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#80: December 11, 2010, 08:58:00 AM
 I know my H is thinking that he cannot come back or home.  He even made the remark to  his mom, that he couldn't come home now if he wanted to.  He also was crying when he said this. 

The last time I seen him was in court this past Wednesday and he couldn't even look at me.  He said hi to me so sheepishly and looked down like he was ashasmed according to my friend. 

Why does he act like this?  Is he really so ashamed that he can't look at me or does he hate me and can't stand to look at me?  I used to be able to read him like a book and still can at times but this action from him is so confusing. 

Is there anyone else out there that has gone thru this from their H?  I don't know what to think.  I think there is something wrong with me and that is why he will not face me.  He can talk to everyone else but not me.  Do you know how that makes me feel?  I feel so useless and hurt.  I feel so worthless and ashamed that he won't talk to me.  My feelings are hurt and i think everyone thinks it is all my fault that he left but they can't see I did nothing wrong.  Why do I feel this way? 

My oldest daughter thinks he will finally start seeing things once the divorce is final.  She says he still has everything at this point but once it is final, he will no long have his home, his family or his connection with us.  It almost seems to me that he is actually looking forward to not having a family or home anymore.  He acts as though he never had us as family and he has erased his past and doesn't remember it exised.  How is this possible?  Can they actually make themselves not remember?

I just want to find as many answers as I can because I do not think I can totally detach until I am comfortable knowing as much as I can. 

Thanks for all your help 
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Re: Stayed's H letter
#81: December 11, 2010, 09:48:27 AM
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My H has NC with his children and I have come to the conclusion that he is a COWARD.  He is pretending in his fantasy world that everything will be alright with his R with his girls with time.  STUPID, STUPID LITTLE BOY !!  He has basically destroyed his R with his Ds and doesn't seem to know it or for that matter care at the moment.

My husband and I have talked a lot about the children since we reconciled.  How he see's his behavior towards them is completely different then he did, when we first reconciled.  His attitude about the children when we first reconciled was part of the reason, I wasn't sure we would make it.  He was actually quite annoyed with them!  Yea, unbelievable eh?  He did not feel he owed them an apology, he felt that what happened was between us, that they should keep their noses out of OUR business.  He also, felt that as they grew older they would understand better, he often commented that at least 2 or more of the 5 would eventually divorce themselves if statistic were correct, seeing as 50% of all marriages end in divorce.  We used to get in to it real bad when we had these discussions.  I was so disgusted with him.  There were times when I came so close to packing my bags and leaving him.

Not sure, what made him see the light but by the time our youngest daughter got married in June 2007, he actually made his apology to them, as part of his speech at her wedding.  I know it was heart sent and meant but they did not hear it as an apology whatsoever.  They saw it as an attempt to extricate him from what he had done.  They saw it as grandstanding.  They were not impressed.  5 yrs. later if you asked any one of them, they would still claim they did not HEAR an apology. 

Personally, I felt he should have done it properly, privately, with just the kids and ourselves, their partners as well.  As my h's betrayal had horrendous effects on their relationships with their partners.  The girls became extremely jealous and questioned their bf's every action, if they were late coming home the girls were suspicious.  The boys, were just plain afraid that it might be genetic.  They felt that MLC was a male problem only, they were terrified they might do the same thing to their future wives some day.  The fallout from this crap is pretty spectacular, for something that an MLCer see's as a private issue that does not EFFECT anybody but their spouse and themselves, I can assure it, it definitely does not.

Our children are now 32, 31,30,28 and almost 25, they still do not respect him or trust him to remain faithful to me.  If he tries to discuss relationship issues with them, they make it very clear to him, that they are not interested in his views and opinions, that in their opinion, there is nothing could say about that subject that would of ANY worth to them.  That is definitely not an expert on the topic and that he is the luckiest man in the world that his wife, their mother took him back.  To them, "once a cheater... always.... a cheater" is their belief.  Each one of them warned him when he came back, that if he ever hurt their mother like that again, he would be dead to them. 

That being said, they all admit that they are glad we reconciled.  They are totally upfront that their reasons are totally selfish, as they really did not want to come from a broken home.  They did not want the grandchildren to have step grandparents and last but not least, they knew and respected the fact that I WANTED our marriage to continue. 

