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#30: November 09, 2016, 07:36:10 AM
I think he tapped into people's anger and frustration with Congress getting nothing done, so they choose him.  Good Lord.   ::)
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#31: November 09, 2016, 07:45:36 AM
I think when frightens me most is not just this sexist, racist etc. man who's own state didn't vote for him won, it's all the people that cosigned his vision by voting for him that has gotten me down. Really felt the days of bigots were over, until I woke up today and realized the majority of people who voted, really still are.

Not looking forward to what's next at all.
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#32: November 09, 2016, 07:57:45 AM
Yes, you absolutely right!
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Re: U.S. Election
#33: November 09, 2016, 08:05:07 AM
I think he tapped into people's anger and frustration with Congress getting nothing done, so they choose him.  Good Lord.   ::)

This is EXACTLY right... And you want to know what? IT ISN'T GOING TO CHANGE because CONGRESS hasn't changed... I still say that the pay and benefits are perverse in comparison... And congressional term limits should be established...

Public service is a privilege and should be a temporary job... Then one should have to go back to being a real worker again and not be able to lobby for a defined period of years...
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#34: November 09, 2016, 08:11:51 AM
I really, really tried to understand the people who were supporting Kim Don Trump--at first I thought it was the un or under employed working class--yes the jobs left the country.  Then, of course he appealed to racism and sexism and several other -isms and phobias.  When it comes down to it, Trump played on emotional reactions [anger and fear] and it worked like a charm.

A few months ago, I wouldn't have believed that Clinton, who comes from a middle class background, was viewed as the elite and millionaire's son Trump was the working class hero.
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#35: November 09, 2016, 08:13:58 AM
Sadly, I am not surprised that Trump won - this election was more about Hilary losing than about Trump winning. They underestimated how much people hate Hilary. If Bernie had been the democratic candidate, he would have won.

It is going to be a long 4 years.
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Re: U.S. Election
#36: November 09, 2016, 08:35:11 AM
I do find it interesting that the TV announcers are now saying that
the Clinton supporters are going to go through the 5 stages of grief
and that the rest of us should give them TIME and SPACE.

Just amazing how much this election is also following
a script.

I will now shut up and listen.

I hope that LOVE will prevail.
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#37: November 09, 2016, 08:49:01 AM
Around here, the Midwest, he tapped in to

Anger at Obama.  Hatred for the healthcare system he created for example.  Hatred and feeling left out of prosperity seen on both coasts and big urban areas.  Feelings of being voiceless.  Feeling like the working people are totally ignored and looked down on.  Anger that we give free health and benefits to people on public aid and those that work get screwed and punished for working.  Anger the jobs are going overseas and the us government helps this with subsidies.  They loved trumps line about those companies not getting to sell her anymore. 

Anger at a lack of accountability and personal responsibility.  About the cities seeing them as dumb hicks who are less important than they are.

About Obama not being seen as ever risking or working hard for anything like they have to every day.  About the opportunities he had that they didn't.

About Obama being nothing like them.  And failing with the trust they bought in to in his two elections. 

Angry about to changes in the culture of the us. 

Angry about their needs being ignored.  And then lectured to and looked down on.

And yes there is a degree of racism.  And a degree of dislike for lgbt issues like gay marriage here.  But its more of the thought that time was wasted on those non issues.  They don't want to have it on the TV news.  One said to me, "my marriage wasn't on the news so what makes anyone think I care if these people get married or not.  I just don't care.  Its not my business.  Why shouldn't they have a chance to be just as miserable as the rest of us. Talk to me about jobs."

And there is a serious problem with women.  And its women towards women.  We see it everyday here on this forum.  When one is praised others claim abuse and neglect.  When one states a personal opinion, others rush to take sides.  We have women who think its ok to have gotten with their h even though at the time he was with another woman.  But now they are shocked and devastated he left them for an ow.  We have women here who are furious with the ow and blame her while a hundred excuses are made for the husband.  Oh he's sick.  Must never say anything tough to him.  We have male posters here who repeat the same things women here have said over and over and the men are treated like they have deep new insight and the women like they are just b!tches who don't understand. 

We see it in jury selection.  Women want to differentiate themselves from female victims of crimes.  They tend to still use the position that the women was dressed like a ho so what did she expect for example.

Many women see other women as competitors not sisters.  And life as a zero sum game.  And men as the ultimate fashion status symbol.  How many of you pre bd had friends who divorced and kind of dropped them as friends?  Then thought, that could never happen in my marriage...(setting yourself apart). How many women were angry with her for not leaving Bill when he cheated?  How many assumed she stayed for political power and money rather than for her marriage? 

It wasn't just men that hated Hillary for being a woman.  Women were just as deadly about that.  Crabs in a bucket.  One never escapes as the rest turn on her.

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Re: U.S. Election
#38: November 09, 2016, 09:00:56 AM
As a UK Citizen I can only sympathise with the sick feeling many of you probably woke up to, if you got any sleep in the first place.  I had the same feeling on 24 June after the Brexit vote.  As with MLC, time passes. 

I do feel sad that the first woman candidate had to put up with the amount she did (not to mention comments about her H - though what that's got to do with her I can't imagine as I thought they were separate people and as we all know, you cannot control what your spouse does...), regardless of what people think of her past actions, during the campaign.  We should be celebrating and lifting up our gender whenever and wherever we can.

As a global community we can only hope that Trump will act as a figurehead and leave the politicking to people who know what they're doing, but I for one won't be holding my breath.

My heart goes out to you all across the Pond.

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Re: U.S. Election
#39: November 09, 2016, 09:11:39 AM
I have seen people posting the same quotes about the election results that I see here on this site.

So true, like a national MLC.
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