[1trouble]

OOOOOHHHHHH!!

I am so glad this thread is continuing

in reply to Anjae on the previous thread

1trouble, we feel that way because that is how the leave framed things: we do not want EU citiens here. I read the British press on a daily basis, I am well aware how the whole business went down and how Leave won. If anything, I read European press far less than British and American one.

No Anjae this is not how the leave campaign framed things, this is how the remain campaign framed things and how the British press in favour of the remain framed things AND the European parliament framed things.....please provide me with some evidence for this statement and I will apologise.....because IMO this is the BIG problem Anjae you have been lead into your views by the PRESS and their view/intepretation of the leave campaign, it is skewed and it goes back to the points I made in prior posts.....
.the vast majority of people I know, the people who took part in subsequent post brexit phone in's....., the people who took part in the post brexit discussion programs that were NOT edited, were angry of how they were judged and portrayed........they were not against Europeans.........., they voted for all the points I raised in previous posts, the beauracracy, the uncontrollable numbers coming here, the way the original European trading platform had started to turn into a European Federal State...
But you will NEVER read this unbiased/balanced view because the press is PRO remain so they will paint the leavers as bigoted, uneducated uninformed and Euro 'haters' etc.....

The UK has and never lost its sovereignty, it has never lost its borders (it does not have Schengen). The whole we want our sovereignty and our borders back talk is just it, talk..... 
 

Oh NO, Anjae you totally demean what for many British is the fundamental argument .....you are minimalizing what is the key facts and getting emotional over things which are not the main driver for the British people........see how you have been mislead by the media???
Our Sovereignty WAS being eroded AND, its NOT just "Schengen" as you keep mentioning, this is only one part of it.........we were losing control of what we as a country could decide, our laws for example were being overruled AND Jean-claude was about to move to a European Army.....amongst other things....

I believe our parliament would have become like our Royal Family IMO and would have been puppets ...and its not just me, THESE were REAL fears for a lot of British people.........and I totally believe, if the vote had been for remain we would have sold our "British" souls..... to the unelected and REAL faceless rulers of the EU.

You may had not vote to keep out of a British Univeristy, but that is what is going to happen. And not just with me, with many. Same for business, many business are leaving the UK, planning to leave and those who were thinking of starting a business there no longer are.

Since Scotland wants to remain in the EU I am not certain how the whole thing is going to turn up.

I crossed England off my list after leave won, not before.

 

Anjea by your own admission YOU don't want to come here anymore, because you have believed the press (British or European)that's your choice....as for business REALLY!! are you telling me that businesses will vote with their emotions as you've done....really?!?!

As for Scotland, well Nicola Sturgeon is the Queen of divisive politics so we will see on that one....

To my knowldege, the UK is, and always was, opened to the rest of the world on its own terms.

Emmm!! actually NO!! The EU dictated the terms and we were not allowed to negotiate with any country outside of the EU....The EU negotiated on our behalf and to give you an example, the trading terms with Canada (I think) has ONLY just been concluded and took them SEVEN years to negotiate!  UTTER madness

Cameron knew he was not going to get more than what the UK already had, which is a lot compared with many EU countries. Why would the UK be given even more special previleges? 

EHMMM!!
1) we were about to vote on remaining or leaving!
2) there were fundamental problems the UK voters had made clear in our last election and which the EU knew



[Quote from: 1trouble on November 10, 2016, 05:00:02 AM]

At the moment in the area I live they cannot build enough homes, there is a big homeless problem,even though they are building on every time bit of land that comes available, it takes over two weeks to get an appointment at the doctors, it takes nearly an hour to drive somewhere which should only take 20 minutes, the trains aBrusselsre fit to bursting, the schools don't have places for the amount of pupils, everywhere is getting more and more crammed full, rents are going up and up, the price of properly too, its now impossible for most young people to ever be able to afford to buy their own home...............these are facts of life in the UK today
[/quote]

I know. I think people are aware. None of that has anything to do with the EU. Those are internaL issues of the UK. They may have more to do with a Tory goverment, or even previous not so good Labour ones. Other EU, or non EU or non European countries have similar problems. Those are for the governement of each country to solve.

