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#30: January 29, 2014, 04:39:49 PM
don´t do this. Anywho, just wondering as you seem especially down and for me that happened when I took an unfair share of the blame.

This happened to me also.."if only" I done this or that..the "if only's" drove me nuts the first time. Lead me to such compassion I almost went insane.

The exow in my case last 4 months. They burned each other out pretty fast and it was an explosion when  it ended. Threw away 30 years for 4 months. She was an affair down and exit affair-nothing else.

This will get better CRY! AND SLEEP!! (((HUGS)))
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Re: Covert Depression and why they run
#31: January 29, 2014, 04:46:29 PM
forthetrees is right.  Don't take all the blame for this happening.  I thought it was my fault that this happened to my marriage.  But I have learned that it would have happened no matter who Mr. CT was married to.  Yes, I take responsibility for my part in the marriage that was my fault.  However, Mr. CT is 100% responsible for the affair with Voldemort and the ensuing destruction that followed in its wake.  Bellagio, you are not responsible for your H's affair.  As much as it hurts you, you have to try and take the focus off of him, the OW, and turn your focus onto you.  Your H is on his journey through MLC, and you are on your journey through MLC as well.  This is hands-down the hardest thing I have ever been through.  But, I am here.  And I get stronger every day.  You will too!  I promise!!  I had to go get meds for anxiety and panic attacks, and to help me sleep.  I no longer take the sleep meds, and I had an appointment today with my doctor and we are lowering the dosage on the anxiety meds.  I want to get completely off of them.  Take some time for you.  Go see your doctor, get a counselor.  My counselor is a very nice man, but I don't think he truly gets MLC, however, he is helping me focus on ME and not my H.  He asks me all the time, every time I see him, "what are you doing for CT?"  And that begins our dialogue of what I am doing for ME. 

This is a $hitty situation for all of us.  But we all understand where you are at right now, as we have all been there too.  Trust me when I say you will get stronger every day, because you will. 

Hugs and love to you!
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Re: Covert Depression and why they run
#32: January 29, 2014, 11:58:10 PM
Thank you everyone - have just woken up - I had quite a good sleep[ considering but I took a sleeping tablet which knocked me out cold.
When I opened my eyes the first thing I thought of was the affair. I guess it has been less than 24 hours since I had true confirmation (although I has suspected something).....so I need to time to come to terms with this.
I am going to read a few articles before I leave to get my things - especially about the affair down - the role of infatuation v love etc.
I am not doing too badly in terms of blaming myself. I think in my first marriage I did blame myself quite a lot at point of separation. But not now.
What WAP has done is beyond my comprehension of what is moral behaviour. If they are indeed in MLC - and we hold store and belief in the PROCESS - how do we come to a place of forgiveness? How? I am struggling with this at the moment especially because when D12 and I were in Australia we were spending a lot of time with my grandfather (90) who is dying - he is in hospice. I think about WAP knowing that my GF was suffering, hardly able to breathe, on oxygen and not only did he send BD but he was ALSO sleeping with OW in sordid hotels....I want to cry and scream at the sheer nastiness and immorality of it all. WAP stayed in my grandparents home for gods sake. Do they REALLY lose leave of all of their moral senses at this time?
I am sure this is all too soon for me. But ,my only sense of forgiving WAP in the future is if he comes through the tunnel and faces his demons and OWNS his actions - OWNS the destruction and the damage he is causing. When they are in REPLAY it looks so unlikely...so unlikely.
I have been reading Kittens posts and, whilst it is a different background I am in a similar position - we were not married but I was as if we were - obviously not him.
Like her WAP my WAP has removed all our photos - packed away our things - replaced crockery (he wont even use the old crockery that was his that he used, he has boxed all of that and put it upstairs - its like he was replacing any reminder of us.
Is this usual for covert depression and the early stages of REPLAY - the OW can do no wrong and is some sort of saviour - the LBS is to be treated with contempt and dismissed - rewriting history - deletion of you from their lives?
Forgive me everyone - I no I am stuck in a place at the moment - I will feel better when I have got all my things from his house - it is so hard still walking in there - its not good for me but I have to do it...
Could any of you send any further links/books/ ideas about covert depression and affair partners if you have them.
Thank you for your friendship and understanding...I dont know what I would do without this forum at the moment..
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Re: Covert Depression and why they run
#33: January 30, 2014, 12:12:40 AM
Just a quick question (I am not sure whether I am eligible for this any more) but is it possible for me to request a mentor?
Am also very very appreciative of everyones posts - just thought it may give me added direction.
I really want to try and cope with this appropriately...........its so hard to explain to people who aren't familiar with the signs etc.
Many of my friends assume that it is just another relationship that has hit the dust - with bad behaviour.
However, as we know, MOST DESCRIPTORS fit our situations.
This many people cant be wrong...
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Re: Covert Depression and why they run
#34: January 30, 2014, 12:16:46 AM
Am also interested in hearing stories about touch and goes/ etc after OW has left the scene. What is the ratio of WAH/P that have the courage to look back at LBS - to seen care how they are or what they are doing?
In my case it looks so hopeless - he hasn't even asked where we are living or how we are.
He has categorically stated that it is done, not coming back, no reconciliation.
I know this is script and they really do believe it when they say it.
The question is how do they reverse that thinking? What gives them the courage to do it?

