[Velika]

Okay, don't laugh ... I haven't totally lost my mind. I'm not sure I even believe in "phenomena" -- so this is really just a discussion to entertain the theoretical idea and hear others' impressions.

The reason this came up is that my son recently met OW and noted a very unusual physical feature that has a nefarious meaning. He also told me two accounts of her height; one in which she was so tall she had to stoop to enter through a doorway, and the next where she was much shorter. She also has stuff online that references esoteric pursuits and even magic/voodoo.

I know I have read people who come out of MLC sometimes say it was like they were possessed. Many LBS have observed many look like they are in a trance or "soulless" at times. This may just be a descriptive -- but do you think there is something more to this? Is there some dark spiritual force or energy at play in MLC?

I'm really just curious and hope no one finds this topic alarming or offensive.

[Thunder]

Velika, you did make me laugh.  I'm not laughing at you.

Go I believe in the devil?  Yes, I do.
I'm not sure this has anything to do with MLC but I think their dark side does listen to the devil encouraging them.  Telling them it will be easier to do the wrong thing.  The right thing is too hard.

In their weak condition responsibility or honor is difficult.

[in it]

This one made me laugh a bit too Velika.

Reminds me of a story many months before BD and D:
I was in the kitchen making dinner..
My oldest D was in the living room reading a book.

 All is quiet.
In the distance we can hear ex h's car coming down the road ( it was a diesel)
It pulls in the driveway. Idles for a minute. Then shuts off.

Total quiet again.

The car door slams.

Oldest D says quietly

" Well (pause) Beelzebubs home"

( I had to stop laughing before he got in the house)

The ex always was the devil..I just didn't know it. Or maybe refused to believe it. 

I do believe there is a devil? You betcha

[Anjae]

I know I have read people who come out of MLC sometimes say it was like they were possessed. Many LBS have observed many look like they are in a trance or "soulless" at times. This may just be a descriptive -- but do you think there is something more to this?

No, it is the depression, overt or covert.

Is there some dark spiritual force or energy at play in MLC?

We are on the second half of the second decade of the XXI century, not on the X or XII century. Mental illness is not a demonic possession.

Your husband's OW may be into esoteric pursuits and magic/voodoo, but that is her stuff, it has nothing to do with your husband's MLC.

There may be one or other LBS whose spouse alienator is into esoteric pursuits and magic/voodoo., but must of us do not.
 

[Sally Wood]

I so believe in the devil.  I have watched many Forensic Files or American Greed shows and the eyes of people who have done awful things - like steal people's life savings and become obsessed with material possessions or  murder someone - are black and empty. 

Shark eyes.  Very much like the eyes of MLCers in Monster mode.  Once a person lies and cheats they open the door to the Devil and the path spirals downward. The Devil is a trickster. The promise of fabulous and passionate sex forever.  How often have you read that the affair down ends badly. The promise of unlimited freedom and fun if you just destroy the wife and kids.  How often have you read that they wind up broken, aged and unhappy.

So many posters have given the MLCer up to God and I too prayed that He would save my husband and bring him back to God even if  we were not together.  I just wanted to see him rescued from the madness that I knew would destroy his life.



 

[bipolared]

Not sure if I believe in the Devil but definitely in evil spirits.  I somehow got a lot of comfort in reading stuff by Sylvia Browne and James Van Pragh, even though they are more talking about the afterlife.
LP wrote something really interesting one time, I wish I could remember the thread.  Her XH was just unhinged and violent and she was saying she saw him possessed or taken over by something.

[KeepItTogether]

Oldest D says quietly

" Well (pause) Beelzebubs home"

( I had to stop laughing before he got in the house)

The ex always was the devil..I just didn't know it. Or maybe refused to believe it. 

Definitely think my H is the devil on certain days. 

[Absolutely Fabulous]

The Ex's AD looks like a lizard. Literally, my kids call her Golum. They said she looks like a lizard. And she's into New Age everything. Don't know if that counts. But since he's been with her, he has walked away from Christianity. Completely. So, there may be something to it.

[BBhelp]

I was trying to think how to answer this one...because it is something that still freaks my wife out to this day, and I really don't know how to articulate what I feel on this.

Her answer is:  Evil is Real, and there are evil forces at work in this world.

She has said that for a long time, after a lot of counseling...and for a while when she said it, it would really tick me off.  Because it felt like a a cop out for her actions or the actions of whomever we were talking about.  So I would preach along about personal responsibility, listening to your conscience, and that the ultimate decision was always with the individual...no some unseen force. We went around that one for a long time.  It was then that she would articulate as best she could the battle that went on in her head...how her inner voice changed and how she felt so alone and confused...that the voice and reason that had always been there was suddenly missing and how disorienting that was, how it made her question everything...because everything looked, felt and seemed different through the eyes and ears of this new version of conscience. 

All I can tell you is this...I believe in God and I believe in the Devil...and I do know that I have never been more afraid of anything or anyone in my life than that thing that was masquerading as my wife while she was fighting her own internal battle locked in her room.  Looking in those eyes and seeing what she was like was like nothing I have ever seen before.  Do I think she needed an exorcism to rid herself of a demon that would immediately cure her MLC...No, of course not.  But is there evil in the world...unfortunately, of course there is.  So for me...it is not that far to stretch to believe that evil feasts on misery & deception and it lives in the dark with lies and doubt...some people are vulnerable to MLC because of life events, trauma and tragedy...MLC takes those things and uses them against the vulnerable person causing Misery, Deception and Pain.  To me...MLC is just a fertile breeding ground.  IMO, I believe that MLC is a form of mental illness that manifests during certain periods to certain predisposed people...I have nothing to hang that on other than personal experience and a lot of others personal experience.  But believing that it is mental illness does not preclude me from also seeing how evil can work within this illness.   

I don't know if I agreed or disagreed with your premise V...

Stay Strong.

BB   

[nah]

Demons?...Angels?... Or mental Illness?...

There were more than a few weird experiences in the early days.

Hours before BD, I walked in on husband when I thought he was talking a nap.  He was laying in bed with his eyes wide open...sweating, shaking, I have described it as looking like he was being tormented by a serial killer.  After reading this thread, a demon sounds more appropriate.

Then days later when he walked out the door for the last time, he looked straight at me with what I have described as a "demonic stare" and said, "I don't love you".  He was so stiff, I remember being more horrified with his look and walk, something I have never seen him do in 30 years, then the words he spoke. 

That was him.... I had my own experiences.

A week after he left, I had not slept at all, I mean not at all.  I refer to that time as having hallucinations, some seemed so real.  I went to the courthouse and filed for divorce.  They sent me to the sheriffs office without directions.  I was sobbing like crazy and driving like a maniac, trying to find the stupid building.  I remember running off of a curb, going the wrong way (hard to see through the tears) probably about 40-50 mph.  I heard a voice in my ear whisper "stop", I skidded to a stop.  A car came flying through the intersection right at me.  They beeped their horn and screamed at me, but if I didn't stop we would have collided. 

My own inner voice?...an angel?...

I know it sounds crazy.  Whatever it was, I'm thankful that I made it to the other side.

Interesting thread.