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There are certain brain chemicals that allegedly control selfish tendencies. My husband admits to being selfish since his MLC started and if I call him selfish he doesn't even deny it.

He always used to be proud to say, even if he said nonsense, "In the end I always do the right thing." I haven't heard those words out of his mouth in months. Probably because he doesn't care to do the right thing for anyone else anymore, it's all about him.
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I don't think I think that NLP caused his MLC, but I was wondering about triggering some of the behaviours by giving him "permission" to be totally selfish.

I really was wondering if it could have a permanent effect on the brain; it stands to reason (at least to me, but I'm not a scientist) that if it has positive effects, it can also have negative ones....

But I don't think it's a stand-alone. 
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That is really interesting information IANTE.  Thanks for finding that podcast.

T&L, it's always going to be guesswork, as there is no going back for a re-run, but I suspect your H was manipulated by this woman due to his MLC.  MLC could well be 'permanent' in some people no matter what replay activities they engage in.

Written for kids, this does have a great summary on the complexity of the brain regions that involve moral thinking.
https://kids.frontiersin.org/article/10.3389/frym.2016.00003

Box 1 - Brain Chemicals and Morality.

Several chemicals produced in the brain, called neuromodulators, influence morality. The hormone, oxytocin, though wrongly called the moral molecule, has received a lot of attention and hype. In humans, oxytocin does increase trust and generosity in some situations but can increase envy and bias in others. What is really interesting from an evolutionary perspective is that this is a very ancient molecule that, across mammalian species, plays a critical role in the mother–child relationship by increasing bonding and reducing fear and anxiety. Another neuromodulator, serotonin, is involved in social behaviors, particularly aggression, and is manufactured in the brain and the intestines. Serotonin has been shown to influence moral judgment by enhancing the negative feelings we have in response to see others experience harm.


Box 2 - The Human Brain Does Not Have One Moral Center or One System that is Devoted Solely to Make Moral Decisions.
Instead, various regions and circuits of the brain that are associated with emotion, planning, problem solving, understanding others, and social behavior are recruited when making moral judgments. These parts of the brain include

– Medial prefrontal cortex plays an important role in interpreting and understanding the thoughts and mental states of ourselves and others.

– Amygdala is important for emotional (positive and negative) reactions.

– Ventromedial prefrontal cortex: a critical hub for caregiving behaviors, morality, and decision-making, by combining cognitive and emotional processes necessary to guide social behavior.

– Dorsolateral prefrontal cortex plays an important role in self-control and intelligence.

– Insula provides the foundation for being aware of our body feels.

– Posterior superior temporal sulcus is a key region to understand the intentions of others.
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No, MLCers are not psychopaths. Psychopath fell no guilt or shame. MLCers do. I had been having a long conversation with one of my brother's girlfriends who is becoming a doctor. She loves neurology and knows I am into in. We talked about many issues, including big farma, neurology, neuroscience and psychiatry. She had during her training, see psychopaths, she says they are very strange.

Kikki, you were right on the money, big farma is not interested in any research that does not lead to big bucks. They are not even interested in anything that can be cured. They only like chronic illnesses, illness causded by virus, many of which are scientifically curable, and so on. My brother's girlfriend also told that therapist don't have much of an interest in a number of things to be solved/cured because that means they would be out of a job.

Another thing she confirmed is that psychiatric is being more and more merged with neurology. Psychiatry used to have epilepsy epilepsy and the dementias, but when organic causes for those were found, they moved to neurology. She says soon, as more and more is knows and since no psychiatric illness falls out of the blue, mentall illness will be on neurology. However, she left it clear that, for now, there is no knowledge to cure mentall illness (aside from the least serious typed of depression). Same for the dememtias, we still cannot cure them. And because of big pharma, may never will. But meds to stop Alzeimer's and Parkinson's from going futther are already on clinical trials and, at a point, will be on the marked.

Also, several European countries, Portugal included, have the right to produce meds that big pharma has no interest on, and there are several research groups here and in other countries working on meds that will be produced by the state. The idea is that the French state will produce one type of those meds, Germany another, Portugal yet another and so on. There will no profit on those meds.

Anothe thing she told me, and I think we are all aware of it, is how difficult it is to diagnose, let alone correctly, a mental illness. Psychiatris relly on self reference, a bit on relatives of the patient reference, and not much more. In POrtugal, a psychiatris (I am talking about the National Health Service ones) will tend to request blood tests and a brain scan to eliminate organic causes (thyroid, brain tumour, etc). Then, it is more or less a guess and going by their knowledge. She says psychiatrists have it rough because their diagnosis is essencially based on their accement, not on tests.

High Energy MLCers do not have reduced activity, quite the opposite. I don't think they suffer from Frontal Lobe Syndrome. Plus, when the crisis is over, they go back to normal. I am not saying that the frontal is not affected, ut may be, but they don't have the syndrome in itself.

Still, we know much more about the brain than we did, but we still do not know enough. And it is doubful that anyone will be interested in financing a study of MLCers, their brains, hormonal levels, etc. Unless some charitable eccentric billionaire is up to it.

MLCers have their brain chemicals changed. Depression alone would be a reason for the change in moral behaviour because of all the brain areas it affects. Same for when one is drunk. Being drunk affects several brain areas and leasd to all sorts of behaviours.

