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MLC Monster Laughing during MLC
OP: July 02, 2010, 07:22:26 AM
Why do MLCER"S laugh at the most ridiculous times?  Mine H was laughing at me the other night when I got riled up about finances because he told me he was having a consultation with a lawyer.  I'm in such a vulnerable position (newborn 2 yr old and 8 yr old) that I can't help but get worked up.  He laughs in the middle of our talk.  OW H mentioned the same behavior when we spoke.  Why do they do that? 
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Re: Laughing during MLC
#1: July 02, 2010, 07:39:58 AM
Hmmmm, it could be nervous guilt. It could also be the idea that they are truly going back through stages that they need to re-live. It could also be that much of what they say and do is incongruent. Laughter during pain would make sense regarding that.

On the other hand, it makes equally as much sense that they react to us with extreme anger, when they are causing us such pain. My h has only had a couple of really "angry" episodes, both a result of relationship discussions. His over-the-top anger was certainly not warranted in either situation. However, if you were doing something so completely out of character and everyone close to you started looking at you like you had lost your mind, I guess anger could be the result.

Who knows? Try not to spend too much time trying to make sense of it. As soon as you think you have, it will all change again anyway.
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Re: Laughing during MLC
#2: July 02, 2010, 09:03:17 AM
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Why do MLCER"S laugh at the most ridiculous times?  Mine H was laughing at me the other night when I got riled up about finances because he told me he was having a consultation with a lawyer.  I'm in such a vulnerable position (newborn 2 yr old and 8 yr old) that I can't help but get worked up.  He laughs in the middle of our talk.  OW H mentioned the same behavior when we spoke.  Why do they do that?

It's a combination of things; their extreme guilt for one has a tendency to render them hysterical...and it comes out as laughter..of course, this makes the LBS that much angrier; further feeding the fire within the MLC'er; and stepping up their "justifications" for what they are doing; as the reaction of laughter turns to extreme anger spilling BACK onto the LBS...the cycle turns and turns until it breaks.

On the other hand, the very fact that they are "distanced" from what the LBS is feeling; increases their confusion; and they see the LBS reaction as hilarious....again, the reaction of anger from the LBS causes them to "mirror" the LBS to the nth degree.

The point is they are on edge, continuously...and the 'edging' they do has to come out in some way...and remember the opposites?  What we don't think is even remotely funny is hilarious to them, and what we KNOW is hilarious, only serves to make them angry.

If you laugh at them, they WILL react in anger.  I did that ONE time, and got screamed at; from a man who didn't make a practice of screaming; he became hoarse for awhile after that.

A literally, by the textbook insane, person has NO feelings, and the MLC'er fits right within that description....they seem to be without a conscience, but they aren't.  You just don't see it in them.  Their eyes are blank, staring, wild, and they will constantly move their eyes from side to side in a restless way; never still or calm.

The MLC'ers are on total edge like never before, a half-step away from total insanity; and I learned a LONG time ago that when you deal with crazy people, the less said the better...I had to regain that perspective when my husband was going through, but it took awhile, as it'd been a LONG time since I had dealt with someone who was actually insane....my mother.

He acted JUST like she had acted in personality(and I KNEW she'd been off the deep end)...completely out of touch with reality..and the more I said, and cried, the worse it got; and YES, I did deal with him laughing at my tears....it struck me SO hard that I thought I was going to have a total breakdown; and I nearly did.  I kept thinking his behavior looked SO familiar, and realized I HAD seen it before within my mother.

So, I spent some time pulling out the tools I had put away a long time ago; that I'd used to deal with her.....and I found they worked well on my husband while he was in the pit of total insanity...the bottom line is such that you say no more than you have to say..it's akin to walking on eggshells, and walking a tightrope.

