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#90: December 11, 2010, 12:05:43 PM
Bewildered,
I have had some experience along the line of h causing numerous financial disasters. Well, pretty much all of his MLC is a financial disaster, but I will tell you what I did regarding the bank account.

We had a joint checking account open and on the day of the bomb drop, I went and opened up my own checking account. Before all of this happened, h had been sending $300.00 to our joint account by direct deposit for our mortgage payment. We had agreed this joint account was to be used for this. Of course, 2 weeks before he left, he changed that to $100.00 which is still the amount direct deposited over a year later. Big support, huh? LOL!

When we opened up that account, he agreed with the bank about having some identity theft service put on the account. It only cost around 8 bucks a month, so he thought why not? Well, that 8 bucks a month really messed me up more than once! He wasn't giving me the $8.00 to cover this fee and I forgot about it coming out and it bounced quite a few checks. I called him and told him he needed to put in the money to cover those checks plus the $8.00. At first he balked, but I told him this was his fault. Either give me the extra money to cover it, or have the service removed.

Even though he complained both times this happened, he still deposited money into the account to cover it. He has never had the service removed. After a few months of going back and forth over this, I gave up the argument and made sure there was always money to cover that stupid $8.00 service. But, I have a record of all of that and will make sure the judge is aware of it. It simply became an issue of choosing my battles and this one wasn't even a blip on the MLC disaster screen for me.

H also deposited money into my account a few other times to help me out. I didn't make a big deal over this gesture to give me money since he has only been giving me the big, generous amount of 100 bucks a week!  ::) However, I did send him a text that said I appreciated him taking care of the bounced checks and I appreciated him giving me money the couple of other times. And I simply said thank you.

I decided that I did not want to appear as the vile, hateful witch he thought I was, but I wanted him to notice that I was always polite. And that I said thank you. That I appreciated the effort it took to go to the bank and deposit the money into our account.

Now, for us, this is not a big deal. We would make sure there was money in an account and money provided for them. It would not be a major issue to go to the bank and take care of it. But, I knew it was a major issue for him.  ::) So, instead of putting fuel on the fire, I decided to kill him with kindness. And, you know what? It worked every time! He was actually surprised that I reacted that way.

I'd like to tell you that h has made sure I have money all the time since those instances have happened. Ha! Fat chance that will ever happen. If you have read my thread, you know it's just the opposite.

How we react to them is the only thing we can control. Getting out of this MLC mess with our dignity is much better than acting like a horse's behind, like our spouses are!  :)

I also have hated going to my h for money. But, it is what it is. I think you just need to decide for yourself how you want to react to all of his MLC. You have the power of your reactions. You can choose to keep your dignity, even if you are angry with him. It's ok to be angry.....the Bible says be angry and sin not.  I just had to learn how to do the sin not part. LOL!

Hang in there!  (((HUGS)))  :)
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Re: Stayed's H letter
#91: December 11, 2010, 12:57:54 PM
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your experience is useful and will re think me thanking him but don't at the moment feel this is the right thing to do.. as for dignity - i have been so kind and thoughtful towards him, never shown anger except at BD and the few weeks after but it was more sorrow and anger at him as he would not explain why - didn't know about MLC then.

if fact i still collect his mail and send it to him (thought has this once been two months worth still here didn't have the postage (as had no money) he He

he hasn't asked for it which he usually does every month if its not arrived

but Will send next week or drop off at his office - if i find the time! LOL

he is ow such a pathetic, no courage of his convictions,  man - never was always was so strong and dependable now the complete opposite its so painful isn't it for us to watch and detach from as its sad to not be there for someone you love.

But they do have to work this out for themselves and for us to be able to love them in totality again X

My always i thought was a together sort of bloke isn't anymore hes crazy and pathetic and confused and well ................. the list foes on nothing but negativity B x


 
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Re: Stayed's H letter
#92: February 06, 2011, 06:45:26 AM
Stayed  & Stayed's H:

Thank you so much for sharing your insight.  This is invaluable information and helps me tremendously.  Thank you for your courage to share.

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Re: Stayed's H letter
#93: February 06, 2011, 06:54:15 AM
Hope it helps... hugs... Stayed and hubby lol
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Re: Stayed's H letter
#94: March 10, 2011, 12:09:58 AM
Hi:
I haven't posted on my thread in a long time.  I received a PM from a lady recently who wanted advice on whether there was a gentle way of giving her h notice, that she would not hold on forever.  While she was at it, she revealed what her life had become in the last few years.  How unhappy she had become and well, "used" she felt.  While answering her message, I related why the JOURNEY we are forced upon was so beneficial to me and how it changed my life.  This is my response.


