[Snowdrop]

My H is a total different kettle of fish.  He has no emotions for anything, not even his kids.  You are right, he will have them for OW, and enough to light the southern hemisphere, I'm sure.

[Albatross]

They are so preoccupied by self that they wont put any energy into their OLD life. They kill old self, they kill old life. All people from old life are burden for them. They try to live fantasy world in real world. Like ferry tale. That is pure projection of their own fantasy to reality. Their emotions are pointed only in that way. That is the reason why they look to us as dead, empty with shark eyes, living deaths, zombies. They live in other time / space then we do. It is quite interesting that their space / time is only their and all others from reality are only actors who are willing to play they twisted fantasy. Sure for that those actors have to be unusual people, lost in time - reality otherwise they wont participate. They use old personality as mask to defend own fantasy world. We just annoying them. The whole world for them is own head they are masters of scene, they play actually some kind of game. They CONTROL that world, if they don't like what is in it they move on next willing participant who wanna play their twisted game. They are aware that is something wrong with them.

When they showing overt depression in replay ? When are bored in their own fantasy world, alienator wanna out. So they usually have more actors in spare, so they go on another... And so on... Period when they haven't willing alienator on disposal they are overtly depressed to us.

And when REPLAY stop ? IMO stop when they become tired of playing own game, means become bored playing it, no getting any satisfaction from it.

[PatienceGalore]

If alienator willing to be with them, then it can be years. Do they themselves want out even if alienator doesn't want to?

[sobeit]

Jumping in....
I am in the same  place. No concerns about our sons.
No concern about providing, but gets angry if asked if he has a job yet.
Happy or so it appears, with ow.
Totally blind to the destruction.

[Albatross]

If alienator willing to be with them, then it can be years. Do they themselves want out even if alienator doesn't want to?

Of course. MLCer in time realize that alienator not fit to his/hers own projection, nobody can fit in that because nobody can read other people minds and act in any situation on exact way how imagination of MLCer desire. Means MLCer stay in relationship until infatuation vanish, hormones, chemicals or even faster in case that MLCer do not get enough back own projections from alienator. And then no matter of infatuation he will try to seek another one alienator and so on until he/she eventually awake from his fantasy world.

Also is known that two people can get together in 6 months, if they do not make that relationship works, dynamics of relationship change and relationship die.

[toughtimes]

Albatross just wondering if you could clarify or expand on this:

Also is known that two people can get together in 6 months, if they do not make that relationship works, dynamics of relationship change and relationship die.

Not sure I quite understand. Thank you TT x

[CallanG]

My H is trying to wipe out his old life , well when I say that people who were really close to him ie Me and his Family , he seems very angry with his parents and is at the moment trying to blckmail his Sister into meeting OW , its kind of you wont see me if you dont ant to meet OW.

He is punishing them because they dont agree with him , does anyone else see this in there MLC'r

Callan

[Albatross]

Albatross just wondering if you could clarify or expand on this:

Also is known that two people can get together in 6 months, if they do not make that relationship works, dynamics of relationship change and relationship die.

Not sure I quite understand. Thank you TT x

When two people met online, FB is great playground to seek old flames, then MLCer try to make web for him/her and in time try to establish EA. Can exists on that only no PA. And EA if not materialized can't exists more then 6 months, relationship dynamics change, one of them is not satisfied with progress and falling down of relationship start. Or if OM/OW not respond properly never will develop even EA. Also iis OM/OW is MLC then they have own fantasy world, or OM/OW have some PD there You go again...

My H is trying to wipe out his old life , well when I say that people who were really close to him ie Me and his Family , he seems very angry with his parents and is at the moment trying to blckmail his Sister into meeting OW , its kind of you wont see me if you dont ant to meet OW.
He is punishing them because they dont agree with him , does anyone else see this in there MLC'r

Callan

Mine keep secretive own MLC, so I do not experience that. But she almost completely disconnected from all friends, acquittances  when interact with them wearing mask. She have girlfriend from teenage age who did not contact 20 years, but she dig up her when she hit MLC. That GF now  become her best friend because she is in MLC to, I have proofs for that. So, MLCers in MLC make new friends which does not know him before MLC and surround with people who support their pathology. So, it is quite normal that Your spouse is angry on anybody who not support them in their twisted acting out.

[Lovebystanding]

"My H is trying to wipe out his old life , well when I say that people who were really close to him ie Me and his Family , he seems very angry with his parents and is at the moment trying to blckmail his Sister into meeting OW , its kind of you wont see me if you dont ant to meet OW.
He is punishing them because they dont agree with him , does anyone else see this in there MLC'r "

My H too is blackmailing my D24 and SIL.
He told SIL that if he starts a family with OW she wont be a part of his life.
SIL said so be it....I refuse to accept OW. H has also withheld the yearly cash gift for D24 given to all the grandchildren because she refuses to accept OW.
So what does one do?

[CallanG]

Thanks Albatross that makes a lot of sense . I think he has underestimated his Sister, he thinks she is still the baby of the Family when in fact she is very a very accomplised woman with her own mind .

Callan