[Albatross]

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SEPARATION
1. Difficulty of adaptation. Little progression of libido.
2. Regression of energy (depression, lack of disposable energy). - FOG !
THERE IS PERSONA DIVIDED FROM EGO - DISSOLUTION OF PERSONA - EGO / PERSONA SEPARATED

BEGINNING OF POSSIBLE INDIVIDUATION

LIMINALITY - POSSIBLE ESCAPE AND AVOID

3. Activation of unconscious contents (fantasies, complexes,
archetypal images, inferior function, opposite attitude,
shadow, anima/animus, etc.). Compensation. - POSSIBLE REPLAY !  - MERGER WITH SHADOW BEGINS

4. Symptoms of neurosis (confusion, fear, anxiety, guilt, moods, extreme affect, etc.). - DEEPER FOG !

5. Unconscious or half-conscious conflict between ego and contents activated in the unconscious.
Inner tension. Defensive reactions.

6. Activation of the transcendent function, involving the self and archetypal patterns of wholeness.

7. Formation of symbols (numinosity, synchronicity).

8. Transfer of energy between unconscious contents and consciousness. Enlargement of the ego,
progression of energy. POSSIBLE ACTING OUT - HIGH ENERGY REPLAY - BOMB DROP !

9. Assimilation of unconscious contents.

INDIVIDUATION CONTINUES - HAVE FURTHER STAGES

I have more time for syntheses this, will be hopefully soon.

[Albatross]

Dissolution of the Persona
- Firstly, one has to become aware of the Persona.
- Secondly, one must dissolve the Persona.

Dissolution of the Persona is a key transition in our development, and thus requires us to ‘separate’ from those qualities of the Persona that we worked so hard to develop and ‘mistook’ to be the qualities of our ‘self’.  Dissolution of the Persona is not only about being able to take off the mask, but more importantly, being able to hang up the mask, while having the ability to put one on when necessary (i.e. social necessity) - though entirely at one’s own bidding. 

At end of SEPARATION phase MLCer have separated ego and persona. Trough process of separation he become aware of persona as part of ego and it is a way different of ego. So, MLCer knows that their persona does not work anymore they decide to kill it. Bold text up said that. They still use it, but they know inside self that is MASK not persona for them anymore. They probably hate own persona. Sure they should rebuild it as better one, but they haven't clue how should look like.

Like transforming an oil painting to a mirror.  Differentiating one’s own consciousness from the previous personal identities (Persona) creates a conscious wherein new objects of consciousness are no longer subject to subconscious projections and therefore this new found objectivity saves the subject from being at the mercy of the reactive mechanism.

Reactive mechanism = unconscious automation of the Persona.
For instance, if there is a spider on your shoulder, and you don’t know it, it has no effect on you.
But once you’re
(1) conscious of it your mind instantaneously experiences:
 2) perception
 3) sensation
 4) reaction.

That means You don't react as You did before, automatically.

Upon dissolution of the Persona, one now becomes an entirely different ‘being’.  A being free to express one’s self without the shackles of the unconscious automation of the Persona.  This period is marked by an unfamiliar silence.  The volume of the voices becomes silent, but what one loses in identity, one gains in personal insight.  This silence in the mind is ‘deafening’ so to speak, and one feels awake.  The occurrence is somewhat similar to the initial experience of having your ears pop after they’ve been plugged for some time and you had no idea.

So, MLCer after dissolution of persona give up from own identity. He is nobody. He is cocoon. He does not know who is he, yet. He just pretend with mask (old persona). Covert depression. Separation phase, also somehow means disconnecting from everyone, the world. MLCer does not work anymore. His identity is not what he really is, but he does not know who he is. Scary ? Sure. He turn inward to find out who he really is.

TIP: You probably notice that Your MLCer not react on similar happening as he did before. They are changed, no automation as before, they respond instead react from ego, not persona.

Why MLCers feel EMPTY ? Because their persona was TICK and rest of ego deflated. So, releasing bigger part of own ego as worthless is some kind of suicide. Such kind of people strongly identify with persona = like whole Self, which is not true. So, he experience somehow as own death, emptiness. He have now tick persona which is worthless and deflated weak rest of ego. Imagine that ? Also usually with tick persona goes bigger distance between persona and rest of ego in therm of thinking. ie one thinks that he is persona, ego interface to the world.