EU bureaucrats will not be impacted by UK leaving, ordinary people, in the EU and in the UK will.

yes you have a valid point here and I do believe some of the problems we have with our housing and infrastructure is under investment by numerous UK governments....HOWEVER....we have also had unprecedented levels of immigration
In 1996 the UK population was 58.6 million rising to 60 million in 2006.

Since 2006 until the present day the UK population has risen to 65.1 million.

Whereas I take your point in previous government underinvestment, you cannot deny we are facing a HUGE increase in population as a small island and face real problems, on top of this, being part of the EU meant and means we do not know how many people could suddenly come here and when you cannot plan you are in a constant state of reaction......It is placing unprecedented stress on all public services in even reacting to demand and makes forward planning impossible.
Whereas other EU countries no doubt face this to some degree, the UK seems to be the place of choice for many because of our current buoyant economy.

The funny thing is that the reerendum is not legally binding.

Again this is debatable, yes technically referendums are not legally binding, however there are a whole raft of laws and constitutional things that could mean its just that a technicality. 
However, given all politicians supposedly work for the people and believe in our polictical system, it would be absolute anarchy to ignore a referendum vote, even a close one.

[MyBrainIsBroken]

you have been lead into your views by the PRESS and their view/intepretation of the leave campaign

I think one thing Brexit and the US election have shown is that we have a huge information problem. It's become very difficult to determine whether what one is reading is true or slanted and I'm referring here to the supposedly reputable mass media outlets. Many articles seem more like press reports or editorials. "Facts" are reported without being substantiated. Allegations are reported as if they are facts because it's more sensational, meaning it draws more readers. Impartial journalism seems to have disappeared from many mass media outlets.

Add to that the Internet sites like FB that are loaded with misinformation which is quickly picked up by a large audience that seems to accept it as the truth because it was written on a clever meme. I couldn't tell you how many people I've observed who were outraged because of something that was written on a meme that wasn't even true.

I'm not a fan of Donald Trump's and when the posts were flying about his sexist remarks I was going to add something I've seen repeated over and over, that Trump said he would sleep with his daughter if he weren't her father, because to me this seemed totally disturbed. I decided to post a link to the source of this statement but the problem I ran into is that I couldn't find one. I was unable to find anything to substantiate this.

What I found is that it seems the headlines about him wanting to sleep with his daughter are based on an interview with him and his daughter on The View talk show. The women on the View asked Trump what he would do if his daughter's picture showed up on the cover of Playboy magazine. I haven't seen anyone suggest that question was highly inappropriate but I think he should have stood up then and said this interview is over. Instead, he tried to downplay it which lead the women to escalate it by asking what he would do if nude pictures of her showed up inside the magazine. WTH is wrong with these women that they would ask a father questions like these on national TV with his daughter sitting beside him?

I thought his first response was good. He said he didn't think his daughter would do that but then he added that his daughter does have a very nice figure and then came the damaging statement, "I've said that if Ivanka weren't my daughter, perhaps I would be dating her" and everyone laughed. Afterwards, he asked several times "Isn't that terrible?" It didn't seem like anyone on the show took what he said seriously, yet I found headlines that turned this exchange into "Donald Trump says he would sleep with his daughter", "Donald Trump wants to bang his daughter", "Donald Trump wants sex with his daughter", "Donald Trump obsessed with daughter's body", and a few others that are too vulgar to repeat.

Another thing I found while researching this were headlines related to an interview on the Howard Stern show. On the show Stern said about Trump's daughter "Can I say this? A piece of a**." Trump should have told him not to talk like that about his daughter but he didn't, resulting in headlines like "Donald Trump lets Howard Stern call Ivanka 'A piece of ...' ", "Donald Trump to Howard Stern: It's ok to call my daughter a 'piece of a**'!", and "Trump called daughter Ivanka 'a piece of a' in mysogynistic 'banter' with Howard Stern".

What I saw over and over was Trump being baited by so-called "interviewers" into making or agreeing with embarrassing statements which were then misinterpreted or twisted into being far more than what they really were. Something happened that I never expected. As a father I felt sorry for Trump. By the time I was done not only didn't I post about this but I felt sick to my stomach because many of these sensationalized headlines were reported on what I would have considered reputable sources like CNN, USA Today, and CBS News. I was dismayed and disgusted because I was left wondering if there was any truth to any of the stuff I thought I knew about either candidate. I know enough not to believe anything on FB but I would hope that traditional news outlets would still practice journalistic impartiality.