You make yourself as scarce as possible...yet, even then, they can and will pick on you when you least expect it...I've been there, too.
The truly insane person gets fixated on ONE thing, and won't let it go...they are never at peace; and it beats at your psyche constantly.
You don't sleep well at night, because you never know if you're going to get dragged out of the bed either in the middle of night or early in the morning to take a beating(I did NOT have to worry about this with my husband at all; but this happened with my mother)
If I cried, my mother laughed at me, said my tears didn't bother her...sound familiar?  She wasn't in her right mind..and somehow I'd known that as a teenager.
I'd had to survive the verbal and physical abuse of my mother, any way I could; and I used these same tools to deal with my husband in his temporary insanity.

I'm illustrating these things for a reason; there's NOT much difference between the truly insane and the MLC'er; the ONLY difference is, that the insanity won't last forever in them..but in the truly insane, there is NO help except meds that actually can cause them to walk like zombies; yet, as long as they take their meds, they will no longer be dangerous.

 You can see the similarities, and it is SO hard to tell the difference; unless you've seen/dealt with it before....and I realize the majority of you haven't.........and I HOPE you never have to deal with anything like this ever again in anyone else; family or otherwise.

It is NOT an easy road to walk, and the tightrope is a narrow one.

See, I'd been schooled in this type of survival; and was reminded of this much later in a more clear way.  I had to recondition myself to SURVIVE; just as I'd had been conditioned that way before I let home.  I'd tucked away these tools around two years after I married, as I'd not needed them with my husband....yet, when he went into the tunnel...it took me some time to realize what I needed to do to cope with it.

Boundaries don't work, so you survive mentally; by continuing to remember that they are NOT the people you once knew...quietly watching; and staying still as much as possible, as you don't want to catch their attention and be dragged into an altercation.


As long as I remembered these things, I was fine...but, sometimes,  I would "slip" and forget...and an altercation would commence for a time.

Later on, however as he was languishing in the stage of Withdrawal, I was moved TOWARD him to hold him accountable, and that scared me senseless...that's another story entirely, and I've told that one somewhere on OP's thread.

The point is, you can't spend time figuring out WHY they do some of the crazy things they do; I've been on the total edge of insanity myself; and almost committed suicide over it.

In a short period of time, I realized that no one was worth dying over.....and I used a mixture of survival tools to cope with the ongoing situation.

The best new ones that I learned, were DETACHMENT and DISTANCING from the drama as a whole.

The only reason I'm writing in such detail is for guidance and understanding...I know what it's like to try and figure out something you don't understand.

On the other, there WILL be questions you won't ever get an answer for, and you need to leave those at the feet of God to deal with...as some things are NEVER understood..and most answers come in the form of "Well, this is according to the MLC Script, and they ALL say/do these things."

That doesn't mean they actions/words are understood, but when you KNOW it's attributed to the MLC; it eases your mind; knowing YOU did NOT cause these things to happen, nor did you deserve them at all.

Everyone fails in some way, but that does NOT mean you deserve what's happening or what's happened to you....you just have to look and see what you need to learn out of it, walk that journey, learn that lesson, and get on with it.

All the explanations in the world won't help you if you get "stuck" within  his MLC; and refuse to move forward with your life in spite of what's happening.

I explain things, if I can, and I when I see an opportunity to do so, because I remember where I was when it all started; as long as no one would answer my questions, I would NOT budge..but when I started getting answers; I started thinking a little more clearly.

It took me THREE months to get a handle on the situation, and realize what I was going to have to do to progress forward...and even then, MORE questions came up, and, in time, my understanding increased.

In turn, I have tried to pass these things on to others for their learning/understanding.

I know it's hard to get your head around all of it; and so it is never done at one time....usually when someone is ready to hear and try to absorb another piece of understanding; a question will come about to be answered....and that is OK..it worked the SAME  way with me.

Each person's understanding/comprehension doesn't come all at the same time; it comes mostly in pieces; the "lightbulb" coming on when the time is right, and they begin to "get it".


I'm 8 years or more out of this, and I STILL learn things from the various aspects of MLC...there are areas that I've NEVER seen, and I have to ask the Lord to show me what to say in these type areas.

Anyway, take care of yourselves AND your children....you and those children are the MOST important people, and must SURVIVE this; regardless of what comes in the future.