Hi !!!!
I hear you girl.  Strangely, this is a very familiar scenario, typical of the lives of many of the LBS's on this forum.  Many of us experience similar events in our marriages.  Our spouses very much had a privileged life, that we not only permitted but actually encouraged and supported. 

Like yourself, we had "moments"/"events" throughout our marriages, that drove us to distraction.  I think all of us would willingly admit, that much of it was due to a distorted idea that it was our JOB to support our spouses, at everything they did.  That being said, we did develop "resentments" over the years, as there was very little reciprocation. All of us acknowledge that it was our own silly selves, that allowed these "habits" of our spouses to continue, more by a reluctance to insist on ourselves being heard.  Sort of a situation of "anything for peace".  Our fault for not pushing ourselves forward but I think many of us, took the attitude that we wanted THEM to notice for themselves.  For some bazaar reason, we honestly thought, that SOMEDAY our spouses would notice all that we did for them and allowed them to do, thereby love and appreciate us.... someday. 

Instead the "d!cks" went crazy, had a "depression" and went into full blown CRISIS!  Some thanks?  Your life, could be mine!  :( .

This is why it is IMPARATIVE that we take this journey.  All these "things" in our marriage must be properly assessed.  WE need to determine, how much of it was ALLOWED by ourselves, why we allowed it, and for as long as it did.  Then, how we would go about changing it, if our marriage survives.  We also need to assess our spouse.  In every way though.  We can't separate these incidents in the marriage and let them define our marriage.  Our marriage was obviously NOT only about our spouses "selfish" behavior, there were some very, very good times as well.  We need to evaluate the good with the bad.  HONESTLY, OPENLY!  This takes time.  When we are as upset as we are now, is not a good time to totally trust our judgement. 

The other thing that I found in my journey, I also had rewritten history.  I think as you examine your situation closely, like myself you will find, that many of the disturbingly upsetting events, that we are now dwelling on, occurred in the last 5 to 10 years.  In fact the first 20 were damn good.  There was more equality, mutual appreciation, consideration, respect.  I know, when I examined my entire married life, that the lack of respect, consideration, appreciation, the "selfish", self centered-ness of my spouse, actually began sometime after the 20 yr. point.  That being said, those last 10 years had become so progressively HORRIBLE, that I had rewritten our ENTIRE MARRIAGE.... which was not true.

So like our MLCer's, we too tend to rewrite our history.  My journey helped me to separate and examine when the unhappy events began to encroach on what had actually been, a very happy partnership, for many, many years.

Once I got started on this journey of evaluation and discovery, I saw how and why I had allowed my spouse to become progressively more self centered and less partner oriented.  It was so enlightening and empowering.  It prepared me to take back my life, control the things I could control, which was only myself, my behavior my thoughts, ONLY MYSELF.

What did I discover?  I had felt at the time, that I was "relieving" my h of many of the tedious chores.  Thinking that he was such a busy person, that it would allow US more time as a couple, when he was home.  I felt that he would love me more and be proud of how capable and thoughtful I was.  Instead, he simply took advantage of me.  Slowly, handing over more and more of the odious, tedious chores that he didn't like to do.  It did not make him love me more, instead it made him respect me LESS.  It was like, he was "laughing" at me, thinking, "what a fool, but hell, if she will do it, GREAT... HAHAHA"! 

I over appreciated my husband.  I was so proud of his success and his intelligence.  In my desire to be a part of his success and feel a right to partake in the very prosperous lifestyle that his success benefited our family, I willingly picked up the "slack" I felt he didn't have time to do.  Plus, I honestly thought that by doing so, it would free up more of his time for the children and myself.  Instead, he found other things that he enjoyed for himself to fill the hours that I freed up. 

I had begun to live a life of quiet desperation.  Discontent.  Unhappiness.  Something I would not have CHANGED if he had not gone into full blown CRISIS.  In many ways, this crisis released me from a life of "self imposed" servitude. 

Those are just a few of the things I discovered while taking my journey.  I could probably fill pages but I have a baby quilt I need to get started on, as I have to have it finished before the ladies arrive here in Luxembourg on the 7th. of April. 

I hope this gives you a little insight dear.  This journey is for YOU.  Let your h get on with his crisis.  Leave him to sort himself out.  This is the time for you to reevaluate your PERSONAL LIFE.  This journey is so HEALING.  Once you have healed then you will be in the right frame of mind to make wise decisions and choices, that will CHANGE your life completely.