Just to show you how selfish an MLCer is, my husband actually resented their attitude, as he felt they were being ungrateful little brats, after all those years that he had been so good to them and had supported them.  Silly man didn't outright say that but he did allude to it once and they told him in no uncertain terms that they felt they had paid their dues to him and his career.  They felt all the moves and lectures about behavior that he had subjected them to because he was an officer etc., all the months and months his job took him away, missing many of the most important events in their lives, all the friends they had left, they had quite a list.  They told him where he could stuff his indignant protests about their disrespect to him.  They told him they didn't care what he thought of them, as they had no respect for him as a man, a father but mostly a husband.  They were pretty brutal.  Not young people to keep their opinions to themselves.

The tension between husband and the kids is better but I doubt they will ever totally forgive him and they will never forget. The price he paid for his MLC and betrayal, has been very expensive. 
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Re: Stayed's H letter
#82: December 11, 2010, 10:15:09 AM
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like myself, your h was good at manipulating, good at somehow making you feel like you were the one who "over reacted" or started the "argument"... somehow, mine always made me feel somewhat, inadequate. Looking back, I was always doing things for his APPROVAL, for some reason, I always wanted him to be proud of me, notice how capable


even through a friend - I think highly of believes my H (she understand MLC well) isn't manipulating  - just lost in his fog and she thinks he maybe in withdrawal??  but who can tell, not contacted me except for the email re the finances since the  `4th November. the kids not heard from him except when they text him nor has his mother )our D says she got an email from her and said she hadn't seen her son for a few months, D said have he emailed ? she said no but shed rung and he'd called back and left a message  as she was playing bridge) she plays every Monday night always has so be must have forgottent his too??

BUT this description of you and your relationship sounds the same as mine - I supported whilst pregnant his MBA when he was 27 - i did one and graduated in 2006 summer and  my H was too busy to come to the graduation? this is when i started to get upset at his lack of caring towards me!


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At one point, he was plain pissed with the kids, felt they were being selfish and as always only though of themselves.  Didn't care about his happiness, they should have understood that he "deserved" to be happy.  In his mind, he felt the kids knew we had ALWAYS been unhappy,
 

exactly he has even (many month's ago now) has said that they have no right to criticise him or judge him or in other words tell him how they feel?

He when he upset D a lot she had to write a letter telling him how she felt he attacked her for her lack of understanding (she found out about the OW which he'd lied to her about and got her worried he was on his own when he went away and of course he wasn't! ) and care for him!! LOL a lot!!

One Q? Has your H made friends built bridges etc with the kids?
love B xxx
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Re: Stayed's H letter
#83: December 11, 2010, 10:30:12 AM
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I just want to find as many answers as I can because I do not think I can totally detach until I am comfortable knowing as much as I can. 
Oh Hamp.

I totally feel you on this one.  But, there will *always* be more out there that we will not know.  A lot of our lessons will come in hindsight, so all we can truly do is trust that God has us on a path to somewhere great.  We need to trust in him to take us there...

Much easier said then done...  I know.  I keep wanting to just go sit in some yoga studio for a year and go "ommmmm" and hope the answers will just all come to me... but I don't think it works that way. :)
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#84: December 11, 2010, 10:34:31 AM
I will say that he really does try to repair the damage.  The middle child/son, is the most receptive of all the children to him.  He always wanted his dad's approval and in many ways gets it now.  The other two sons pretty much take him as he comes and my h is fine with them.

The most discomfort is between him and the girls.  Youngest daughter is courteous, says little but has as little to do with him as she possibly can.  We actually talked about it when I was with her while she was having her baby.  She said he is my father, I don't get in any choice with that.  I wish him no ill.  I am really glad that you and he seem to be having a great time together, you deserve that.  She was pleased that he came for the birth of the baby, as she wants her baby and any other children she has to have a good relationship with all its'/their grandparents. 