I feel sorry for anyone who runs for public office and subjects themselves to running the gauntlet of today's news media.

Journalistic Impartiality
http://www.mediahelpingmedia.org/training-resources/editorial-ethics/238-impartiality-in-journalism

The View interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DP7yf8-Lk80&list=RDdiMp241gAcw&index=2

Howard Stern interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbZEnOrvUlM

[Anjae]

1trouble, first you say I was missinformed because I was reading the European press. When I said I mostly read the British and Amreican press, you changed your tune and now it is the Britsh press who has been misleading people about the reasons for Leave.

The biggest selling British papers, as well as Murdoch media, were pro Leave, The Guardian was por Remain. There was a gigantic Leave campaign on the British press. Farage, Johnson and Gove ãll were in for Leave. And they were quite vocal about the reasons.

You are entitled to your views, but in the end, the vote was against the EU people.

The UK is allowed to control who goes into the UK. EU citizes egally allowed to go to the UK , just like UK citizens are legally allowed to come to the EU. But all EU citizens are that, citizens, not immigrants.

The uncontrolable numbers from where? The EU? If from outside the EU that is a matter of the UK, not the EU. And yet, it was a EU country that has been helding people from entering the UK, France. They were helding thousands of people in Calais because those people were not allowed to move into the UK.

I am not emotional at all. It is a fact the UK had never lost its sovereignty or its borders. Your sovereignty was not being eroded. The UK has special previleges within the EU. The UK was always treated differently and allowed things other EU countries were not.

Business are already leaving the UK. There have no interest to remain in a country that will not be on the EU, the single market. Ireland is getting several of the busness. So are Germany, Portugal and others.

It is not a question of fear, it is a fact that with the UK outside of the EU there is no advantage for me, or any EU citizen, to go to England. Why is it so hard for you to understand that Leave made England an uninteresting place for EU people? It is a pragmatic thing.

The EU does not dictate the terms the UK was allowed to negociated with countries outside the UK. A few examples, the UK leads the Commonwealth (the head of the Commonwealth is the Queen/King of Englad). It includes 52 countries, among them Canada, Australia, South Africa, India, New Zealand, Nigeria, Pakistan. The EU has no inteeference on Commonwealth treaties, deals, arrangements and issues. The Queen/King of England is the head of state of several contries, including Australia, Canada, New Zealand. The EU does not interfere in the relationships of the UK with the countries ruled by her majesty. The UK had a special relationship with the US, the EU does not interfere in that relationship. Portugal has the PALOP - Países Africanos de Língua Oficial Portuguesa (Portuguese Speaking African Countries) and a special relationship at all levels with them. The EU does not interfere in that. Same with our Relationship with Brazik. France has special agreements with their former colonies.

So, the issue comes down to immigrantion, essencially for EU, even if EU citizens are not immigrants.

What are you guys going to do about people that comes from Commonwealth countries? Leaving the EU is not going to solve that issue. The UK has deals with those countries that will remain in place after you leave the EU. Are you also going to vote to leave the Commonwealth?

Unprecedented levels of immigration from where?

Germany and Sweden have it much worst. There is no France to held people getting there. And, by the way, Sweden put its borders back (this does not affect EU citizens). On their own. The Eu did not stop them from doing it. France has its borders on since the attacks.  They declared state of emergency on their own.

You are aware that the UK faced major issues, from health to economic in the 1950's, 1960's, 1970's and 1980's, aren't you? Huge ones. Poverty, instability, terrorism (IRA), lack of jobs, etc. And the reason was not immigration. Nor is immigration the reason for the current real problems of the UK. Several things are, including money being used to rescue banks. But, it is so easy to blame immigration for a country's troubles.

Nicola is the first minister of Scotland. Scotland voted Remain. London and its mayor wants to try to have a special deal to remain in the EU. London has no interest in leaving the EU.

The UK leaving the EU has to do with the press, but for all the wrong reasons. They reproduced inflammatory things that were not, and are not based in fact. They were on a blame the EU and immigration crusade. Like the infamous 350 million pounds a week to the eu bus. The Those behind it, claimed that the UK sends (and this send is important because the amount send it not really sent, is in part used in the UK) 350 million pounds a week to the Eu and that if Leave won they would apply that amount on the National Health Service.

