[marvin4242]

What I want to know is why after all this time is there still a dearth of things like the disposable 3m masks for the general public (much less still one for medical personnel)? I'd even take the non N95 ones and double up.

I am curious I have had no problems getting disposable surgical masks from Amazon for the past few weeks. I have two 100 packs sitting by the door. Have you looked there?

https://www.amazon.com/Disposable-Face-Mask-Breathable-Masks/dp/B089HW9VSV/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=1HC9Z8OCYVS4V&dchild=1&keywords=surgical+masks+disposable&qid=1593820483&sprefix=Surgical%2Caps%2C164&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUExMk1EVFBaV0dWSkFWJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwMTI0NjA3WUFPTEFTMVY4OEFCJmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTEwMzQ3NDUxVzBNWFkyN0c4NFFLJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfYXRmJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==

I feel a slight bit better that it's not just the US that seems to have this divide in public safety. Except I wish it was none of us! Was out today with my dad and people had the masks around their necks, I guess ready to pull them up if they got busted not wearing one. The fact that it's still more about a mandate than about their own (and others') safety is really heartbreaking.

I think its everywhere, its a matter of percentages. You see all spectrum of behaviour everywhere, its when the balances really shift that you have to ask yourself what is going on?

I don't think that having been told initially that masks were not necessary should mean that we cannot look at the science now which shows that they are important..that we cannot change out behavior when more information is available, especially since wearing a mask is not harmful.

Yes all the information now clearly shows everyone wearing masks when in close contact makes a BIG difference, early on they were not sure but now they are. It comes down to people who don’t listen to experts, or think they know more than they do, or have a completely incorrect understanding of what “freedom” is and what rights they have. I love a sign I saw that had essentially a message saying you can come in without a mask, but only if you come in completely naked, because if you are wearing pants or clothes then wearing a mask is no different,

[OffRoad]

What I want to know is why after all this time is there still a dearth of things like the disposable 3m masks for the general public (much less still one for medical personnel)? I'd even take the non N95 ones and double up.

I am curious I have had no problems getting disposable surgical masks from Amazon for the past few weeks. I have two 100 packs sitting by the door. Have you looked there?

Thanks, marvin, and I have tried those. They do not work as I like, but they fit my face the same way my homemade one does. They touch my nose, cheeks and front of my chin in addition to all the way around the edges. The formed 3m masks touch nothing except around the edges, and the elastic goes all the way around my head.  I'll be honest, I never wore one of those for 8 hours either, but could easily do 3 hours without issue. I also once owned a tyvek hood with hose and battery, and I could wear that all day, no issue (soldered with lead based solder all day).  I can't get either now. Front line workers only. It seems to me if you want people to wear masks, make the ones a lot of us used to wear for work related things available. Those were made to wear for hours on end.

Again, I still wear the mask out of consideration for others if i must go out, but 100% understand not wanting to wear one. For me, courtesy outweighs my individual  wants/needs/desires.  I am perfectly capable of staying away from others, so it doesn't bother me if someone else doesn't wear one, except a doctor or dentist, but even if they chose not to wear one and told me so, I'd just not go. I have the right to stay home and have Amazon deliver my groceries.

I do believe that senior care facilities need to say " no mask, no enter", because many of those who are there can't just get up and leave, or avoid the caregivers.

[marvin4242]

Offroad, I know which ones you mean now. I happened to find a box of ten when I was cleaning out my garage a couple of weeks back and it was like finding treasure! I gave them to a couple of friends who need them more.

I wear masks for others also, because I don’t want to ever think that my carelessness cost someone their life or their well being. I am not in a high risk group, I don’t have someone to worry about. So in a sense it would be so easy to be “selfish.” But like you I choose to take great care for the greater good. I just wish everyone, specially some of the younger kids, would get that. If we don’t stop the spread it hurts everyone.

I think if we all did what we have to for everyone’s well being we would be so much better off in this than we are now.

[marvin4242]

A great video showing why masks are so effective, how they in no way impact any oxygen levels nor build up carbon dioxide despite all the misinformation flowing around. I have no idea where all the anti-mask misinformation came from and I do not understand why people choose to believe incorrect facts when at this point we know a lot more than we did in the early days.