She told me that she had never felt particularly close to her father, she felt he was trying to reach out to her now and she was happy about that but she felt she would never feel for him, what she feels for me. :'( 

What can you do bewilderer, he did it to himself?  He did not make a personal, heartfelt apology to them, which I think would have helped draw them back to him.  Instead, he took the hard ass approach of "I don't owe them an explanation"!  I have said many times... "YES, YOU DO!"
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Re: Stayed's H letter
#85: December 11, 2010, 10:40:39 AM
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NG is so right you need to read as much on this sites resources and then read again and the picture of a MLC will unfold in your mind and it will help you as you continues along the path of his MLC.
also what ever you think you want to do .. to react .. sleep on it and then it will seem less important
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#86: December 11, 2010, 10:44:09 AM
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even through a friend - I think highly of believes my H (she understand MLC well) isn't manipulating  - just lost in his fog and she thinks he maybe in withdrawal??  but who can tell, not contacted me except for the email re the finances since the  `4th November. the kids not heard from him except when they text him nor has his mother )our D says she got an email from her and said she hadn't seen her son for a few months, D said have he emailed ? she said no but shed rung and he'd called back and left a message  as she was playing bridge) she plays every Monday night always has so be must have forgottent his too??

Your h sounds like he is in full withdrawal to me... as I said... that's exactly what my h did for the last 5 weeks before he contacted me at the time of our 29 anniversary... NOBODY, heard from him.  I didn't have to ask him for money as he had direct pay.  I simply went to the bank.
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#87: December 11, 2010, 11:04:15 AM
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THANKS again for your insight its so good of you to be supportive of us all here - i appreciate as i know my cyber friends do too - wish we could meet up sometime could do with a holiday!!!!

My H always had money on SO then it just stopped for twomonths mentioned it - nothing happened then I Had to ask which he knows I hate as I have always been self sufficient but its too hard to keep a large house ticking without some help from him?

One thing cant make my mind up .. didn't thank  him for putting the money in as it wasn't a favour, he didn't pay the extras I asked for( the cost of the admin for the bounced cheques due to him not telling me he'd not paid the money in as I asked him to check 6 weeks before or the fat it was originally on SO but he'd stopped it??) Should i thank him or leave it as he agreed the money had not gone it but guess what ....................... blamed the bank
advise please 
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Re: Stayed's H letter
#88: December 11, 2010, 11:29:15 AM
Money.. mmmmmmm I never ever thanked my h for any money that he provided during that time.  Quite honestly, I felt at the time and I feel to this day, that any expenses accrued during what I call his "defection".... were caused by him, by his "actions".  His MLC was not of my making, his affair was not of my making!  Due to his situation I was forced to do things that I would not have done. 

I can't answer whether you think you should say "thank you" for his contribution to his home, that you are maintaining as best you can, primarily at your own expense. 

I don't now and didn't during his MLC say ANYTHING I didn't mean.  I did not spend hours weighing my words, analyzing my every action or reaction.  If I said something I meant it, if I did something I intended to do it.

That's me... what you feel is best to do, is up to you.  Free world bewilderer.  As long as you can look directly into your own eyes in a mirror, I figure you must be doing it right. 











 
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Re: Stayed's H letter
#89: December 11, 2010, 11:57:48 AM
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Thanks really appreciate your point of view  -  I have now given it a lot of thought and have decided that if he pays the other or part of the cost I asked for resulting in his not paying his agreed money towards the bills - then I am happy to say 'thanks',  but not until then as he also hasn't done some other things I asked him too in regard  our home  after all it is also our our investment.

I also asked for a contribution for Xmas - nothing, asked him 2 months go to deal with our tank that has split (phone calls etc all is require) and he said he wound - nothing
asked him to call re Xmas and him seeing his children - nothing
Understand my reluctance to thank him? its been 8 days since his email because of my 'begging' letter!

Also I on the 10/11 asked him to come back and  do some jobs I COULD NOT DO - he said, ' I don't do jobs, I'm useless you know that '. What he meant was I can't come home he is terrified of home!! My intuition and my daughters too is that when hes been back before last time 12 months ago, he doesn't want to leave .. you nearly have to peel him from the kitchen and when he leaves he doesn't look back his shoulders drop, he looks so sad .. but his choice hey?

so again thanks your view puts my spinny thoughts into perspective

I am still conflicted but will go with my instinct .. it feels right   B  X
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