Enjoy the day, for this is the day the LORD hath made for all people......Sing a new song unto the Lord all ye people, for He is most Worthy of our praise.......For He is the Lord, an ever present help in time of greatest need..........Our trials and tribulations are hard, but rejoice, for the Lord continues to be with us throughout..............You will have troubles and trials in this life, but be of good cheer, for GOD has overcome the world.


Much love to all of you,
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Re: Laughing during MLC
#3: July 02, 2010, 09:25:53 AM
HB,

That was so helpful!  It is a blessing that you share your insight.  I have not encountered laughter other than a sarcastic "HA!", but I got that before.  All I can say is, CREEPY! 

The comparison to insanity is very, very helpful to me.  You  just put a lot of things in perspective!  We talk about depression or some sort of mental illness comparison, but insanity is more accurate to me! 

I am sorry that you had to walk both sides of the road with your mother and your H.  I'm sure that both seasons in your life were incredibly painful, and yet how thankful we are that you are willing and able to share with those of us who benefit greatly!  Thank you!  And may we all emerge as strong and wise as you. 
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Re: Laughing during MLC
#4: July 02, 2010, 10:09:55 AM
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I completely appreciate you sharing your history with me today and can't help but feel we were meant to connect in this way.  Your strength as a human being is an inspiration and model for all who encounter your words on this sight.  You are not afraid to say what is in your heart and I appreciate that greatly.

What I have realized recently is that my mother (who came from an extremely abusive childhood) has been abusive to me emotionally throughout my life and continues to be.  What I am currently coming to terms with is how my husband has been emotionally abusive in the same ways.  So I am seeing more clearly how I was attracted to my situation with him and why I continued to allow it. 

My husband's crisis has simulataneously set off a crisis in my mother. ( at 50 she has not dealt with her issues, not even therapy) I say this because the behavior that both of them exhibit very similiar to what you describe and what I see in both of them.  The eyes are the most telling, but the laughing is there with her as well.  She becomes a different person too and regresses to a child in front of my eyes.  I only see this when there is a confrontation between us and  she runs away. 

My defense mechanism in my H crisis (when he's been home) is to withdraw to my room and read and take care of myself.  This is exactly what I would do with my mother as well.  In fact I having very vivid memories of being curled up with a book in my room on my bed from around the age of 11.

THere are such interesting patterns and awareness this crisis reveals.  Thank you again HB for your words.

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Re: Laughing during MLC
#5: July 02, 2010, 11:22:16 AM
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Your strength as a human being is an inspiration and model for all who encounter your words on this sight.  You are not afraid to say what is in your heart and I appreciate that greatly.

You cannot help someone effectively unless you've been there yourself; walking in those same shoes before.

You are absolutely correct; I am NOT afraid to say what God places within my heart to say...I've been flamed, yelled out, screamed at, belittled, and a number of other things for standing firm on what I believe to be truth.

And I've seen anger in people grow hotter when what God had brought through me came to pass; and it turned out I was right...

If GOD says it, I BELIEVE it, and He is the only one who knows things in a way that NONE of us could comprehend.

Most people don't want TRUTH, they want to hear what they want to hear, and  I cannot give them that; as TRUTH must ALWAYS be spoken in any setting, as the truth itself will set you free..and some people must get angry in order to get better..that anger forces them to look deep within to see the threads of truth that was spoken to them.

I got angry myself in the very beginning; I certainly won't lie about that...my attitude was NOT a very good one in the beginning of his MLC.

I had suffered SO much, gone through SO much in my life; and I wondered why God had to put just ONE MORE THING on me that I might not survive...and ladies, I was ANGRY to the point of RAGE..and that scared me.

God works with people as individuals; and He patiently worked with me, preventing me from leaving my marriage(if I had, I would NOT be here now or on DB years ago).

He used people to help me understand what this was all about and what I had to do to make it through....and I cried, was upset, was angry, hated the idea that I would have go through yet another trial that was NOT MY FAULT, because I was suffering as a result of a decision of another that I had NO control over.

Durn straight, I had a HORRIBLE attitude....but that changed given time and learning..and becoming willing to listen to the guidance of God that came through the people He was sending to me one right after another.