Please watch, and wear masks. For everyone’s sake. No you will not have lack of oxygen, nor will you have carbon dioxide build up. And it is not a questions of “freedom,” its a question of caring for your and everyone else’s well being. We all wear clothes in public, hopefully clothes when we sit on a bench in the gym (although some people don’t but that’s maybe just a male thing), and this is no different.

https://youtu.be/0Tp0zB904Mc

[terra]

No links today but just a cushioned and personally informed caution:

If your county or locale is on renewed or stricter quarantines now, especially in USA, please do not venture outside your locale into neighboring counties for recreation or respite. The orders and the residents in that neighboring location may have different ideas about what is acceptable and what is not in these circumstances.

It’s a risk, and, just don’t risk it. Right now in a lot of locales, life is to be lived and weathered in your own home space, your own yard.

No long distance travel, even just a few hours away, unless for *truly* essential business or because you intend to remain at destination for the duration of this health crisis.

Stay well, stay home, wear your mask otherwise, and although it is against the guidelines, HUGS. Virtual ones of course. Hopefully it’s the thought that counts, because I know for some of us, the virtual ones are all we’ve got.

STAY WELL.

[OldPilot]

https://www.henryford.com/news/2020/07/hydro-treatment-study

I guess you all think this is fake too.

[Mitzpah]

https://www.henryford.com/news/2020/07/hydro-treatment-study

I guess you all think this is fake too.

Apparently the president of Brazil agrees with this. He started on this regime as soon as he suspected he had Covid-19. Of course, there is a lot of criticism from all sectors and I think the truth is - nobody really knows for sure what helps.

I know that I would not like to see either my mother or my beloved using this combination of drugs - the antibiotic ok, but not the hydro... my mother, because of her age (81) and general state of health, she suffers from high blood pressure, a tendency to diabetes (under control at the moment), and circulatory deficiencies in legs. My beloved because he has a cardiopathy which causes arrythmia, currently medicated, but always a concern.

I heard the other day that the armed forces in Brazil have hydroxychloroquine stocked for 13 years (!!!!), apparently, it was produced to face Covid 19 at the beginning of the pandemic and they need to justify the investment 

So, no, I don't think it is fake, I just think it is not a guaranteed cure and there needs to be a lot of caution in using it in patients who might have heart problems

[OldPilot]

I think the truth is - nobody really knows for sure what helps.

This I agree with.

I have already had Covid and am still recovering.( My case was moderate not severe but not pleasant)

I wish this was not so political and we would just listen to the science (which does not seem to exist btw)

I have friends working in the pharmacutical industry and I pray they come up with something fast.

The thing I would really like to know if is this is like Lymes disease which means I have it for the rest of my life - which is the way it seems right now.

[marvin4242]

https://www.henryford.com/news/2020/07/hydro-treatment-study

I guess you all think this is fake too.

OldPilot: with all due respect science is not about "fake" and "real." These words are political and have no room in a scientific discussion or investigation. Science uses a well defined and reproducible procedure to uncover the truth. There is no single study or outcome that decides this, and cherry picking is one of the first things we are thought to avoid when using the scientific method.

The majority of studies so far show no measurable improvement in outcome or survival. That doesn't mean they are all pointing to the same exact results. The consensus is tilting (and did a little while ago) that Hydroxychloroquine offers no significant improvement, and because of its dangerous side effect that means it is not a course of treatment. It was dropped from a few studies and has never been integrated into treatment plans.

I would like to suggest everyone separate out their beliefs from facts and knowledge, specially when it comes to health and well being of others. Viruses and health are NOT political discussions, they are NOT open to ones "viewpoint." This is part of the reason why we are now about to tip into crises in certain parts of the US while other countries are well into social and economic recovery.

BTW I would post about the mother (who is a nurse) who took her immunocompromised 18 year old daughter to a Covid exposure party at her church. Her daughter got sick, and despite her mothers illegal treatment using Hydroxychloroquine she sadly died at a young age.

I have no interest in political discussion in US anymore, because it has devolved for some into a form of cult or religion. But I will never accept science and fact falling into that domain. Please everyone, we are all in this together.

[OffRoad]

https://www.henryford.com/news/2020/07/hydro-treatment-study

I guess you all think this is fake too.

Good to see that the science doesn't quit because people have opinions based on half facts.