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#30: November 04, 2010, 05:12:08 AM
So true HB.  I'm truly happy and enlightened that my rose-colored glasses are off and see my H for what he was throughout our M.  Funny too that my daughters see it too.  I guess that's why they have been able to detach so well.
I am standing for now but I don't want my H back the way he was and I don't want to be the same person either.  I like who I am becoming and don't want to be that old self.  I think I finally "got it".  I will contiue to learn and grow and live my life for me.
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Re: Stayed's H letter
#31: November 23, 2010, 06:46:56 AM
I have been rereading the comments and the conversation created by my h's letter.  It has brought some thoughts to mind, that I had not considered before.  Funny, the questions that come to mind, long after the fact.  Like, I have never asked my h when he began to realize I was detaching.... as I went to New Zealand for 3 mos. there were no phone calls at all and most of his emails, I read but did not respond to.  (I devoured every word of those emails though, searching for any clues that he was coming out of whatever in the hell was wrong with him)

It was a wise decision though to get as far away from him as I could.  Heck you would have thought, me in Canada and him in Europe would have been far enough, but I had a phone in Canada... he could and did call frequently.  Keeping me hanging on, waiting and he so he could check often to make sure the anchor was still holding.  Looking back it is so clear, what he was doing and how I was ALLOWING him to do it.  At the time, it wasn't obvious at all, as I was desperate to hear from him and was grateful for any little morsel he threw my way.

I can see it all so clearly now.  He would call, we would start out being civil, then I would try to make him see how foolish he was being.  Try to force him to see what he was THROWING AWAY.  Eventually, the conversation would deteriorate into an outright fight.  Me sobbing, him exasperated.  I'm sure he hung, totally convinced that he was doing the right thing.  That I was a totally, unreasonable b*tch, a pain in the a$$ and he was better off without me.  I would hang up, more depressed then ever, whipping myself for getting drawn into another "battle", knowing damn well that was not the way to reach him.... but just incapable of making myself stop.  Then he would call me the next day and we would do the same thing all over again.... except for on weekends.  Then he devoted every second to OW, playing house with her, pretending he was having the time of his life.  Determined to forget all about us, until Monday morning, then the calls would start again.  I continued to validate his reasons for leaving me and he continued to make sure, his anchor was still holding. 

New Zealand was the smartest thing I ever did.  When my mother passed away in February and he made it clear that he was going to work on his new relationship.  I knew I had to get away from him.  That the cycle had to be broken.  There were no books available.  There were no forums.  All the sites said... "forget about it, your marriage is DONE, nobody recovers from this, how do you ever trust again?"  I heard it all.  I didn't want to believe them, but they sure were starting to make a lot of sense.  Statistics showed that the longer a couple was married the more likely they were to reconcile, but with another person involved, I failed to see how that was possible for us.  Quite honestly, I went a way to lick my wounds in PRIVATE... you have no idea how much I hate humiliation... and the idea that my family and friends PITIED me.... drove me nearly insane. 

I have well honed survival instincts.  I was dying, I was getting nowhere, time to get totally away from it.  I was luckier then so many of you, my youngest was 19 attending university, my pets were with my h and his OW, plus we were financially stable.  Even at the peak of this nightmare, I was aware of the advantages I was blessed with.  So, broken hearted, defeated, I ran.   :-\  If I had not had children, I think I would have gone invisible.. hehehe.  I was a mess and knew I had to help myself, whatever it took. 

I went away completely, from siblings, friends and children because I knew I had to face my fears.... my fear of being alone.  Somehow, that had become a huge terror to me.  Odd, considering as I had spent so much of my married life alone, with the kids.  Still, I was very afraid.  Thought my heart would pop out of my chest as I got on that plane the day I started my race for survival.  Trying to act, all cool and calm, when I was scared to death and just wanted to crawl in a hole and cry, or better yet,  :-[ die!  I kept telling myself, this is going to be such an adventure. 

It was so much like the first time my h went on exercise.  We had just moved to Alberta, I knew absolutely nobody and I was a couple mos. pregnant.  I would go to bed at night and PRETEND mom and dad were sleeping upstairs.  That I was safe and secure.  Hell, I was 26 years old, had back packed all over the west coast of Canada, Europe, traveled by car with my sister to western Canada, then across to Seattle and down to California, on hwy 1 no less, hehehe, yet I was still scared.  He was gone for 6 weeks, we didn't even have a phone, took 6 weeks for them to flick a switch in 1978.  Thought I could die there and nobody would find me until my h got home.

It was almost 29 yrs. to the day...  here I was ALL ALONE again... and scared to death.  Interesting twist of events. Mmmmmmmm where was I before I went off on this tangent... oh right, must ask husband when he began to feel me moving on... I always sort of thought it was after I returned to Canada but you know... I really don't know for sure... hehehe.

Bye for now...
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Re: Stayed's H letter
#32: November 23, 2010, 07:44:12 AM
Stayed,
  I'm looking forward to the next installment !!  I have been thinking just along these lines.  I would like to get as far away as possible.  But, I have both my Ds living at home with me.  D22 could easily move in with a friend but D18 is a senior in H.S. so I might have to wait until this summer.  For now it's just a dream ... but some times dreams still come true.  Right now Stayed it's not that I'm afraid of being alone I just want to be left alone. 
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Re: Stayed's H letter
#33: November 23, 2010, 07:59:55 AM
I hear you on that justkeepmovingon.... honestly, I flip flopped as much as my MLCer about just that.... LEAVE ME ALONE... don't you dare... hehehe...

