most people advise you to "move on" because they don't know any better. And they just want you to stop hurting and our society notoriously thinks that's the fastest way to do that is to go be with someone else or to get revenge or all kinds of other crazy things. Most of them don't mean any harm they just don't know what you know. So, be careful who you confide in.

Ask your angels for help. even if all you can get out in the moment is "help me" just say it. And miraculously a wave of peace will wash over you or a thought will come into your head from out of nowhere that will give you an ounce of relief. and in that moment that's all you need... a glimmer of hope.

I am taking care of myself and moving on with my life in all areas that don't involve a romantic relationship. As far as I'm concerned I'm still married. but I had a lot of my own work to do. Inside myself and outside myself. My career, my finances, my dreams. they all needed attention. and right now I can give them attention that I wouldn't have had if my W weren't out of the house.

I'm still going to therapy even though I don't really HAVE to be going. I just love it so much. It's like it helps me grow and learn at an exponential rate. It's the same path I would have been on anyway but now it's faster travel. :)

Okay, I'm done ranting. I just want you to know that there's no right or wrong way. there are things you can do to make things harder or easier but there's no right or wrong. Just find your path and your rhythm, live through each moment as it comes knowing it will pass, and before you know it you'll be two years out from BD and you'll be stronger and wiser and amazed at yourself.

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Re: Covert Depression and why they run
#128: February 10, 2014, 08:47:41 PM
Good post ShineOn.  You make a lot of sense.
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Re: Covert Depression and why they run
#129: February 11, 2014, 01:11:50 AM
Just wanted to post here as I had quite a bad nights sleep and have been up for a while......
For some reason I have doubts as to whether I am barking up the wrong tree here.....
For weeks and weeks I have been convinced that what i am dealing with here is MLC/Depression. I know that many of you have read my sitch and have seen signs of MLC.
However - what happens if the reality is that WAP is not in any crisis - but is purely a BADV SEED/ a serial cheater/ a user of women etc.
The reality of the issue of porn., this history with women, his fathers history with women and how that may play into his experience, his deceit etc etc. Is this purely MLC behaviour.
If it isnt MLC - and it is something more - how can I live with myself knowing that I have exposed a person like this to myself and, most importantly, my D.
God - this is not good.
Have I been fooling myself thinking that it is MLC?
I would really appreciate some feedback - particularly from all of you who have been following my thread. I am now worried that I have been FULLy deluding myself..
feeling very upset - :( :( - what happens if I have got this ALL WRONG
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