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#20: March 15, 2012, 01:33:12 PM
I absolutely have couple envy at this time. I look at elderly couples and tear up as see them together. There is no greater compassion for another as you watch them help each other through a door or whatever it may be.

We were a great couple one that people envied. People are shocked and very sad that H left. I think some are frightened by what happened ..wondering if i could happen to them.

 
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#21: March 15, 2012, 01:45:23 PM
It IS scary.  I only talk to my sister about it but I can tell it scares her...then I can hear her convince herself that this is due to who HE is and who I am and that may be true but it does not exclude everyone else in the world...

Have you all seen "The Four Seasons" with Alan Alda many years ago?
A couple gets divorced and it freaks out the other couples that they are friends with...and they admit to it scaring them.  Makes sense to me.

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Re: Couple Envy?
#22: March 15, 2012, 02:49:17 PM
I will admit to it :-[
For me, it is worse at the supermarket and at the beach. These are the places where I see couples more often. As for couples I know, they don't affect me so much, I don't really know why ??? ??? I have been cut out of the social 'couples' circles anyway...
At church, there aren't so many couples, more widows and separated women like me, it isn't a very large congregation.
L2E, I have this reaction though
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I also think "they have no idea how good they have it" and also at times I want to run over to the W and tell her "be good to him even when he doesn't deserve it, show him how much you love him, don't let your marriage become routine - make time for each other", of course I don't, I'm sure I would be carried away by the nice people in white coats to a padded room!   

I think I was so proud and conceited of how happy we were that I never used to be envious of couples before, it was generally the other way round, people were openly envious of us. I sometimes even feel that these people now are secretly glad that we are not so 'perfect' :-\

Although I admit to it, I try not to dwell on it and I silently bless the couples I see. May God keep them together, may they never have to go through what we are...
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#23: March 15, 2012, 05:52:08 PM
I've never had couple envy, but on one occasion last summer, I did get really sad as I listened to all the happily married couples around me talk about their vacation plans. My H rarely seemed to want to get away or make plans together--he didn't have the patience, and we were spending a lot of money on a second home that he wanted, so money wasn't easily available for big trips for the five of us. We did take vacations, and they were lovely, but not often planned together, and not taken as often as I would have liked. Early after BD, I would have given ANYTHING to get away with my H, and knowing that he was vacationing with OW was shattering. It makes me super sad thinking about that now.  :'( I felt so alone.

It's funny a few of you mention super markets. I, too, notice couples at super markets. I like it. I like watching the patience I see the men showing for their wives. My H was always very impatient with me in the market, would even accuse me of overspending (honestly--for small things like $3 tea--"You're NEVER going to drink that!") and he would walk away from me in stores to try to finish the shopping with minimal purchases. I, on the other hand, loved to flirt and joke with him in the stores. I actually loved spending that time with him, even if it often degenerated into his irritability. I would work hard to make him laugh anyway. So when I see other men treat their partners with respect and kindness, it warms my heart, and I see, "That's how it's SUPPOSED to be." Gosh, it honestly just takes my breath away thinking about it!

I NEED to believe in love, and so when I see couples loving each other I know everything is right, and that I, too, can expect to be loved one day.

I can't bear the thought that everyone is secretly unhappy together or just this side of a breakup. That's a terrible thought, and I need to keep my faith in men and in love.

Sometimes I realize with a bit of sadness that I'll never be in one of those golden marriages--the 50-year anniversaries are not in my future, unfortunately. I'm sad knowing that it isn't because I didn't try. I was "all in" but he was not.

I did meet an adorable elderly couple at work one day, and with a twinkle in my eye I asked them, "How long have you two been married?" Of course I expected the answer to be on the order of many decades, and was shocked and charmed when they said something in unison like, "Two years!" They were so happy. Love can come at any age. And nobody knows what life has in store. Don't WE know that some of our best plans never come to fruition. I certainly planned to be married to one man for the rest of my life, to be carefree and childless again one day, to help raise our grandchildren together. Que sera, sera, I suppose.

When I hear women complain about their husbands, I warn them to be gentle and attentive, to try to work things out. I don't believe any of us here did anything to cause our spouses' MLC, nor do I believe there's anything we could have done to prevent it, but I do want non-MLC couples to realize that discord that could lead to a "normal" divorce is to be avoided. Divorce is hell. Love is nourishment--REAL love, that is, as opposed to parasitic MLC pseudo-love.

