[Phoenix]

"Mary Matalin, a high-profile political pundit and veteran strategist for the Republican Party, changed her party registration to Libertarian from Republican, she said on Thursday.

But in an interview with Bloomberg Politics, which reported on the switch, she emphasized that her decision was not connected to Donald J. Trump’s being the presumptive Republican presidential nominee.

She described herself as a voter as a “provisional Trump” and a “never Hillary,” referring to the leading Democratic candidate, Hillary Clinton.

It was a news spot with her husband Carville in which he said that one test of how bad Trump is viewed is that he even made his (Carville's) wife change parties. In my opinion, either the spouses need to get their stories straight or Matalin, understandably, preferred Carville not let that one out of the bag because she was such a longtime, staunch member of the Republican party.

Phoenix

[Thundarr]

Wow, this thread has really brought out the seedy underbelly of HS in ways I never expected.  I haven't had a chance to read through all the first two threads yet but was simply appalled that someone had the gall to say they could understand why OP's wife left him due to his support of Trump.  Statements like that could only come from someone with a cold, dark heart deep down as I never thought I would see that written to anyone here under any circumstance.  And I was accused of being a communal narcissist.  Geez.

On Obama, those of us who identify as being on the Christian Right have been not only marginalized over the past 8 years but completely been given the middle finger.  This was never more apparent than when Obama had the audacity to shine the rainbow lights on the White House and other national monuments the day the activist SCOTUS decided to rewrite the Constitution rather than interpret it as they are supposed to.  I was opposed to this decision from day 1 due to the fact that SCOTUS far exceeded their boundaries and I would hope a balanced SCOTUS throws this out and returns it to the way it should be, with states either having the right to decide or Congress making the law.  I have no problem with gay marriage or if it's legal or not, I just want the government to operate how it's supposed to and it has not the past 8 years.  Obama has done everything he can to divide this country and pit groups against each other all the while acting like a peacemaker.  Ever wonder why he waits until he has fired people up to riot before telling them to "cut it out"?  Why not tell them not to riot the next time a criminal gets shot or something doesn't go the way his party wants it to do.  He's a war-monger through and through and his actions over the years cement that more than ever.  And, btw, I could care less that he's popular in other countries such as the European ones.  In fact, I don't really WANT our president to be popular in other countries as that indicates his interests are not based here.  He's on our payroll so he should be popular here and not in England, Belgium or wherever.  I also don't care that other countries like or don't like Trump.  I can't even name the current PM of England or France as I honestly don't care, and the only reason I know Angela Merkel in Germany is because her idiocy has hurt her country so bad and I don't want to see our president make the same mistakes.

As for Hillary, never has there been a greater example of political elitism and corruption.  She was hand-picked before the primary even started to be the next president and every action by the heavily corrupt DNC laid out the red carpet for that.  Bernie never had a chance and Wikileaks has proven how deeply the corruption there went, even involving the news channel that hosted one of the debates!  I can't imagine why any of his supporters would have supported Hillary after his followers were so dedicated and worked so very hard for the candidate they believed in.  For the record, I like Bernie although I didn't agree with his policies.  I wouldn't have voted for him but solely for that reason.  With Hillary, I would have voted for Donald Duck before her as her entire career is marred by controversy and scandal.  I saw where someone said she was being blamed for Bill's affairs and that's simply NOT TRUE.  Bill has been documented and verified to have sexually assaulted several women over the past 30 years (Paula Jones anyone?) and Hillary intimidated and threatened them to keep them quite.  Bill was her ticket to the top and she knew it, and she would stoop to any low it took to protect that meal ticket.  Hillary cares about no one but herself and her own desires and the fact the completely dissed all of her supporters on election night because they were no longer of use to her proves that to a T.

Now as for Trump, I DO NOT agree with the things he said about women and would not condone any of the things he was accused of doing but it needs to be said that being accused is not the same as doing them.  Several of the stories have proven to be false (the porn star who had just started her online business, the Apprentice contestant who asked him to show up at her restaurant, the 13 year-old who recanted) so I don't know if any of those are true.  Knowing what it's like to be falsely accused I will NEVER convict someone based solely on the word of another and without a fair trial he is INNOCENT until proven guilty.  So why vote for Trump?  He offered a change from what we were used to and actually had a plan.  Was some of it extreme?  Yes, of course, but at least he had a plan and a direction to go in rather than saying he would just keep things as they are.  Those of us who have been left out of the last 8 years want a change and we made that happen.  Like it or not he's the leader of the free world now and the president of the most powerful country on Earth.  I will hope and pray for his success and cannot understand anyone in this country hoping otherwise as it really is akin to hoping the pilot of the plane you're on fails because you don't like him or her.  As for other countries who don't like Trump, mind your own business and fix your own problems before bashing us, and if you can't then call on your government to refuse to accept any aid from the US until Trump is out of office.  Go ahead, do it. 

Peace to you all.

[Roma]

Thundarr,

The Wikileaks email of Hillary showed absolutely no crime was committed and was cleared by the FBI. Actually to do what the FBI did was against the law and shouldn't have been a public in their investigation in the first place.What it did do was raise doubts  and speculation which really wasn't fair to her.