I was trying to find Shantilly Laces' posts as  know she went through MLC and the WAH so she has views from both sides of teh fence, especially re depression. Could anyone cut and paste that link for me?
thank you
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Re: Covert Depression and why they run
#35: January 30, 2014, 01:11:09 AM
I should think that the 'courage' to do so emerges through remorse and fear....perhaps...and of course, when the fog lifts.
Fear of losing for good what they they were so quick to get rid off.
While they feel in control (foolishly.), all is well in a mlcer fantasy life.
The fantasy fades slowly (or fast in some cases), replay loses its appeal, the fog lifts etc.,,
Certain feelings, thoughts and emotions resurface and as they are srill in crisis at that point, they just act upon those emotions jtst as they have done all along- acting upon emotions that is.

Just a thought...That is what happened with me during my 'crazay' spell. And I couldn't try hard enough to make it up to e eryone.
I was lucky everyone stuck by me during this time. H and kids.
I lost a lot of friends during that time, not everyone is cut out for this.
A lot of people run from crazay.
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Re: Covert Depression and why they run
#36: January 30, 2014, 06:04:47 AM
B.....slow down. You have plenty of time to learn all there is to know about MLC...PLENTY!! It's all in the articles, and early after BD you won't want to do much but wallow so read and read what RCR has written. I also suggest keeping a journal. I kept a "hate and rage" journal at first....just so I could get those feelings out....it morphed into a completely different thing later on. Maybe get a "cozy Plush", LOL! It's a stuffed animal that you warm in the microwave....I still sleep with mine sometimes! Self care should be your focus....take walks and read the articles  :)

Here's some advice....don't tell too many people about your partner or the affair....you really don't know who will stand with you yet and they will pressure you to "DO something" or judge you for not immediately replacing him with someone new. Just play your hand close to the vest right now.
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Re: Covert Depression and why they run
#37: January 30, 2014, 06:32:06 AM
I agree you have all kinds of time to learn about this.

FOCUS on getting out of the house. Right now it's an excruciating thing to do BUT later it will empower you.

Don't pay any attention to his cold demeanor. Just get out as soon as you can.

Get out of his way so he can find out the grass isn't greener.

Be the example of what a REAL woman can do for your Daughter.

((((HUGS))) YOU CAN DO THIS! Are you going back today?
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At some point you have to get sick of going through the same sh!t.

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Re: Covert Depression and why they run
#38: January 30, 2014, 06:39:09 AM
I was trying to find Shantilly Laces' posts as  know she went through MLC and the WAH so she has views from both sides of teh fence, especially re depression. Could anyone cut and paste that link for me?
http://mlcforum.theherosspouse.com/index.php?topic=515.0
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Re: Covert Depression and why they run
#39: January 30, 2014, 04:53:22 PM
This was posted on Divorce Busters, and I thought it would be nice to share on this thread.

My Thoughts On Why They Run Away During Their Crisis  

I thought it would be nice to start a thread on exactly what my thoughts are on why the spouse tends to run away during their crisis. I have done a lot of reading and listening to my friend about his thoughts and feelings during his crisis. So here goes.

