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#40: March 14, 2015, 01:43:50 PM
Mine used to tell me that he was not good for me and that neither of us was happy, but I don't even remember when he said that last. He doesn't say anything bad to me at all...and he tells his parents that he needs to visit me...so not badmouthing me there either.

He told me he missed me last month...have not heard that in a long time before that day either.

Unfortunately, about 3 weeks later, he told me he loves OW...so who knows? I don't think he does.

Mine would also be stubborn and proud and not want to admit he did anything wrong...but he would flirt his way out of this if he thought it would work. And, since I know this about him, I'd accept that as his way of apologizing. Not everyone would, but I did daycare for 9 yrs and "sorry" means nothing when it's just a word we're expected to say in order to smooth things over. You can say "sorry" fifty times and never learn anything from it. Showing that you care about someone goes a long way in my book, so I don't care if he never says it, as long as I can tell by his actions.



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Re: What is life with the OW like?
#41: March 14, 2015, 03:16:54 PM
My w told me that they dident fit, not emotionely and physical. W is petit en OM was tall. He was a good listener, w left OM becaus he had 2 kids, and they were getting atached to here, w could not stand it because w was not planning to stay....because she was not over me!

Now w lives again with OM, when his kids are not around, w can't leaf a trace of here when the kids are comming.....

That's was what w told me when we were a couple again.....what is true of this story ? I don't know.

I ask w if she wanted to do a STD test, she had the sexual relation ship with OM
W has sworn that always had safe sex, nobody except me is aloud to do that.
I ask here and again becaus it's important. She kept with here statement.

OM eventuly gets dumped ! so he can enjoy a  W that not even know herself.
What a joy that must be, slowly the mask will fal off. Almost feel pity for both of them.

OM/OW come not even close to all of us!  8)
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Re: What is life with the OW like?
#42: March 14, 2015, 11:19:12 PM
Oh, btw, when we first got together, we came up with a list of reasons why we loved each other. His was 'you understand me', 'you don't stop me from pursuing my dreams', 'you don't despise me'.. among others. Sounds familiar? Looking back I think I met him when he was having a quarter life crisis and lost him at midlife crisis. The whole 10 years were a nightmare.

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I think you had a pwBPD. It's like mild MLC all the time. The "You don't despise me" is the waving red flag on that one.

I am hesitant to diagnose anyone, but he sure had a lot of issues! Well, it's not my problem now.  ;D

I met someone last year who displayed a lot of red flags, and instead of trying to help that person, I ran for the hills. Hey, I paid for the lesson in blood.

Btw, just want to state something that might not be a very welcome here. I know a lot of people think the OW is a mentally ill, low-life &^%@#, which might be true in some cases. However, I personally believe that the majority of them are to be pitied, as they have been conned by the MLCer. I know how my MLCer operates and I truly believe that he squirmed, begged, threatened, and blackmailed his way into the OW's life with all sorts of lies and false promises. And the constant checking up on the MLCer by the OW, the paranoia and the crazy-making? Well, who wouldn't, when having to deal with someone like that. We sure did, once. And some do, after re-connection. Life with an MLCer is not pleasant. And that's putting it mildly. Be happy you're not the woman having to deal with it 24/7.

Also, which woman would want to carry a child for 9 months just to trap the MLCer, when the risk is that she would be left with another mouth to feed single-handedly, poorer and with less freedom, and more baggage when she returns to the dating field. Either he entered her faster than common sense did, or she truly believed his lies.
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« Last Edit: March 14, 2015, 11:40:58 PM by paradigmshift »
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Re: What is life with the OW like?
#43: March 14, 2015, 11:46:47 PM
I often wonder to what extent OWs actions were a deliberate desire to destroy our family, or if she was in some way deceived. I would not put my MLCer above lieing to her. I suppose I will never know.
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Re: What is life with the OW like?
#44: March 15, 2015, 02:16:53 AM
According to SIL, H's sister, life is pretty grim. He has been deeply unhappy since the brief honeymoon phase wore off. She has borderline personality disorder I believe. Apparently they row constantly and she screams and throws things at H. She has also punched him several times. No girly punch either. She is aggressive and violent. They have a child together, over a year old now. I believe H wants to get full custody but she scuppered his plans. I believe he doesn't want to leave because of the baby. SIL says they are living together but not together as a couple more often than not. Still lots of drama. But that's as much as I know. I don't ask and he doesn't tell me. Not happy ever after, that's for sure!
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Re: What is life with the OW like?
#45: March 15, 2015, 02:24:10 AM
It is generally accepted that MLCers lie.