You just get so tired ... don't you? hugs hun...
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Re: Stayed's H letter
#34: November 23, 2010, 01:32:02 PM
I would love to escape for a while but H has made it clear if I try and bolt he will use law to bring me back and I believe him on that cos of the girls.
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Re: Stayed's H letter
#35: November 24, 2010, 12:48:37 AM
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Could you or your H answer this question? When your H 'woke up' was it suddenly or gradual, Did he start to see that he was living a fantasy and yet run back into the fantasy and in their word ping pong about? What really made him realise; beside you moving on and scaring him that his happy ending may not be a reality, when he was ready; (in his movie) that he had to do something Now and not tomorrow??

I can see the changes in my H, as HB says I have seen him (this started a few years before his BD and something I had tried to discus with him but got only antagonism ) - trying to not be so self-centered, controlling, uncaring - I now realise that he is his Mother and Father - two people who would drive past our home on route  to their friends and not stop and visit (only child - only grandchildren) this he was so hurt by and said often I hope I am never like them - he is now?. His D is now dead and his M quite old and frail and he hardly sees her - just now out of duty, when we were together he used to make us all feel guilty and as if we were deliberately hurting him by not seeing them regularly when they made me and the kids feel UN welcome.
He is being much nicer to me about things I used to not understand why he seemed not to care, mentions things that happened (i had a ski accident 2 years ago - he showed no real concern and even a tad of annoyance) and how he remembers how bad it was for me and how upset he was?? and how he gets upset thinking about it (at the time he showed no concern at all).
Is this in your view or H - good signs because I cant have the old H back I know that too and think I knew I was unhappy before he went and from the first signs of his MLC .

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Re: Stayed's H letter
#36: November 24, 2010, 02:03:37 AM
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When you mentioned your ski accident, it brought to mind when I was on a mountain biking route with H and fell off my bike. He actually seemed to look at me in disgust! He made no effort to come and help me up, it was unbelievable.

So, if your H now says he remembers how bad it was for you and how upset he was, he must be feeling something again. Did they really hate us so much at the time that we annoyed them by getting hurt? Yet he says now that he was upset? I would love someone to explain all that!!!! Maybe he is feeling guilt now for the way he acted?

I hope your H is moving forward, B

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Re: Stayed's H letter
#37: November 25, 2010, 11:40:47 AM
Stayed, I have a question for your H too.

He said he knew you were there for him, and you were the anchor, however when he saw you going on with your life, he was afraid he might lose you. Then he said, if you're not there for them, they can just get more wrapped up in the dream/illusion?
So I'm wondering if I threatened divorce, if it would help him see I was serious and moving on,not just separating.( I do intend to divorce if he hasn't got his head together by the time the separation comes through)

Just wondering if this would help shake him up, or help him get more wrapped up into the fantasy life.
(sorry if you standers find this offensive, but I'm not intending to stand forever-I'm putting a time limit on my stand)

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Re: Stayed's H letter
#38: November 25, 2010, 12:57:32 PM
Hello Rememberer:

Let's get something out of the way, right now... NEVER UTTER A THREAT, YOU DO NOT MEAN!  If you have no intentions of honestly going through with it, then don't do it,  For one thing, if you did threaten it and then didn't do it... they would never take you seriously again and this could string out for years and years.  You need this time to SORT YOURSELF OUT, there is no QUICK ROAD through this.  Remember, you are dealing with a 17 to 10 year old.  Did you issue THREATS to you daughters... ie. if you do that, you are out of this house, I will not have that under MY ROOF.... I somehow doubt it.  I expect you threatened most anything but NEVER kicking them out.  Well don't do that to your h either, or he will react just like your girls would have.

If you want to find yourself divorced, then that is the way to do it. You are in no state at the moment to be dating anybody.  Not just because it would not be fair to the other person, but it would be outright wrong for you to get involved in any emotional entanglement without FIRST finishing your JOURNEY and knowing exactly what you want. 

If you do, the same thing will happen with the next person, only it may not be him who will cheat, it will be you.  Unless we have figured ourselves out, the cycle will just go on and on... with the next and the next.  No shortcuts Rememberer.... SORRY honey.  You have to learn to love yourself and love being ALONE, truly alone.  When you have learned that, you will then be able to share your life with another. 

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Re: Stayed's H letter
#39: November 25, 2010, 01:10:31 PM
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Could you or your H answer this question? When your H 'woke up' was it suddenly or gradual, Did he start to see that he was living a fantasy and yet run back into the fantasy and in their word ping pong about? What really made him realise; beside you moving on and scaring him that his happy ending may not be a reality, when he was ready; (in his movie) that he had to do something Now and not tomorrow??

Sorry, I didn't get back to you sooner.  I asked my h personally about your question.  No, it was not SUDDEN, it was very, very slow.  He says he started having more and more realizations that the situation he was in, was a HUGE FANTASY.  He also became worried that he could end up with NOBODY.... ME OR HER... OR ANYBODY else for that matter.  He told me it was like having 2 people living within him.  One was his intellect, that knew he was being really stupid.... and then another emotional person, who wanted to believe that his relationship with the OW was different, then others, his was true love.  He said the emotional one was much more powerful then the intellect, although, he thinks he hated to admit he could be JUST as stupid as anybody else.

Everything about us annoyed them, even if we got hurt, somehow, it was our fault.  We were doing it to get their attention... or just get any attention.  Really crazy thinking.... they are the teenagers, they never were.... defiant, mean, belligerent, arrogant, aggressive, passive aggressive, not very nice teens and would hve been quite a handful for any parent. 

hope this helps .... hugs...
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