[Albatross]

Why MLCers feel EMPTY ? Because their persona was TICK and rest of ego deflated. So, releasing bigger part of own ego as worthless is some kind of suicide. Such kind of people strongly identify with persona = like whole Self, which is not true. So, he experience somehow as own death, emptiness. He have now tick persona which is worthless and deflated weak rest of ego. Imagine that ? Also usually with tick persona goes bigger distance between persona and rest of ego in therm of thinking. ie one thinks that he is persona, ego interface to the world.

One thinks that he is Self = Ego. Persona is tick, greater then rest of Ego. People who have small differences persona - rest of Ego and they are aware of Shadow and living in balance Shadow - Light, ie. Ego - Subconsciousness they are fully realized people. They show feelings, they are genuine, unique, appear to others more alive, spontaneous, assertive even charismatic. In other hand people who have low self esteem, conflict avoiders, people who does not express feelings, co-dependent and so on, have big difference between Persona and rest of Ego. So, we can talk about true self = Rest of Ego and false self = Persona. So, they actually live double life, showing trough Persona false self. And they aren't happy about self, they avoid confrontations because of fear of abandoning or other issues, means they have all the time negative feelings which then goes to the Shadow. Suppressing bad emotions, on that way build up negative energy in Shadow.
So, You have total imbalance, big Shadow, weak rest of the Ego depleted - tiny, false tick Persona. Such people identify Self with rest of Ego. Painful ? Yes. They have a lot repressed bad feelings, bad memories.

That can operate when You are younger, You have more life energy (psychic energy - Libido), also Shadow is lower in beginnings, but in time Shadow build up. And after dissolution of persona bigger part of Ego died, one lost identity, feel empty. They do not know who they are anymore. They believe that they are Ego minus Persona. That is small depleted, weak. Very scary. It is like You have two conciseness, two very different conciseness people in one. After dissolution of persona, remain weak one with low self esteem, pathetic one, scared one.

From one side You have big Shadow and form another side phoney Persona = Mask. Tiny weak rest of Ego is in the middle and one believe that part is HE. He is between hammer and anvil...

[CallanG]

Thanks Albertross , just attaching to your thread .

Callan

[toughtimes]

Me too.

My h has really settled down and is 18 months post bd. is this normal replay behaviour? He is successful in work and keeps up regular contact with the kids. He is pursuing legal action and lives with alienator and they are supposedly planning to move to a bigger flat where the children will have their own room when they visit. Is this typical replay behaviour? Seems a bit normal to me!!!

I'm reading along avidly. Thank you albatross.

[PatienceGalore]

Attaching too.
Toughtimes, I am doing the same as you, I have doubted this MLC for too long and have now finally admitted it is that, after Albatross, Stayed, SongAndDance and many others have pointed it out to me over and over again, based on what I post. My h is doing the same, totally normal, functioning perfectly well, very calm, happy, assured of what he is doing, in contact with the children. OW? Don't know where that's at, at the moment.
I was the biggest doubter and now, I read and read and read, REPLAY and the articles. And more and more makes sense. It's just impossibly hard when it feels like a normal breakup, doesn't it?.
Possibly with detachment well and truly in place, one can see the MLC behaviour more clearly, as when (as I have been) you are totally consumed and engulfed by it and cannot make sense of it, your rational brain is kicking against the impossible and you cannot see, or cannot believe it is that and happening to you. I am accepting now! I've had enough proof sent my way. Now I am finally able to sit back and watch. And curious as to what will happen next. Not trying to preach, I assure you, this is the biggest messed up LBS writing!

[Dreamer]

Patience, I have also noticed my h more calm, and seems happy. Still trying to tell everyone ow is a wonderful person. BD will be the end of next month. So what happens next?

[panda]

Attaching for updates. 

[31andcounting]

Just latching on
31andcounting

[PatienceGalore]

Patience, I have also noticed my h more calm, and seems happy. Still trying to tell everyone ow is a wonderful person. BD will be the end of next month. So what happens next?

No one knows, unfortunately! I don't know what my H will do, but I have changed how I interact with him, so by default that should bring a change how he acts with me....I am a pursuer by nature he is a distance, so now I've stopped pursuing (only recently mind you) I am stepping back and observing. So far, nothing, except the look of shame on his face on Saturday. I am very curious, but I have to wait longer I think!