[LEC16]

Elegance-Someone who is possessed in the most simple terms acts like someone other than themselves. Their voice or accent may change, their physical posture and gestures may change, their behavior changes. The things that they want or demand or say are not the sort of things that they would normally do. They may not even remember what happened later because it wasn't them who did it. All that is left of themselves is the body itself.

Great answer, very well put. I think we see multiple personalities which is confusing, but I believe multiple personalities use different names and mlc'ers don't. The other part is regression, as Elegance points out we see a younger version of our spouse which feels like a different personality. To me the eye change coinciding with personality changes is the scariest part. I'm sure it could be, or even likely is neurological but I think it's interesting to consider that it could also be spiritual. The fact that they reject values, religion, and love, suggests mlc is a spiritual attack. I'm not saying this is the case, but it is fascinating to discuss.

[Roma]

LEC,

I highly doubt it's neurological. I agree MLC is fascinating if we weren't the LBS lol. C4E Thanks.

[LEC16]

LEC,

I highly doubt it's neurological. I agree MLC is fascinating if we weren't the LBS lol. C4E Thanks.

Probably true, but I heard somewhere that personality changes in midlife adults are often due to neurological disorders. I was surprised. The person also talked about hormones and the gut. They weren't discussing mlc, but why not as the symptoms fit.

[Roma]

Hi LEC,

I have an idea where you got that from. A Nerological disorder is strictly having to do with diseases of the central nervous system and nerves only.  I don't know anything about gut health.

 

[osb]

I have an idea where you got that from. A Nerological disorder is strictly having to do with diseases of the central nervous system and nerves only.  I don't know anything about gut health.

Oh, but our brain bones are connected to our neck bones, and our knee bones, etc etc. Our microbiome influences our stress responses. And everything we consider to be biological (neurological) could also be read as spiritual, as we use our neurotransmitters to think those thoughts which contain our spirituality. We are indeed a $10 bag of chemicals that has managed over the millennia to learn to use those chemicals to debate god, morality and the devil as brightly as happens on this thread, and also to generate the concept of a periodic table of elements with which we then learn to understand our own chemical makeup. I can't think of these ideas as binary.

[Roma]

I have an idea where you got that from. A Nerological disorder is strictly having to do with diseases of the central nervous system and nerves only.  I don't know anything about gut health.

Oh, but our brain bones are connected to our neck bones, and our knee bones, etc etc. Our microbiome influences our stress responses. And everything we consider to be biological (neurological) could also be read as spiritual, as we use our neurotransmitters to think those thoughts which contain our spirituality. We are indeed a $10 bag of chemicals that has managed over the millennia to learn to use those chemicals to debate god, morality and the devil as brightly as happens on this thread, and also to generate the concept of a periodic table of elements with which we then learn to understand our own chemical makeup. I can't think of these ideas as binary.

Neurological/Neurological disorders and Neurotransmitters are two different things.

[osb]

Neurological/Neurological disorders and Neurotransmitters are two different things.

The one is comprised of the actions of the other, and the structures that house them. Not as different as all that (though yes I'm simplifying; and yes, fwiw I do study both of these things for a living)

There was a fascinating study of empathy in pre-verbal infants - they showed simple pictures of a green dot struggling to climb a hill, and then two blue dots either ganging up to push the green dot down, or 'helping' the green dot crawl up - and these wee babies actually became physiologically distressed (squinched faces, heart racing) when the blue dots were mean, and smiled when they were helpful. Whether you consider babies to be pre-religion or uniquely blessed, you could certainly sense they knew right from wrong (even before they could know what those words meant!). They were upset to see one object be mean to another, even before they could anthropomorphize those objects as people. That study kind of reaffirmed my faith in the goodness of our common humanity. Whether one ascribes that light to the kindness of god, or an intrinsic feature, would of course vary among belief systems.

[Velika]

I have an idea where you got that from. A Nerological disorder is strictly having to do with diseases of the central nervous system and nerves only.  I don't know anything about gut health.

Oh, but our brain bones are connected to our neck bones, and our knee bones, etc etc. Our microbiome influences our stress responses. And everything we consider to be biological (neurological) could also be read as spiritual, as we use our neurotransmitters to think those thoughts which contain our spirituality. We are indeed a $10 bag of chemicals that has managed over the millennia to learn to use those chemicals to debate god, morality and the devil as brightly as happens on this thread, and also to generate the concept of a periodic table of elements with which we then learn to understand our own chemical makeup. I can't think of these ideas as binary.

Neurological/Neurological disorders and Neurotransmitters are two different things.

Elegance, you have really studied Hearts Blessing and understand MLC through her model. Your knowledge of her writing is very helpful in many threads!

A gentle request however this seems to come up more than once. Hearts Blessing and RCR have amazing descriptive synopsis of MLC. However, some of us want to explore from a different angle -- biological or spiritual, or other way of understanding human behavior.

Juat as I can't say RCR is wrong or HB is wrong -- we simply do not know what is happening to all of our spouses that makes them all behave so out of character and yet so similarly to others who have same symptoms.

Some people believe the earth has been entering a new dimension since 2012 and that time is speeding up and our collective consciousness is shifting. RCR writes a lot about Jung, who wrote a lot about the idea of possession even from a humanist and psychoanalytical perspective. Some people on this forum have heard directly from a recovered MLCer that they felt they had experienced demonic possession. It is truly fascinating, especially to note that just like MLCers often use the same language, recovered MLCers use the same language as well.

Maybe we can keep this thread focused on the discussion of the spiritual aspect of MLC, including how this may overlap with other ways to look at the crisis (e.g. neurological, emotional maturation, etc).

[Roma]

Definition of neurology for English Language Learners
medical : the scientific study of the nervous system and the diseases that affect it

neu·ro·log·i·cal
/ˌn(y)o͝orəˈläjəkəl/
adjective
1.
relating to the disorders of nerves and the nervous system:
"neurological diseases

Definition of neurotransmitter for English Language Learners
medical : a substance in the body that carries a signal from one nerve cell to another


Thank you Velika, yet I have read more than RCR or HB and very well versed in neurology. I admit I am more scientific then 'spiritual' that is why I was trying to understand your definition of 'demonic possessions'.

RCR and HB have wonderful articles on what the LBS can do and survive. Not so much on MLC. Their articles are about focusing on ourselves. To get our own life.

They are both LBS's that went through this and giving us a helping hand about Self Focus.

They are both back with their H.

[xyzcf]

I admit I am more scientific then 'spiritual' that is why I was trying to understand your definition of 'demonic possessions'.

I would like to change the term "demonic possession" to a different terminology. Perhaps evil influence might cover this more broadly.

There was a good article today that might explain  what is meant when we are being influenced by the devil

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/mamaneedscoffee/2017/03/when-the-devil-gets-you-down-and-why-christians-need-to-talk-about-him/

Elegance, you have mentioned more than once that you are more scientific...I am not sure if you think you cannot be a scientist and believe in God and satan. If so, I would like to clarify this.

Several of my Christian friends are scientists, for some reason, many personal friends have phd's and post doc's  in physics. Several as well are physicians, nurses and many other careers that are heavily weighted in science.

 Religion and science are not separate entities. You can have both faith and also be immersed in science.