[Finding Hope]

Thundarr,

Totally agree. That one statement is what really had me angry. I worry that these are the same people going to give advise to the new and old people on this site. There is a lot of hate and anger. Maybe this isn't a safe place. I personally don't think that this is the place for those kind of discussions. Everyone always gets twisted when they talk politics.

FH

[Slow Fade]

What it did do was raise doubts  and speculation which really wasn't fair to her.

Same thing they have been doing to Trump since he threw his hat in the ring. Kind of like the pot calling the kettle black in my opinion.

There is a lot of hate and anger. Maybe this isn't a safe place. I personally don't think that this is the place for those kind of discussions

I agree.


Welcome to the fray Thundarr. We are certainly in the minority. 

[Sally Wood]

Phoenix,

Your statement:  "Matalin, understandably, preferred Carville not let that one out of the bag because she was such a longtime, staunch member of the Republican party. "   is making the assumption that you know what Matalin thinks or you know what her motivation was.  Unless you personally know her and she told you this, there is no way that you could make such an assumption.

To prove your point it is really important to stick to facts.  If you wish to state your opinion or supposition than it should be noted as such in order not to make those who do not have the facts believe an untruth.  Not fair.

[Phoenix]

Thank you for your feedback, Sally Wood. I stand by what I said in regards to not believing Carville would say it if there wasn't some truth there, but have modiied my post to make it more clear this is my opinion.

Take care,
Phoenix

[osb]

As for other countries who don't like Trump, mind your own business and fix your own problems before bashing us, and if you can't then call on your government to refuse to accept any aid from the US until Trump is out of office.  Go ahead, do it. 

Um, Canada calls your bluff. 

Really, from the outside all we can see is your government-in-waiting awash in self-acknowledged white supremacists, homophobes, anti-feminists, and genuinely elite corporate CEOs. While that toxic combination may not represent the plurality of Trump's electorate (I'll take your word for it), Trump's platform was a profound negation of what truly made America great over the past 60 years - immigration and diversity. It makes America's allies uncomfortable. It makes America's minority citizens uncomfortable. So naturally, it makes many people on this board pretty uncomfortable.

And the world is less dependent on America's largesse than Americans might think. The centre of gravity has shifted, and American exceptionalism has a bitter taste. If Mr Trump choses to 'hold the world to account', there may indeed be many countries calling that bluff.

On the personal issues raised, i can only think there's a cognitive dissonance in anyone on this site blaming Hilary Clinton for staying married to an adulterer. It was not her sin. The same way our spouses' multifarious sins belong to them alone. That bit seems out of bounds, at least.

[stayed]

and ahhhhhhhhhhh, we actually heard TRUMP talk about this.  We heard what he said at his rallies.  This is not assumption whatsoever... we saw and heard that man say all those horrible things ABOUT women, about other republicans, about other men... about blacks, Hispanics, musllims... WE HEARD HIM with our own two ears.  NO SUPPOSITION there.

As for what Hilary did or didn't do.  There are no tapes, no vidio's, even her EMAILS that were released by WikiLeaks and hacked by the Russians... there was NOTHING in them.  Her emails were cleaner then yours and mine. 

There were two things that did not help Hilary's cause one little bit... first, the FBI releasing that nonsense about her emails showing up on Weiner's computer and that they MIGHT reopen her investigation, 2)  the notice that Obama Care costs would be increasing.  I can't imagine that that could not have waited until after the elections, but AGAIN, if anythink, that should prove how transparent and honest the Democrats were trying to be.

Finding Hope, you were the angriest LBSer I ever dealt with.  Now you are suggesting that we should be more careful with newbies... oh my goodness lady... talk about the pot calling the kettle black.  You are right, I wouldn't presume to know anything about your h, but I can make an educated guess, that he is probably still in crisis.  Sorry!  Just my opinion. 

Thundarr, seriously, go back to your dating thread!  However will you keep track of how many HITS you get on your valuable comments if you are not on your own thread.  For the record, you are obviously very far off the radar screen, as most people could care less about whether a person is gay, black, brown, muslim, Chinese whatever... WE are all PEOPLE!  With as much right to love who we love, as you do. 

[xyzcf]

Quote from: Thundarr on Today at 11:36:30 AM
As for other countries who don't like Trump, mind your own business and fix your own problems before bashing us, and if you can't then call on your government to refuse to accept any aid from the US until Trump is out of office.  Go ahead, do it.

The world consists of many countries and the way many things are interrelated in this global world,it is impossible for any country to exist in a vacuum.

Many of the countries that are concerned about Trump as a leader are ranked much higher on certain variables that are studied that reflect standard of living such as health care and education, than the US does. So, they may not have as many "problems" as Thundaar is suggesting and certainly do not need the US's aid as they have many resources of their own.

What concerns me deeply is how so many of our Allies view the results of this election....seems that some countries who applaud Trump being the President elect, such as Russia, have not typically been our Allies in the past.

Think about it.

I am going to ask, Thundaar, what countries have you visited outside of the US?