The UK does not send 350 million pounds a week to the EU. Margaret Tatcher negociated a rebate in 1984 that allows the UK to contribute less than 1% of their annual GDP, unlike other countries. The morning after the referendum Farage was asked on televisoon if he could  if he could guarantee that the money would be put on the National Health Service. He said he could not. Of course he cannot. Those 350 million pounds a week do not exist. And even if they did, I doubt they would go to The National Health Service.

But, in the end, article 50 may never go ahead. Or it may go, but stop. UK lawyers are already finding ways of backtracking in case of need after the article has been called.

[CallanG]

Just to be clear:  Stayed did NOT make that comment about OP's wife.  Another poster did!

-T

Just to to be clear I never said that Stayed said that , I said someone . Stayed said that no one had made any personal attacks on OP I was pointing out that in my view someone had .

[OldPilot]

you have been lead into your views by the PRESS and their view/intepretation of the leave campaign

I think one thing Brexit and the US election have shown is that we have a huge information problem. It's become very difficult to determine whether what one is reading is true or slanted and I'm referring here to the supposedly reputable mass media outlets. Many articles seem more like press reports or editorials. "Facts" are reported without being substantiated. Allegations are reported as if they are facts because it's more sensational, meaning it draws more readers. Impartial journalism seems to have disappeared from many mass media outlets.

Add to that the Internet sites like FB that are loaded with misinformation which is quickly picked up by a large audience that seems to accept it as the truth because it was written on a clever meme. I couldn't tell you how many people I've observed who were outraged because of something that was written on a meme that wasn't even true.

I'm not a fan of Donald Trump's and when the posts were flying about his sexist remarks I was going to add something I've seen repeated over and over, that Trump said he would sleep with his daughter if he weren't her father, because to me this seemed totally disturbed. I decided to post a link to the source of this statement but the problem I ran into is that I couldn't find one. I was unable to find anything to substantiate this.

What I found is that it seems the headlines about him wanting to sleep with his daughter are based on an interview with him and his daughter on The View talk show. The women on the View asked Trump what he would do if his daughter's picture showed up on the cover of Playboy magazine. I haven't seen anyone suggest that question was highly inappropriate but I think he should have stood up then and said this interview is over. Instead, he tried to downplay it which lead the women to escalate it by asking what he would do if nude pictures of her showed up inside the magazine. WTH is wrong with these women that they would ask a father questions like these on national TV with his daughter sitting beside him?

I thought his first response was good. He said he didn't think his daughter would do that but then he added that his daughter does have a very nice figure and then came the damaging statement, "I've said that if Ivanka weren't my daughter, perhaps I would be dating her" and everyone laughed. Afterwards, he asked several times "Isn't that terrible?" It didn't seem like anyone on the show took what he said seriously, yet I found headlines that turned this exchange into "Donald Trump says he would sleep with his daughter", "Donald Trump wants to bang his daughter", "Donald Trump wants sex with his daughter", "Donald Trump obsessed with daughter's body", and a few others that are too vulgar to repeat.

Another thing I found while researching this were headlines related to an interview on the Howard Stern show. On the show Stern said about Trump's daughter "Can I say this? A piece of a**." Trump should have told him not to talk like that about his daughter but he didn't, resulting in headlines like "Donald Trump lets Howard Stern call Ivanka 'A piece of ...' ", "Donald Trump to Howard Stern: It's ok to call my daughter a 'piece of a**'!", and "Trump called daughter Ivanka 'a piece of a' in mysogynistic 'banter' with Howard Stern".

What I saw over and over was Trump being baited by so-called "interviewers" into making or agreeing with embarrassing statements which were then misinterpreted or twisted into being far more than what they really were. Something happened that I never expected. As a father I felt sorry for Trump. By the time I was done not only didn't I post about this but I felt sick to my stomach because many of these sensationalized headlines were reported on what I would have considered reputable sources like CNN, USA Today, and CBS News. I was dismayed and disgusted because I was left wondering if there was any truth to any of the stuff I thought I knew about either candidate. I know enough not to believe anything on FB but I would hope that traditional news outlets would still practice journalistic impartiality.

I feel sorry for anyone who runs for public office and subjects themselves to running the gauntlet of today's news media.