Mine lied, that's for sure. To his family, his friends, his hypnotherapist, and probably to the OW too. I believe my reputation is in the dumps right now, and because of that, there would be no chance of reconciliation. That's his doing.

Take this scenario for example. Have you ever had a friend who dumped his ex for another, and when he b*tches about the ex, you tell him that you've always thought the ex was a low-life wh*re who looked as if she got run over by a car or something similarly scathing, but you couldn't tell him that then? Now, if this friend is in MLC and exits the tunnel one day, how embarrassing would it be for him to reconcile with the ex. There are ways to justify one's actions without burning bridges.

The deeper he digs the more difficult it is to climb out. I think mine dug 6 feet deep.
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« Last Edit: March 15, 2015, 02:25:21 AM by paradigmshift »
"Plans disappear, dreams take over."

"The thing that sets Christianity apart from other religions is The Cross. When we displace The Cross and its uniqueness, we go back to living by a set of rules - human psychology. Human psychology can tell you what’s wrong, but it cannot enable you to do what’s right." ~ Walk by faith, not by reasoning

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Re: What is life with the OW like?
#46: March 15, 2015, 02:27:25 AM
Apparently they row constantly and she screams and throws things at H. She has also punched him several times. No girly punch either. She is aggressive and violent.

If I were living with my MLCer right now I would be doing that too. Oh, actually I did that months before BD. Now I understand what MLC is, I just walk away. No, I run.

Actually I'm not sorry I did that. Better than being bald from tearing my hair out.
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« Last Edit: March 15, 2015, 02:29:04 AM by paradigmshift »
"Plans disappear, dreams take over."

"The thing that sets Christianity apart from other religions is The Cross. When we displace The Cross and its uniqueness, we go back to living by a set of rules - human psychology. Human psychology can tell you what’s wrong, but it cannot enable you to do what’s right." ~ Walk by faith, not by reasoning

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Re: What is life with the OW like?
#47: March 15, 2015, 02:51:08 AM
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I have to say i too have vacillated between was the OW conned by my XH or was she predatory.  However, after having seen some of the early texts between her and XH- plus the fact that she sent such a graphic picture of herself less than two months into her affair with XH - i no longer ponder whether she is a victim.  I know she made a very planned and distinct move to entice XH.  That to me is predatory and very deliberate.  Having said this i do believe that as their relationship progressed she needed to buy into XH's lies to justify her behaviour.

OW was also cruel in her dealings with me - never spoken- but through deeds.  For example, about four weeks after BD i had to go back to what had been my home for 13 years with XH to fetch some stuff and OW made sure that when i walked into the house i got the message loud and clear that she was now in the house, she left a cake cooling off on the counter, left other belongings of hers including her vibrator out in the open on the counter for me to see openly what was going on.  She was making it very clear she was now the woman in his life. She was marking her territory like a bob cat. That to me lacks compassion.  Whatever the MLCers has said to the OW i really do not think it warrants this level of spite.