Don't be afraid.  Don't be in a rush.  Just let it happen. 

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Re: Stayed's H letter
#95: March 10, 2011, 03:07:55 AM
Hi stayed what you said in your post is the exact thing ive been thinking about for the past few days, i too did so much for my h, believeing it would free him up to spend more time with us, it probably did the opposite and made him feel inadequate as such cos i was too MISS INDEPENDANT, i believe i played my part in h's MLC affair as i wasnt needy however o/w is and was so he felt like he had some purpose when with her, they both fed off the ego building.......I know o/w is just a symptom and at the minute he feels like her knight in shining armour cos she needs him and although i didnt see it back then i didnt the difference was i wanted him.....so im goner complete my journey and wherever that takes me i dont know but it as to be a better place than i was in at BD.....People become too comfortable in life and dont like change but in order to become better people change as to take place so im goner embrace it and not work against it ....as this only lengthens the journey ......Thanks for your post it validated exactly what ive been thinking about xxxxxxxx
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Re: Stayed's H letter
#96: March 10, 2011, 03:27:42 AM
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it probably did the opposite and made him feel inadequate as such cos i was too MISS INDEPENDANT, i believe i played my part in h's MLC affair as i wasn't needy however o/w is and was so he felt like he had some purpose when with her, they both fed off the ego building.......
In all honestly,  With Gods Help I doubt this played much of a role in your h's MLC.  I actually think it probably just gave him more time to "find" another person to carry on with. 

My point was actually more about how it allowed my h to take me for GRANTED... even contributed to loss of respect, if I was going to do all these EXTRA chores, then fill your boots "stupid".  For example, he will leave his trousers draped over the back of the couch, as he tends to strip out of his dress cloths when he comes home from work.  At one time he would have left it there, sometimes getting quite annoyed that I had not picked them up and put them away.  Now, I leave them.  Usually in a couple of days, he will notice and has often said... "I'm so sorry honey, I would never have done that at the OW's house, that is very disrespectful of me"!  He will scoop them up and take them to where they belong.  In the old days... it would never have even occurred to him to do such a thing.  Heck I was his b*tch as far as he was concerned.  Now he totally recognizes I am not his "slave". 

There are so many things these days that he does.  He is the one who often clears the table, something he NEVER would have even considered doing in the bad old days.  Quite beneath him, I think. 

There are many things he has apologized for sweetie.  Things he took for granted, now he can see how time consuming and boring they were for me to do.  Plus, why should I do these thing???   He sees that now.  He never appreciated how time consuming caring for children was.  He has apologized a billion times for his attitude about that.  At the time he honestly felt, I was just so LUCKY to be able to stay home and raise our children.  He totally FORGOT that I often went to work for three, 12 hour shifts, when he got home from work, without having slept.  Which meant I would have been up for longer then 24hours when my shift ended... plus still had to get home from place of work.

There was a total loss of appreciation for my contribution to the family as a whole.  I was given no respect, appreciation or consideration for my efforts.  Quite honestly, it should have been me who had the MLC. 

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Re: Stayed's H letter
#97: March 10, 2011, 03:43:41 AM
Wow, it's incredible how all of our sitchs are so similar.  I too feel I was taken advantage of and unappreciated.  I have always worked full time and was always able to manage to be a attentive partner and parent.  My Ds and I have talked about how my H had basically given up on life in the past few years.  He never could get up the energy to do anything.  Our yard is a mess and left unattended.  Shameful really, I'm just glad we live in the boonies as no one really notices.
  We definitely teach people how to treat us.  I no longer want to be treated as an undervalued woman.  I work hard and deserve respect and appreciation.  Maybe one day he will wake up and see what I did for him and for our family.  But then again maybe he won't only time will tell.
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#98: March 10, 2011, 04:41:00 AM
Yep Justkeepmoving... it's up to him!  Time will tell.  You have to wonder though, where will you be, if and when that happens?

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Re: Stayed's H letter
#99: March 10, 2011, 05:00:17 AM
hi stayed yes i understand and i also know h took me for granted, hes admitted that many times however the words come easy from him but im no longer looking for words its actions that interest me now..............

Your post on trusting's thread made me cry it was beautiful you have such a great way with words, its comforting to know that there are some h's out there that really do show remorse for what theyve done, youve bothed worked so hard to get where you are i hope your both proud of yourselfs for finally having the marriage you both deserve and both sharing your journey giving hope and advice to those whom come here in order to help themselves and try make sense of what the HELL happened........Thankyou so so so muchhhhhhhhh
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