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#60: February 17, 2017, 12:40:52 AM
This morning I start training for my new job as a Teacher which I an excited about. They requested we bring two forms of ID.

So I have a copy of my driver's licence and my birth certificate. As I mentioned before I do happen to look Latino, even though I am not and get mistaken for being one all the time.

I'm thinking it might be a good idea to always carry my birth certificate because I'm hearing about all of these random deportations and frankly it's kind of scary.

I was born in this USA and my heritage is mixed with Native American. So out of everyone I should have no problem right?
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Re: Election thread #4
#61: February 17, 2017, 04:10:16 AM
The amount of misinformation and propaganda on this thread is staggering.  Random deportations?  As if the government is just going to Willy-Nilly start rounding up people to deport?  Should we all carry ID so that the Trump Gestapo doesn't ship us out, too?  And who doesn't carry ID all the time anyway?  Scare tactics and/ or incredible paranoia abound.  Our borders are insecure.  I'll bet you lock your house at night and don't allow strangers to freely come and go as they please so why not apply that to those who will have access to our kids schools and our families?  There are dangerous criminals already wandering around here whose countries of origin won't take them back because of their heinous deeds.  Do you want them here and living next door to you?  Hell no.  Don't be foolish and paint this as "keeping all those good people out."  Most are fine but there are many who are not.

OP is a military guy, and like EVERY SINGLE ONE of my military friends who have seen what the attitudes toward America are in the Middle East is in favor of the travel ban.  I live near Fort Knox and the prevailing question is why didn't Obama do something like this years ago?  Hidden agenda, maybe?  I don't think you guys live under a rock so I can't believe you honestly think that the reason they want to destroy us is because they are called to do so by their religion along with our support of Israel.  If you don't understand that I'd say you don't fully comprehend how the world works.

And this whole movement of wanting Trump to fail or trying to find a way to impeach him is unAmerican and borderline anarchist.  There's a lot of butthurt going around because Hillary lost in a shocking defeat after an ugly campaign, but let's give Trump a chance and see what happens.  We suffered through 8 years of a Teflon-coated figurehead president and none of our lives are better now than they were before so maybe this time will be different.  Or maybe many Americans actually want leaders who lie, double-speak and ultimately do nothing.
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Re: Election thread #4
#62: February 17, 2017, 04:31:43 AM
What "hidden agenda" do you think Obama had??

All I have to say is when someone says, give Trump and chance I say give him a chance just like the Republicans gave Obama a change.  No more, no less.
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Re: Election thread #4
#63: February 17, 2017, 04:50:29 AM
Thunder,

I don't recall mass protests, media attacks and calls for impeachment 3 weeks after Obama took office but I could be wrong.  Obama had a Socialist agenda and I honestly believe an ulterior motive to harm the country from the inside out.  Now it's funny that those allegations are being leveled against Trump despite no obvious gain or allegiance to an outside entity like Obama had.  It's astounding what people will believe, honestly.
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Re: Election thread #4
#64: February 17, 2017, 04:59:28 AM
Obama had an ulterior motive to harm our country???  whew!

So you don't remember all the protests against Obama with people putting a Hitler moustache on signs of him?
Really?

I agree it's astounding what people believe.
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Re: Election thread #4
#65: February 17, 2017, 05:07:43 AM
Well Trump had at least one thing correct at yesterdays press conference

The country is very divided.

And my thoughts are
At this point no one from either side is doing anything to reunite it.
That is the sad part.
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Re: Election thread #4
#66: February 17, 2017, 05:09:14 AM
OP is a military guy, and like EVERY SINGLE ONE of my military friends who have seen what the attitudes toward America are in the Middle East is in favor of the travel ban. 

Of course, when you go and occupy their countries, send in drones that kill innocent civilians, put on sanctions that drive people into severe poverty, why would anyone expect them to have a favorable attitude?

When the Chinese eventually get around to occupying the US and set up checkpoints you have to pass through on your way to work, you'll get the attitudes. But attitudes to not necessarily translate to attacks on US soil.
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Re: Election thread #4
#67: February 17, 2017, 05:13:25 AM
Well Trump had at least one thing correct at yesterdays press conference

The country is very divided.

And my thoughts are
At this point no one from either side is doing anything to reunite it.
That is the sad part.

Maybe I should re-phrase.

The WORLD is very divided.
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Re: Election thread #4
#68: February 17, 2017, 05:16:08 AM
I don't recall mass protests, media attacks and calls for impeachment 3 weeks after Obama took office but I could be wrong.  Obama had a Socialist agenda and I honestly believe an ulterior motive to harm the country from the inside out. 

Our borders are insecure.  I'll bet you lock your house at night and don't allow strangers to freely come and go as they please so why not apply that to those who will have access to our kids schools and our families?   
I don't think you guys live under a rock so I can't believe you honestly think that the reason they want to destroy us is because they are called to do so by their religion along with our support of Israel.  If you don't understand that I'd say you don't fully comprehend how the world works.

Yup, it's astounding what people will believe.

Er, you do realize this is not a board exclusive to Americans, right? I'm your neighbor leaning over the fence and saying, "Hooo boy, you gotta mess going on there... Maybe you wanna call the cops?" We're allowed to have that opinion (un-American is not the point).

Those brown people (so scary!) "want to destroy us because of their religion". Really?? Thundarr, you do realize the US has had a 2-year vetting process in place for years? Those people Trump is turning away are the good guys, per your own security force. Your door hasn't been open, not at all. Just now you've installed a whole pile of extra deadbolts and are hiding under the bed. And deporting grandmothers, and women who complained of domestic abuse, to places they haven't lived in since they were infants. That's the scary part. Thundarr, I'm brown. I'm not of the same religion as you. And if I lived on your side of the border, think I'd find all the scaremongering and xenophobia mighty offensive (and maybe even march in a protest or three). Instead I'm cheerleading your judiciary. They've actually read your Constitution.
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Re: Election thread #4
#69: February 17, 2017, 05:28:12 AM
OP,

I have followed politics for many years and in my opinion all this divisiveness started when the Republicans wanted to impeach Bill Clinton, which the vast majority of Americans did not agree with.  Ken Starr getting a standing ovation from the Republicans??  It started a war between the parties.  A war that I don't think ever ended.

Some of the divisiveness with the world was Cheney's war with Iraq.  It should never have happened.  All the unnecessary deaths of our military men and women, and our allies.
Just my opinions.
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