I also know that, sadly, many married couples envy those of us who are single, who get to have a "do-over" in life, because they see the freedom, they see us trying a little harder to look especially nice, they think about the bickering they do with their spouses and the excitement (bleah!) that lies ahead of us singles (ohhh...honestly...I feel sick just thinking about it) and they maybe for a moment wonder what it would be like, maybe with a little bit of longing.

Oh, the grass is often green on the other side of the fence.

But I love the couples.
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#24: March 15, 2012, 06:11:59 PM
  Cali That is really nice. It is amazing. I think I am hurt bc H and I were one of those couples in the store taking our time if we went together and he was always kind and considerate to get exactly what I wanted. :) :'(
  I know it's not my fault he felt the need to go on an adventure without me but after going through rehab and 12 step program I really do live 'one day at a time.' 50 years married to th same man?'  Imagine ::)
  I want to give you a hug everytime you mention that your H may have ALWAYS been unpleasant. That sux. Hug.
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#25: March 15, 2012, 07:23:18 PM
I'm going to admit that I have couple envy of MY (MY!!!) H and his OW, though I do understand that, rationally, it is not a relationship to envy.

And, while I miss the man my H was at his best, and the man I always had faith my H could be, I do not miss the man who left his family, or the man who was irritable and socially awkward and self-absorbed and lazy.

Oooooone less, bell to answerrrrrrrrrr, ooooooooooone leeeeess egg TO FRY! One-less man, to pick up after....(Hahah, sorry.)

One reason I don't have a lot of couple envy is that I am enjoying my freedom from the man who left me--the monster, the liar. I am more at peace since he's not around.

And, finally, I'm enjoying my time with the kids and my friends, not worrying if H is unhappy or angry or impatient.

OOoh, but I bet he's that way with OW about now!!
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Re: Couple Envy?
#26: March 16, 2012, 05:29:05 AM
Cali,
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I'm going to admit that I have couple envy of MY (MY!!!) H and his OW,
me too!

And that is because I know how affectionate and nice my h was, ok the last few years, there was a lot of walking on egg shells and quite a lot of irritability on his part, especially when out driving, and that would upset me (and the kids!) - I really miss the affection and intimacy :'( :'( :'( :'(, it was still there even with the irrritability, he never withdrew that, until BD.
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#27: March 16, 2012, 07:15:57 AM
I am right there with you mitz!  I miss the man I know my H is when he's "into" someone.  He's thoughtful, respectful, always up to do whatever, says sweet things, very caring, etc...
I know he's being this way with OW and that feels like getting punched in the gut repeatedly!  I envy that part of their relationship, but I don't envy the statistics stacked against a relationship like theirs, I don't envy them having to live in fear of being run slam over by the karma bus everyday of their lives, I don't envy everyone knowing she is "the woman H left his wife for" and H being the guy who "had an affair with a young employee of his and left his wife and kids for her". 

I guess when you think about it and really look at the big picture, the H's and OW's have so much more to be envious of LBS's for!  And I surely don't envy the fear and jealousy OW lives with in regards to the W...and we all know deep down the OW's feel that way!
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#28: March 16, 2012, 09:12:26 PM
Agreed here that we were "that couple" that were so strong and loving that everyone wanted to be like.  Of course little did I know that wifey's ugly childhood would rear its ugly head to bite me in the a$$.  I too have couple envy, call it the supermarket but mostly Wal-Mart.  Someone once said that the house might look great on the outside, but once inside it can be a freakin wreck.  We didn't have many arguments.  I loved when we went to the store together that my wife would ask me to touch her.  Caress her neck and shoulders as we walked along the aisles fulfilling the needs of the family.  I was wanted, I was needed.  Now, it is all different.  I look at the older couples also and wonder, wow, how did you make it so far along.  I get e-mails from a guy at church who has been married for many years and wonder how was he so blessed.  How in the world have I been so gifted to have been with 2 broken women (this is my 2nd marriage) who have not known the treasure they have in me.  Crazy!
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#29: March 18, 2012, 12:18:51 AM
Ok, ok...tonight I did have couple envy at Home Depot.

But I'm ok. I'm O-K.
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