Journalistic Impartiality
http://www.mediahelpingmedia.org/training-resources/editorial-ethics/238-impartiality-in-journalism

The View interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DP7yf8-Lk80&list=RDdiMp241gAcw&index=2

Howard Stern interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbZEnOrvUlM

Great Post, and echoes my thoughts exactly.

I am sorry that Stayed and Evas think  I am part of the basket of deplorables,
I am sorry that our young people are out rioting on the streets.
I agree that Trump, Hillary, and the Media  used us to all try to get what they wanted.
Trump played the best game and won the election,
just like the Cubs won the World series.
Cleveland may have scored more runs but the Cubs won more games.
I think that all of the above are highly flawed people.

I still believe in our country and think that we will all be fine.

Just like in MLC we need to figure out how to move forward.
Their is no looking backwards and saying what if.

I find it very interesting that two of our RECONCILED woman are the most upset on this thread.
Did they learn nothing from being here?
Are they VICTIMS, spewing hate?
I will say that I still love them although I hate their behavior.
I am glad we are able to write what we feel here and be in a protected space.
I cant help wonder if there is more to it than what is coming out on this thread?
I dont know if Trump will figure this out or not,
he will need to LEAD us forward,
I believe the government will do that even if people are sitting and protesting and being dragged along.
All I can do is my part which is quite small.
YUP I am an elderly white man who has been part of the silent majority.
Maybe I will go back to be part of the silent group or maybe not.
However I will keep moving forward.

I hope everyone else does too.

[1trouble]

Anjae its clear you have your views on what the British people think which is based on what you have read....I am telling you as a British citizen and having spoken to many many others what my views are and those who I have spoken to.........but you have chosen to ignore what my reasons were and have brought it all down to immigration.......I mentioned the British Press, because YOU specifically said you read more Britihs papers than European ones!!

Anyway to make it very very clear most (not ALL) but most British people who I spoke to and who I have listened too on telephone discussion shows, televised discussion shows, on discussion boards like this on the subject etc......
1)are NOT anti European, we are Anti European Federal state.....
2) We are NOT Anti immigration we NEED immigration but the numbers, somehow have to be controlled, we are unable to control it at all ATM we welcome all immigration for the skills we require
3) The leave campaigns biggest misleading quote was the £350,000,000 but I find it utterly amazing how everyone has been duped into quoting that one like robots whilst conveniently ignoring the ludicrious FEARFUL lies the remain campaign put out about  higher taxes, lower pensions, job losses, decreased security protection, how our manufacturing jobs were reliant on Europe, 3million jobs will be lost.......I could go on....

As for Nicola Sturgeon, her politics IMO are divisive she wants to take Scotland out of the UK she always has and now sees the Brexit vote as another chance to have a referendum, she is ignoring the half of Scotland who last time, didn't want to leave the UK and also ignoring nearly half of Scottish people who voted to leave the EU, because she is only interested in those who want the same as her...................hopefully, as last time, the Scottish people will see through her personal agenda and vote to remain in the UK because I really cannot see how they will survive on their own as the oil revenue is falling every year and they rely on subsidies from England to fund their universities and health care.......that's not British arrogance, its my view and I have a fondness for the Scottish people and love being part of the UK...........as I would have loved being part of the EU had it not started getting so power crazy.

What companies are leaving the UK I haven't heard of any ?

How did leave make England an uninteresting place?  I cannot see its hurt our tourism, infact as the exchange rate has dipped tourism has boomed!

I will never be able to convince you the Brexit vote was never against the people of Europe but the organisation which is sad but somewhere this myth has risen...............because I do not know one person who hated being part of Europe and who hates Europeans...........but anyway....as I said for some reason you have decided what you have decided and got the message you have probably from the daily mail or express IDK.....

And if article 50 is stopped there will be anarchy IMO because we as a country voted to leave, if people in power, with money and influence over ride that decision then our whole political system will collapse and that's why Article 50 will be triggered.........and once it is I think it will be the beginning and end of the European Federal state and what will be borne from it will be the start of the European Trading group.........IMHO

It is my personal opinion the world of politics is changing and it can only be a good thing, the media moguls, spin doctors, political marketing people, pollsters are all losing their power and I love it.................the people have had enough and they are voting to say so................I think as time goes on we will look at this period of change to see it as a very positive move...