There was also an incidence where she was deliberately cruel.  This was before BD - I was told by XH he was going away for business - he did travel a lot for work.  XH and i because we live in a country with a high crime rate of which car hijackings are common, had this agreement were we would check in when he traveled.  He would text or phone me when he arrived at the airport and text me once he landed.  On this particular day he didn't text me so i phoned only to get hold of this woman on the other end - initially i thought i phoned the wrong number so i tried again only to keep getting hold of this woman.  I made several phone calls and when she started ignoring the calls.  I called from a land line which she then answered with the same reply that the mobile was her phone.  At this point i am very stressed i am convinced XH has been hijacked and that thieves had his mobile.  I phone tracker - its a security company that offers a car tracking service in our country.  No sooner i phoned the company my XH phones from his mobile - i burst into tears relieved he is okay, i tell him the story which he finds amusing and says it was probably a cross line (in my naivety i believe him not realizing mobiles cannot get cross-lines and especially considering i phoned several times not only from my mobile but from a land-line).  Here he is laughing at my distress, however when i tell him i have just phoned tracker he got really angry.  At the time again in my naivety i believed his version of events and i put his behaviour down to insensitivity.  It was only many, many months after BD that i figured out what had happened.  The woman on the other end of the line was the OW and Xh's reaction of finding it funny, followed by the anger was that if tracker had gone out he would have been caught in his affair.

I often wonder how both XH and OW could have played such a cruel "joke".  At this point in our M i am being super supportive of XH thinking he is depressed, not reacting but responding - really at this stage i had as yet given no cause for XH's anger or mean spirited behaviour.  As for OW how could she be so spiteful, how could she take pleasure at some-one else's distress.   In all my anger towards the two of them i have never hit back and believe me i could (i have evidence that XH was cheating on OW with several OW's).  While i came close many times to sending the evidence (i would have sent it anonymously, XH does not know to this day i have this evidence, so i would not have been a suspect) something always held me back. 

In the space i am now i realize that i could never have lived with my guilt if i had hurt another to the extent that this would have hurt XH and OW.  Yet they were able to hurt another for no other reason that it brought them pleasure and joy in that moment as their behaviour bandied them together against what they perceived to be their "foe", me.  Really i could see OW pulling the wings off flies out a macabre sense of pleasure. 

To this day i am still at a loss to the workings of the human mind that would allow any form of cruelty, i am unable to understand how a rapist does what he does, or a murdered does what they do - i just cannot put myself in that mind set and i do not believe that psychology can really explain it - that's just me.  Because of this i often feel disconnected and very confused from that part of our human nature.

Anyway back to XH and OW. Its done know - realizing the level that XH stooped really set me free because up until this revelation i still perceived XH to be this kind, generous and loving man.  But now i know different.  Whatever my flaws, whatever needs XH felt i did not meet - its certainly did not justify that level of behaviour.  I have come to understand the dynamics of an affair.  the man feels bored, is unsatisfied by the direction life has taken, possibly even has a sense of failure - so when a much younger woman comes along and makes you feel like a hero and alive again it is a very strong temptation.  What i cannot understand is the spite and the cruelty especially when not provocative.  Its this aspect of my XH that i cannot reconcile with the man i thought he was and quite frankly MLC does not justify it or explain it to me either because i believe we can rise above the darkness within - the fact that MLCers have those moments of clarity and feel bad about what they have done proves that.

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Re: What is life with the OW like?
#48: March 15, 2015, 04:55:38 AM
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There is do doubt in my mind that the fantasy wears off -
My really question is - and then what?

In my situation, I wonder if H will just hunker down in the relationship.
Apparently he hunkered with me for 20 years  :P
  Wow, my thoughts EXACTLY.  I know that NO ONE knows the future, but apparently my w "hunkered down with me" as well for 20 years.  I know some MLCers are strong enough to face the damage they have done and make an attempt to return home, so I don't want anyone to get discouraged.  However, in my sitch-I imagine my w will just do the same:  hunker down and live with it.  Even if she does end up having regrets, I imagine she will take them to the grave with her.  I could easily be wrong, but that is what my gut says about my sitch.  She is too "proud" to ever admit being wrong, and has an extremely difficult time uttering the words "I'm sorry".

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l think the same with mine T and l doubt she'd ever back step now no matter what .
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Re: What is life with the OW like?
#49: March 15, 2015, 05:17:58 AM
I was talking to a young woman last nights who's we mother left her father for OM. Classic MLC. She mentioned to me that she knows her mom has "settling" for OM because her father is done and will never take her back.

I think a lot of the MLCers probably believe that, true or not. They know what they've done to us is so cruel and heartless that they do settle.
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