[Roma]

Hi xyzcf,

I meant more of a scientific thinker. It's very hard to explain yet I wanted to know more about what Velika meant.

Thanks for the article, I'll take a look at it

[Velika]

Elegance I feel you are engaging in mild type of harassment.

I think focus of this thread is self explanatory. Please do not tank this thread with semantics debate.

Some people are interested in forces, energy, vibration. This is a thread for that!

[LEC16]

Elegance I feel you are engaging in mild type of harassment.

I think focus of this thread is self explanatory. Please do not tank this thread with semantics debate.

Some people are interested in forces, energy, vibration. This is a thread for that!

I really enjoy this topic Velika. I definitely think it is worth looking at a connection between mlc and evil from a spiritual perspective. I think almost everyone thinks scientifically first, so Elegance isn't unique in that respect,I think the difference is some of us are open to the possibility of a spiritual element being part of the mlc. Obviously natural explanations should be considered first, but I feel everyone is basically doing that. I think some people think they need to choose between dcience and faith, when the reality is they are incredibly compatible. I feel science provides the best proof for the existence of god. This again brings us to a universe with a good and evil force. It you accept the existence of good and evil it is easy to see why someone would question if mlc is being influenced by evil.

[Roma]

Velika,

Im sorry you feel that way. I'm not doing that in the least I know people w/ a neurological disease I care for.I feel you have the definition wrong. so I went to get the definitions for you. It's hardly  semantics.

I am not of your same religion as you so kindly xyzcf answered what I had been asking you for me to understand better. I'm sorry if it offends you to teach me what you mean.

Could you be angry at something else?

LEC,

You've been doing a lot of guessing. No, I'm sorry, I believe in God.

[Velika]

Velika,

Im sorry you feel that way. I'm not doing that in the least I know people w/ a neurological disease I care for.I feel you have the definition wrong. so I went to get the definitions for you. It's hardly  semantics.

I am not of your same religion as you so kindly xyzcf answered what I had been asking you for me to understand better. I'm sorry if it offends you to teach me what you mean.

Could you be angry at something else?

LEC,

You've been doing a lot of guessing. No, I'm sorry, I believe in God.

My comment was meant as, well intentioned, easy going request to just keep the thread focused on initial topic. If you read through you can see there are lots of ways to consist "evil" or "possession" and from all sorts of lines of inquiry, whether strictly religious to humanistic/philosophical.

Yes, we all know there are ideas of science vs faith etc but there is so much we don't know. This can be a fun or a serious topic!

[nah]

Velika,

Im sorry you feel that way. I'm not doing that in the least I know people w/ a neurological disease I care for.I feel you have the definition wrong. so I went to get the definitions for you. It's hardly  semantics.

I am not of your same religion as you so kindly xyzcf answered what I had been asking you for me to understand better. I'm sorry if it offends you to teach me what you mean.

Could you be angry at something else?

Really?? 

Asked bluntly, asked nicely.  Doesn't matter.

What does it take??

[LEC16]

Velika,

Im sorry you feel that way. I'm not doing that in the least I know people w/ a neurological disease I care for.I feel you have the definition wrong. so I went to get the definitions for you. It's hardly  semantics.

I am not of your same religion as you so kindly xyzcf answered what I had been asking you for me to understand better. I'm sorry if it offends you to teach me what you mean.

Could you be angry at something else?

LEC,

You've been doing a lot of guessing. No, I'm sorry, I believe in God.

Elegance, I never assumed you didn't, but you mention that you wanted to understand the topic better. I just wanted to show how a simple belief in good and evil is basically a religious belief if you accept that there is absolute truth.  I guess my intent was to provide proof that good and evil were real and then make a connection to mlc. I think we all, atheists included, have more religious beliefs than we think and using consistent logic we can open our minds more. Again, never assumed you were a non believer, but I thought if I approached your questions like I was starting from scratch it would better resonate with you. I like being challenged and thought you were honestly looking for clarity. I didn't expect you to agree, but I wanted to do my best to help you understand my position. I apologize if I took this thread off course.

[Velika]

I apologize if I took this thread off course.

You didn't at all! I hope you keep posting to this thread.

Sometimes I feel I have gotten so used to new persona of MLCer that I forget how shocking the behavior is initially. I think a huge part of the trauma of LBS is in fact the personality change and "trance like" behavior so many of us observe.

My husband was acting like he was being indoctrinated into a cult when he left. I still remember the sort of dreamy-mesmerized expression he wore, seemingly oblivious/indifferent to the trauma he was causing.

I think any rational person could see this was like a lemming walking toward the edge of a cliff. But how come he couldn't see this? Why act elated as the people he until recently loved the best were so obviously hurt?

Updated to add: Why the "pied piper" effect in post bomb drop MLCer? Has anyone else observed this?

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Definition of neurology for English Language Learners
medical : the scientific study of the nervous system and the diseases that affect it

neu·ro·log·i·cal
/ˌn(y)o͝orəˈläjəkəl/
adjective
1.
relating to the disorders of nerves and the nervous system:
"neurological diseases

Definition of neurotransmitter for English Language Learners
medical : a substance in the body that carries a signal from one nerve cell to another

You provide very simple definitions for English language learners to debate a doctor on the relationship between neurology and neurotransmitters?

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I've been reflecting on this some more today. Whether you agree that the MLCer is possessed or not, there definitely can be a shift in personalities that seem like totally different people.

After a bout of Monster at lunch today, I have come to the conclusion that my husband seems to shift back and forth between 4 personalities:

• The man that I know and loved all these years and who loves me. This one mostly comes out when we are alone together and is pleasant, relaxed and even in some ways more responsible than before.
• The man that chose to take the MLC actions. This one seems to be starting to feel depressed about his life and misses being Personality 1. He's withdrawing and thinking.
• His father. This is the "nasty" demon. This is the one that rages and has the stiffness of Schwarznegger in the Terminator. He mainly comes out with OW, a much lesser extent with me. After telling this personality our relationship was over forever 8 days ago, personality 1 suddenly took the reins back and broke down. I have not been attacked by this personality in 8 days except one time when it told me to go to hell as it was coming and going. But it may have had its mind on OW at the time. I also have seen it once since then talking about OW to me.
• The 18 year old. This one mainly comes out at meals, and makes fun of others at the table. For example, today he poked fun at everyone's teeth, because one has some missing, another has a cracked one, and my teeth are perfect so he made up a lie and said I had two false teeth. He also is obsessed with engaging in detailed criticism of the food that has been cooked. He was complaining about something I made today and I was not tolerating it and he asked me why I was always pushing back at him. I told him because he was embarrassing me in front of everyone else. He said he does it with everyone. I said "yes, and it's not acceptable that you do it with any of us." I got up and left the room. After a couple minutes of putting dishes in the dishwasher, I heard Personality 1 call my name like he was a bit worried about me having left the room.