[Thundarr]

Hi Elegance,

The families of the Christians who ISIS burned alive in cages might disagree with your statement, as would the Pulse nightclub and San Bernardino survivors.  Regardless, terrorism is terrorism whether it is Osama bin Laden or Timothy McVeigh.  And terror groups are terror groups whether it is ISIS, AL Qaida, BlackLivesMatter or the KKK.

[Roma]

How is Black Lives Matter a 'terrorist group' when they are only trying to save their lives?

Oh Thundarr I feel you've been purposely deliberately misinformed.

[Thundarr]

No group needs to burn down businesses, destroy property, assault innocent civilians or block traffic including emergency vehicles to save their lives.  The message does not match the actions, leading one to conclude that the message is simply a red herring intended to divert attention from the true ulterior motives.  The ones driving the riots and pushing the behaviors are anarchists, socialists and anti-Americans in general.  Americans have the right to peaceful protest, not to use intimidation and power/ control to assert their will onto others.  Don't believe the hype.

[Roma]

Thundarr,

Have you personally sat down and talked with any members of Black Lives Matter or are you going by what TV shows you?

You might be surprised and maybe gain understanding if you have.

Tell me something, what is more important to you, human lives or property?

[osb]

Why in the world would we want to allow the radicals in our country and why not take EVERY precaution to keep them out?  My kids safety compared to a few people being temporarily inconvenienced is not worth a second thought.  Would you also want us to freely allow convicted serial killers in the country to run free? 

Fair enough... If we're going to be irrationally fearful... and ignore the Constitution... Given the massacre of quietly praying Muslims that just took place in Quebec last week (and the fact that by far the majority of 'terrorist' deaths in Canada have occurred at the hands of white libertarian gun nuts), I believe we'd like to keep all our Muslims, thank you, and deport the white supremacist blowhards. The former are good citizens. The latter, can we just send 'em south of the 49th? And then build a wall?    Just a temporary inconvenience, I'm sure.

[Thundarr]

One could argue that the terrorists' cause is "just" as they are acting based upon their religious beliefs, but I think we can all agree that their tactics are unacceptable.  Perhaps if they chose to block streets and barricade innocent people, attack and beat innocent civilians, attack and disrespect the police and burn down people's homes and destroy their livelihood rather than what they currently do then America would be more sympathetic to them.  Given the fact that won't be happening anytime soon, I'd prefer they be kept out any way possible.  3,000+ innocents lost their lives on 9/11.  A dirty bomb or series of explosive devices could yield a much higher body count.  That taken into account, I'm much less sympathetic to those who've had their travel plans put on hold for four months.  And while we're at it, I hope the wall is coming along quickly as I'd rather the cartels and barbaric gangs along the border in Mexico be kept out as well.

As for BLM, how would you classify them as any better than the KKK?  They are two sides of the same coin, and I'll bet if white supremacists were doing what BLM has been doing then Twitter would be overrun with calls to deport or arrest them.

Lastly, on the subject of refugees.  Have you done any research on what the designation "refugee" entitles a person to?  They can move about the country entirely untracked and unaccountable for their actions with no way for us to know who they are and whether or not they are truly fleeing anything.  What better way for a wolf in sheep's clothing to slip in.  By my estimation, America can help the refugees every bit as much OUTSIDE our borders as we can inside them.  If you disagree with me then please share how many total strangers you have sleeping in your home right now who needed a roof over their head.  Trump said he feels for them and will help them in every possible way while protecting national security.  I fail to see why that's not a comfortable medium and why we can't give him a chance to see if that works or not.

[Thunder]

I would like to hear how Trump would plan on helping these refugee outside of our country?
What would that look like?  They can't come in so what?  Fly over medicine, clean water and food?  Drop tents for them?  What?

About half of these refugees are women, usually head of households, the other half are children.  Only 2% are single men of combat age.  Maybe just leave the young men out?  Or maybe we could build a prison to house them, just in case.

As far as having a perfect stranger sleep in your house.  Do you really think Homeland Security would just allow anyone to walk across our borders without vetting them???  I think their a bit smarter than that, don't you?

As far as "the wall"...who is going to pay for this wall?  It's estimated cost is between 12 and 15 BILLION dollars.
We can't count on Mexico to pay for our national security.  It's the responsibility of every nation to take care of their own security.

So we would need to either offset the cost by spending cuts, or taxing the American people.
Which is it going to be?

I'm sorry but that wall is NOT going to get built any time soon unless Congress can figure out where that money is going to come from.

[Thundarr]

Thunder, I'm not sure where you got your stats from but every news report and video I've seen of the refugees is far and away fighting aged men.  That was Trump's point during the campaign.  I would also like to know what will be done for them outside of letting them inside these borders but we routinely help others in foreign countries already. 

As for Homeland Security, do you realize the person Obama had in charge as Secretary was a lawyer who had contributed a lot to his campaign?  That was done very quietly.  The new SOHS is a retired 4-star general whose expertise was security so I trust he knows what he's doing.  Obama's priority was NOT our nation's security and that became apparent early in his second term.

As for how much the wall will cost, on his way out Obama bequeathed 6 billion to the UN and its programs and 2.5 billion to the Palestinians but that one was blocked by Trump.  We've had 8 years of our budget being managed by a guy who had never held a position that involved managing a budget.  There may be tough times and sacrifices ahead for us but one needs look no further than the fact that over the last 8 years our national debt increased more than all other years COMBINED.  It's not a matter of being pro or anti Trump as the media tries to paint it but rather having faith that we now have people in position who actually KNOW what they're doing whether we agree or not.  And remember, we're basing our opinions on what little information we have while Trump has access to far more than we will ever know.  Who knows what he might be trying to prevent that would throw the country into a panic if we knew it was going on.

[Thunder]

Thundarr,

You're too intelligent to blame Obama for out National Debt.  You know who manages our budget.

Bottom line is we are in debt mainly because of Congress overspending and not enough tax revenue coming in from the wealthy.  I believe when Regan took office the tax rate for the wealthy was 70%, maybe higher.  What do they pay now?  Next to nothing.

Politfact and our State Department said that 3/4 of the Syrian refugees are women and children, a full 1/3 of those are kids under 12 years of age.
Of the 1/4 of men only 2% are military aged men with no families.
Not my facts.

[Roma]

Thundarr,

Before I spoke or thought anything about Black Lives Matter, I took the time to talk to members on Twitter and found that News outlets had things VERY wrong when it all began in 2014. These are normal Black American college kids who started it and did NOT participate in ANY violence or destruction of property.

It was outside agitators who did that, which they felt took away from their message that Black people's lives matter when some cops killed other innocent Black people. They wanted to raise awareness to their cause.

Now, I am not sure yet you said they should all be deported or arrested? Did you mean all Black people? Just young Black people? or the innocent ones killed for no reason? I'm confused by your statement. Deported to where exactly when they are Americans? Arrested for what?

How are young Black American college students terrorists for this?