Generally the man/woman in crisis has had a terrible childhood. Their childhoods consisted of parents that fought, drank, did drugs, physically and mentally abused their children, emotionally distanced themselves from their children, but most of all abandoned their children. The more I read about the various "learned" personality traits, the more I'm convinced that as children they were mentally abused to the point of not believing in themselves at all. They felt dirty, unwanted, stupid, worthless, their self esteem was shot to hell. The parents had these children, but really didn't love them unconditionally. Most of the "crisis" children have ADHD, ADD, PA, BPD traits. They suffer from bouts of depression, are very good at lying, picking fights, defensive, and tend to self-medicate with alcohol, drugs, sex and spending. As I've listened to my friend, I've come to realize that even though "crisis" children appear normal on the outside, they have a constant internal war going on inside of themselves. They have been damaged beyond repair at that young age and it will take many years for them to even feel safe w/another person, if then. They feel very threatened by anyone that comes near them emotionally and physically. They can't handle it because they fear that this person will hurt them or take away whatever it is that they hold near and dear in their lives. As the "crisis" child grows up, he/she tends to be a loner, stays to him/herself and doesn't trust anyone to enter their safety zone. They tend to not show their emotions except in bouts of anger and are very guarded about their thoughts and feelings. They tend to distance themselves from others. I call this the dance, because when a person gets close to the "crisis" individual, he/she will distance enough to not feel threatened. You the spouse will never know the real person that lives within the "crisis" person until the two personalities are merged into one. The person you know is actually the shell of a person and he/she is very good at masking what he/she is really thinking at all times. However, during the major growing times, i.e., 20's, 30, and 40's (mid-life especially), the "crisis" person has another problem. It's at this time that the "crisis" child is starting to raise its ugly head, becomes stronger and wants to voice it's opinions on how that person was mistreated as a child. It's at this time, that the splintering/splitting occurs. This where the crisis child is doing internal battle with the crisis adult. The battle is a 24/7 emotional roller coaster for the adult. The pain, hurt and anger are there 24/7 w/o any relief. I've sat and listened to my friend speak of many things that happened in his childhood and to hear the hurt and anguish in his voice makes me want to cry for him. It is at this time when the emotional pain becomes so great that the adult can't handle any other stress in his/her life. This person doesn't trust the spouse enough to speak about the turmoil inside. They feel that the spouse will not accept them for who they are right at this moment. Why? Because that person has now entered mlc and will be there for a while. That person knows that something is terribly wrong and knows that he/she must leave in order to heal those long ago hurts. If you recall, as children, when we were scared or punished, we all wanted to run away. Remember those times? Well, this is what is happening to your mlcer. They are very scared and very hurt and they only thing that they know how to do is run, as the "crisis" child comes on the scene. The best thing that this person can do for himself/herself is to go see their parents, sit down and actually talk to their parents about how they perceived their childhood and tell the parents just how hurt and angry they are for how they were mistreated. If they don't do this, it will take longer for them to heal.

As spouses and friends of the mlcers, we must always keep in mind that they are in a very fragile state when the "crisis" child gains control. They are so confused and hurt. The anger is not at you, but at what life has dished out to them. It's the hurt coming out and it's really a delayed reaction to how they were mistreated as children. We have to remember to treat them kindly and with compassion during this time. Why? Because this could have happened to you. During the "crisis" child stage, you will be viewed as the mother/father authority figure, therefore you are the one that gets the brunt of what is happening. They are afraid to speak to their parents for fear of what the parents will do to them. Who better than us to get the emotional flack? They know we love them, they just don't know how to deal with the emotional pain that goes so very deep. Folks, I've had many long conversations w/my friend and I can tell you, he is suffering terribly from his "crisis" childhood. Until he resolves his issues and speaks to his father, he will continue to run and never heal.

I hope that this will help some of you better understand what is happening. I'd welcome all of your comments. As time goes by, I'll post more of my thoughts and observations. Mlc is not a pretty sight by any means, especially if the mlcer is willing to sit down and speak to you about how he/she is feeling. That's why it is so very important to be a friend during the crisis. You will learn so much more about what is going on. Keep the expectations to zero and I feel very strongly that your spouses "crisis" child will speak to you. Listen carefully, sift through the garbage coming out of their mouths and the answers are all there. It's not about you, but about them and how they were mistreated as children.
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