Just found this thread.
Exh was 40 at BD but his depression started at 38 when his business failed, so could be then.
As for pal, not sure, he has had many but he did buy a sports car when he was 40, which he has now sold because he could not afford it. Got told he had a heart problem at 30 which sent him a bit loopy, and now at 43 because of health and work issues but seems more depressed than a mlc start. Not sure when his anger really started as did not know him then, but I should say 30 possibly, although he has been depressed most of his life so many mlc??