The final person He sent came after I made a decision to leave the marriage, but didn't know what I would do about it.

This lady told me things that I only knew about me and my husband...and I was skeptical at first...why would God take all the trouble to send a person such as this to someone like me?  So, I told Him that if it was meant to be, and if He had truly sent her to confirm this through another person.
As I'd walked up the assembly line of the place I worked at, another person that I knew was of God, called me over and told me clearly; " The Lord has a message for you: Listen to her, she has been sent of the Lord to help you."  This guy worked WAY up the line, and had no idea what had taken place at the other end...so I KNEW for sure then God was in this.

I turned back, and asked her what I was supposed to do...it wasn't that simple, but she mentored me for a very long time; in that process, helping me to not only cope and learn from his MLC, but also helped me to recognize and develop what I hold now in the way of gifts from the Lord.

There were many things I had to learn; and learn them, I did over the months and years.

I had to LEARN to allow God to come into my mind and heart so I could HEAR Him...and it was not an easy process...people have been accused of having schizophrenia because they hear "voices"...I only heard ONE; and it was familiar to me.
Whereas before, I'd had impressions and feelings..they were then beginning to translate into this one voice..and sometimes I would get scared and "lock" Him out; because it was so new to me that God actually WOULD speak to and through me.

As I learned to trust what I was hearing; it became clearer..but that gift has developed over time into a CRYSTAL clear hearing of what He has to say.

This was a different aspect of God that I learned; He was with me but in a totally different aspect...and each aspect of Him, I have had to learn to deal with as it happens...and my walk with Him continues to deepen as each day goes by; and I continue to learn more about Him. :)

The big things I faced, at first, SHE guided me into; then much later, I took over when it was time, and started walking on my own with some help needed from time to time.

The fact is you do learn to make it on your own; and walk it one day at a time, one step at a time. 

But know, God is always there, and with you, even if you cannot feel Him at times.  :)

Love to you, all. :)


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Re: Laughing during MLC
#6: July 02, 2010, 12:50:56 PM
I know exactly what you mean about laughing!! Our anniversary was Monday June 28. On Sunday, the 27th, he stopped by the house and I told him happy anniversary. He looked at me and said "When is it?" I said tomorrow, and he just burst out laughing! I couldn't understand it!!  I felt like I was the one that was crazy for not getting the joke!!!!
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Re: Laughing during MLC
#7: July 02, 2010, 02:36:00 PM
I've not seen inappropriate laughter yet firsthand.  H went to talk with my parents last night.  It's another step in his leaving I guess.  When I told my parents about everything my mom told me a story about H's mother, now deceased.  At some point we were all together and H's mother said to my mom that we seemed perfect for one another.  My mom shared that with H.  Apparently he chuckled about it. 
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Re: Laughing during MLC
#8: September 26, 2011, 07:00:47 AM
My W laughed hysterically when I was very upset in the days after BD and was saying that I would probably lose our family home as I couldn't afford it.  Her laughter chilled both me and the kids greatly that morning and led D18 to proclaim that she's become a sociopath.

My W also laughed at my grieving over our daughter's grave, and mocked me for thinking she was in Heaven.  This happened at the grave site.

My W has laughed at my hurt and pain more times than I can count.  She said some of the most hurtful things to me in a restaurant one night, and laughed out loud at me that others looked over at us.  I'll never forget her saying, "Look at that hurt face!!  That pitiful, ugly, hurt face!  You have the ugliest face in the world!!"

She also laughed at me when calling me everything in the book and telling me how she didn't geive a $hit about me right in front of our little ones.  Right after that she hit me.  Then she went to her car cussing at me, and turned to laugh at me once again right before she got in and left.

Why do I still love her?  Why do I stand?

Why do I even still go on?
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Re: Laughing during MLC
#9: September 26, 2011, 07:18:56 AM
  Because you love her and realize she is NOT WELL. since we have made a diagnosis we better just stop trying to think ourselves up some more sadness.
   yes they are cracked. No it won't last forever. Change the station. Turn off the show they are asking us to watch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Good luck Thundarr.   ((hugs))
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