The days of apathy are over, the days of being controlled by the faceless and those who wanted power for power sake are going......if they want power they will have to listen to the people..............and hopefully people will start to question the dubious reporting of elections by the newspapers as more and more people see through their propaganda and self serving agendas...

The thing that is similar in  my view between the Brexit and American presidential elections campaigns is that campaigns based on 'fear' are lazy and simply do not work......................people (well most) see through them and it makes people go out and get their own facts and make their own decisions based on this information..... that again can only be a good thing

[calamity]

The thing that is similar in  my view between the Brexit and American presidential elections campaigns is that campaigns based on 'fear' are lazy and simply do not work......................people (well most) see through them and it makes people go out and get their own facts and make their own decisions based on this information..... that again can only be a good thing

But the people did not go and get the facts, not in the US and not in England.  You believed the xenophobic slogans and ignored the facts, for example, the 'immigrant' problem in the UK is a policing problem--it is not legal immigrants--it is criminals supplying workers who arrive in the back of trucks and go to work for cheap wages--hired by British companies who don't want to pay the minimum wage.  Of course the government has no appetite for increasing the police force and the police can't begin to keep up.

I'm old enough to remember England before the EU; I hope you never experience that standard of living, it wasn't fun.

[Songanddance]

UK Financial Times online two days ago..

https://www.ft.com/content/0227e03a-a745-11e6-8b69-02899e8bd9d1

[1trouble]

URGGHHHH

I give up I really do.......

Look back on my posts...............what you have just said calamity is what they want people to believe.............

It is the rich who peddle this clap trap that all leavers are xenophobic /uneducated.................because its the rich who stand to gain the most from staying in Europe, the cheap labour you mention, the increased property prices, rents etc.....I have said all this before in my previous posts.............................

I have also mentioned facts not rhetoric..........do not insult me to say I don't know my facts because I do....

If you had read my previous posts you would see the increase in our population was one tiny part of my reason to vote leave...............however as you have chosen to just highlight the immigration thing again........let me answer the points you have made and then I am going to leave this once and for all..

The UK populating has increased by 5 million people in the last ten years........to suggest this is solely down to people trafficking and not policing our borders is ridiculous.....

Its  a fact that our country is open to anyone from Europe.................its a fact the UK economy is buoyant, its a fact that people would want to come here to look for work, if the other European countries are not doing so well..............

BUT its also a fact that if large numbers come here and we have no control or idea how many are coming or when etc. then we cannot plan for the infrastructure etc.....(ALL points I have made before)
Its also a fact that of our population continued to rise at these unprecedented levels then it will start to have a very negative effect on the quality of schools, housing, health care and other social economic factors...which I can see (from living near London) is starting to already happen.....
It is also a fact, if you look back in history that if there is huge surges of immigration then it can cause unrest and resentments ......infact if you look at Germany now who have taken in a very large number of immigrants in a small timeframe, you can see it is starting to cause unrest and will only lead to more far right factions.....(sadly( unless there is some serious work done to assist in the integration.

If you know how many people are coming to your country, if you can control the levels you can plan better, you can provide better services and you can ensure people (the indigenous population and the immigrant population) will come together and work together more harmoniously....BUT we cant and when this idea of free movement was first thought of, it was when the European Union consisted of fewer countries and countries who were similar in GDP and over all wealth......and before the recession

And anyway....My vote to leave was not based on immigration, as I have said (quite a few times ACTUALLY) it was a very small part of why I voted to leave if you had bothered to read my previous posts!

 BUT because I "dare" to say my country is getting too crowded, because I dare to say I voted to leave, yet again the 'immigration' points are the one's that are pounced on...........so  I am now xenophobic and do not know my own mind, along with the other 17.4 million like me.......what rot !!!

And I do remember life before the EU......it was not the Victorian era and the EU did not radically change our standard of living as your comment suggests.....It was a trading platform not a fairy godmother....I come from working class parents that worked very hard, I do not remember my life becoming suddenly so much better because of the EU.......I don't remember my mum and dad blessing the day we joined...........far from it

Right that's me done......................................
I am an optimist and I believe change can be a good thing......... xx

[OldPilot]

I am an optimist and I believe change can be a good thing......... xx

I have no idea about any of this - yet there is a constant theme that is playing out between the US and UK and maybe the rest of the world.

Immigration, press, change.

Watch this video about the US press.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7Q0mr7LUOU