I think we more or less have an idea of what is going on inside the MLCers brain. But we have no way of treat it. And that is the problem.





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Thanks for that update Anjae - always very interesting to hear what other medical professionals are being taught.

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big farma is not interested in any research that does not lead to big bucks. They are not even interested in anything that can be cured. They only like chronic illnesses, illness causded by virus, many of which are scientifically curable, and so on. My brother's girlfriend also told that therapist don't have much of an interest in a number of things to be solved/cured because that means they would be out of a job.

It's pretty sad to realise that even people who are meant to be working in the caring professions, are often  more interested in their own back pocket than doing the best they can for people.

So yes agree, anything chronic and incurable is what they're interested in. 

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Also, several European countries, Portugal included, have the right to produce meds that big pharma has no interest on, and there are several research groups here and in other countries working on meds that will be produced by the state. The idea is that the French state will produce one type of those meds, Germany another, Portugal yet another and so on. There will no profit on those meds.

Very happy to hear this. 

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Psychiatry used to have epilepsy epilepsy and the dementias, but when organic causes for those were found, they moved to neurology. She says soon, as more and more is knows and since no psychiatric illness falls out of the blue, mentall illness will be on neurology.

I think when that day comes, we are going to at least feel a little validated for the h*ll that most of us and our children have been put through.




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Big pharma is not in the caring professions. I think they are only in the profit profession. One thing that always makes my eyes go is the price of meds and medincine in the US. In countries like Portugal, that have a National Health Service, things are very different. And, in fact, private hospitals here are not as good as NHS ones.

I think when that day comes, we are going to at least feel a little validated for the h*ll that most of us and our children have been put through.

Agree.

I am quite confident that science, and the areas connected with neurobiology, biochemestry, brain research, staminal cells will develop a lot. Staminal cells is another area big pharma does not really like. It allow for a lot of illness and medical conditions to be cured/treatable. Bio  engineering/biomedical engineering will also grow. One of the ideas for strokes is brain microchips that will alkow motor function to be recoved. That is a job for neuro surgeons and bio-Engineers.

Big pharma has a lot of power, but people are becoming more and more aware of what science is possible and will, at a point, start to want better solutions than just meds. Even because a lot is and or will be possible.

Will we still need meds? I think so, but science will allow for a lot of medical problems to be solved.

We will also know more and more about the brain. Even if the brain is tricky. It is too complex, it rules everything. A brain dead person is dead. If plugged to a machines, heart and lungs work, but it the machine working, not the person's body.

Neurology goes further than just the brain in itself. It encompasses all our nerons, from the brain to the digestive tract neurons (enteric nervous system). And, of course, all our nerves are of the domain of neurology. So, the neuro medicine and sciences have a wide scope of action/research that I think will be paramount for many future medical improvements.

Personally, I would put MLC on the domain of neurology rather than psychiatry. We know hormones play a huge role on it, so that is what psychiatris call an organic cause. If brain areas are altered, that is also neurologic. In fact, it could be said all mentall illnesses are neurological illnesses because they affect the brain/come from affected areas of the brain (or run by the brain).

I am really enjoying talking to the girlfriends of two of my brothers. One is already a doctor, the other is on her way to be one. One is on her mid thirties, the other on her early twenties. They see things in a modern way and they have practice from the field, which is interesting and useful. I have been learning a lot with the two of them.

You are also back on the field, Kikki. So you also have practice from day to day hospital life and medical reality. A thing that I think is very helpful because it allows for knowledge and put things in perspective.

I am waiting for osb to come around and tells us what she thinks of what we have been discussing of late.  :)
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Hi Velika,

Unfortunately I don't have enough of a science background to fully understand all of the factors; these types of conditions seem very complex. I found an abstract that relates certain traits ("glibness, lack of empathy, guilt or remorse, shallow affect, and irresponsibility, and behavioral characteristics such as impulsivity, poor behavioral control, and promiscuity") to damage to specific areas of the brain (the orbital frontal cortex, insula, anterior and posterior cingulate, amygdala, parahippocampal gyrus, and anterior superior temporal gyrus):

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2765815/

I personally think neurotransmitter imbalances (dopamine, GABA, serotonin) are factors.

Kikki, Anjae - Thanks for the contributions. Reading along with interest.
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I found an abstract that relates certain traits ("glibness, lack of empathy, guilt or remorse, shallow affect, and irresponsibility, and behavioral characteristics such as impulsivity, poor behavioral control, and promiscuity") to damage to specific areas of the brain (the orbital frontal cortex, insula, anterior and posterior cingulate, amygdala, parahippocampal gyrus, and anterior superior temporal gyrus):

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2765815/

I personally think neurotransmitter imbalances (dopamine, GABA, serotonin) are factors.



This beautifully sums up the sudden behaviour and personality changes in my MLCer. And I guess that's why we're all on this thread.  We intuitively knew from day one that something had severely gone wrong in our H's brains to manifest as it was manifesting.


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Thank you Iamnottheenemy....that article about psychopathy was really interesting and thought provoking.

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We intuitively knew from day one that something had severely gone wrong in our H's brains to manifest as it was manifesting.

I agree 100%
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Joining in the chorus. It makes me so sad, though, for all of us. We didn't deserve this, and neither do they. Years of their life, altered and lost.
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